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downtownv
01-02-2014, 06:07 PM
Judge Upholds UnConstitutional Searches Within 100 Miles Of Borders

January 2, 2014 by Sam Rolley
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See the Map Here!
http://personalliberty.com/2014/01/02/judge