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jeepster09
01-01-2014, 12:03 PM
Not sure on validity of this got from another forum:

Judge upholds most of NY gun law, strikes down seven-bullet limit
Tuesday December 31, 2013 7:16 PM By Michael Gormley
ALBANY -- A federal court on Tuesday upheld most of New York's SAFE Act gun control measure adopted nearly a year ago, but struck down a key provision that limited ammunition magazines to seven bullets.
Chief U.S. District Judge William Sketny in Buffalo agreed with gun owner groups including the State Rifle & Pistol Association that the magazine provision in Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo's law was arbitrary and flawed. Cuomo said it was aimed at curbing assault weapons and gun violence.
Sketny said the provision was "largely an arbitrary restriction that impermissibly infringes on the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment."
He said the state's argument for the need for a seven-bullet limit is "tenuous, strained, and unsupported in the record," according to Tuesday's decision.
Sketny echoed the argument of gun owners who said the SAFE Act unfairly targets legal owners. "It stretches the bounds of this court's deference to the predictive judgments of the legislature to suppose that those intent on doing harm . . . will load their weapon with only the permitted seven rounds," he said.
"In this sense, the provision is not 'substantially related' to the important government interest in public safety and crime prevention," the judge stated.
"Our Constitution is designed to maximize individual freedoms within a frame work for ordered liberty," the judge concluded. "The Supreme Court found that the right to 'keep and bear arms,' enshrined in the Second Amendment, was among those individual freedoms. But the Court also noted that the right was not unlimited."
The bill -- which mandates that all gun sales be done through licensed dealers and requires background checks of ammunition buyers -- made New York the first state to check ammunition purchases in "real time."
The NY2A Grassroots Coalition, a gun owners group, plans to appeal.
The group's spokesman, Jake Palmateer, said, "We will bring the fight against the SAFE Act to Albany next Wednesday as we protest the governor's State of the State Address. We will continue to prepare for the 2014 election cycle."
The state and the gun groups could appeal to a higher court.
A spokesman for Cuomo and the Rifle & Pistol Association didn't immediately respond to request for comment.
The law was adopted in January a month after the Sandy Hook school shootings in Newtown, Conn. Opponents ridiculed the law, saying seven-bullet magazines weren't widely manufactured.
Weeks later, Cuomo and the Legislature amended the law so that it no longer prohibited magazines that could hold more than seven bullets. But it was still illegal to carry more than seven bullets in larger magazines more commonly made to hold 10 bullets.
Cuomo argued no one needs more than seven bullets to legally use a gun for hunting or target shooting outside of competitions.He said the provision was intended to limit the number of rounds a shooter in a crime could expend before reloading, which could provide an opportunity to stop a tragedy.

Bottom line.....you get the government you vote for! :86:

JohnR
01-01-2014, 12:09 PM
That's a good start!

garyb
01-01-2014, 12:44 PM
I can't wait to hear if this ruling is true or not. We always had a 10 rd mag capacity law. No one was complaining about it. We've managed to live with it here. But when Cuomo limited mag capacity to 7 (in the dark of the night) it raised a ruckus here. It did not really affected me because my CCW is a PM40. But it did affect a lot of people. Many comply. Many don't. However, it will be nice to carry both of my M&P's 10 rd mags to capacity again. The ruling will also be nice to set Cuomo back in his seat too.

jeepster09
01-01-2014, 02:37 PM
Most likely changed due to law enforcement objection....they were not excluded from stupidity.

Bawanna
01-01-2014, 04:47 PM
It's like everything else. If something sucks (10 rd mag limit) long enough, people get used to it and accept it as the norm.

Gas is a good analogy. When I worked at a gas station in High School our regular was 28cents a gallon and premium was 32 and people would burn rubber out of there because my tight wad money grubbing boss was the highest price in town.

Enter a gas shortage with full tankers all over the world and the price goes up to a buck and people come back happy to get it, this when there were 8 gallon limits. They liked that result so well they did another gas shortage and other drama and today we pay 3-4 bucks a gallon and hardly any complaint.

Today 10 rd limits, we'll try for 7 and if that works we'll ban loaded guns all together.

garyb
01-01-2014, 04:47 PM
Most likely changed due to law enforcement objection....they were not excluded from stupidity.

Yes, there were very early issues about LE not being excluded from Cuomo's stupidity. I understand that they amended the act very quickly to allow LE to carry to capacity...but that was some time back. Many LE did not support the act and quietly refuse to enforce it...based on info from LE's I associate with. Hopefully the act will be soon be amended to allow citizens to carry to capacity (10 rds) again. I expect more details will be forthcoming if the OP thread proves true. Let's hope so.

getsome
01-02-2014, 02:25 PM
This looks to be true....here is the article from the Jan 1 Atlanta Journal:

Albany, N.Y. - A Federal judge Tuesday upheld most of New York's new gun control law, rejecting arguments that it's ban on large capacity magazines and the sale of some semi-automatic rifles violate Second Amendment Rights...

Judge William Skretny in Buffalo concluded those provisions are constitutional because they're related to achieving an "Important Governmental Interest" in public safety...Those two features make guns more lethal he wrote, citing testimony submitted in the case...

The law applies only to a subset of firearms with characteristics New York State has determined to be particulary dangerous and unnecessary for self defense...It does not totally disarm New York's citizens and it does not meaningfully jeopardize their right to self defense...

Skretny upheld the ban on magazines that hold more than 10 bullets but he struck down a restriction on gun owners loading more than 7 bullets in legal 10 round magazines...
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The only thing that changed is that you can load up all 10 now so thats a good thing but what bothers me about what Skretny said is the part about The Important Government Interest in Public Safety...Does this mean that if the Gov decides that you might be walking around with a pair of scissors in your hand they can kick down the door and make you safe again all because of their Interest in Public Safety???

This "Bill of Rights" thing is a slippery slope and if they start saying you can have the rights so long as the Gov can intervene and control what you can and can not do because of their "Interest in Public Safety" then we are in big trouble because as we saw during the Boston Bombing Police searches just where your rights go when Big Gov decides differently...

What this ruling shows is the power that Federal Judges have in ruling whats Constitutional and what isn't...This is what makes Harry Reid's "Nuclear Option" last fall so dangerous because it allows the Democrats to appoint Federal Judges that will tow the party line without question all without the possibility of filibuster from the Republicans...

Oh and good luck New York City with your new Communist Mayor Bill De Blasio who's going to make Bloomberg look like Ronald Reagan in comparison.......

JohnR
01-02-2014, 03:35 PM
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gunsmoke48
01-02-2014, 09:43 PM
That's a good start!
what do you mean a good start for who

JohnR
01-03-2014, 08:41 AM
A good start in pushing back the tyranny.

muggsy
01-03-2014, 05:30 PM
Moaon aabe.

ltxi
01-03-2014, 09:03 PM
I've never much cared for 10 round mags anyway. Stick too far out the butt of my 1911s

And if you need more than five rounds you shouldn't be ta carryin' a J frame in the first place.

garyb
01-04-2014, 09:11 AM
This looks to be true....here is the article from the Jan 1 Atlanta Journal:

Albany, N.Y. - A Federal judge Tuesday upheld most of New York's new gun control law, rejecting arguments that it's ban on large capacity magazines and the sale of some semi-automatic rifles violate Second Amendment Rights...

Judge William Skretny in Buffalo concluded those provisions are constitutional because they're related to achieving an "Important Governmental Interest" in public safety...Those two features make guns more lethal he wrote, citing testimony submitted in the case...

The law applies only to a subset of firearms with characteristics New York State has determined to be particulary dangerous and unnecessary for self defense...It does not totally disarm New York's citizens and it does not meaningfully jeopardize their right to self defense...

Skretny upheld the ban on magazines that hold more than 10 bullets but he struck down a restriction on gun owners loading more than 7 bullets in legal 10 round magazines...
********************************************

The only thing that changed is that you can load up all 10 now so thats a good thing but what bothers me about what Skretny said is the part about The Important Government Interest in Public Safety...Does this mean that if the Gov decides that you might be walking around with a pair of scissors in your hand they can kick down the door and make you safe again all because of their Interest in Public Safety???

This "Bill of Rights" thing is a slippery slope and if they start saying you can have the rights so long as the Gov can intervene and control what you can and can not do because of their "Interest in Public Safety" then we are in big trouble because as we saw during the Boston Bombing Police searches just where your rights go when Big Gov decides differently...

What this ruling shows is the power that Federal Judges have in ruling whats Constitutional and what isn't...This is what makes Harry Reid's "Nuclear Option" last fall so dangerous because it allows the Democrats to appoint Federal Judges that will tow the party line without question all without the possibility of filibuster from the Republicans...

Oh and good luck New York City with your new Communist Mayor Bill De Blasio who's going to make Bloomberg look like Ronald Reagan in comparison.......


Yep. Confirmed this morning through my LEO buds. It is true. We can carry our 10rd mags to capacity again. Horray! Partial victory. I also hear the ammo regs got shot down too.

knkali
01-05-2014, 11:15 AM
Muggs was right again...the system has the capacity to self correct.

DKD
01-06-2014, 03:54 PM
Yea OK I agree with the comment one small step in the right direction, however we have a very long way to go to correct the tyranny, the elitist's and the brain damaged asses in Washington DC.
You know the more I study history the more I better understand the South's cause.
Now here is a novel idea....why don't we give them the eight blue states that they won and take the other 42 states for ourselves and get back to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights....to quote Old Jocko...just sayin!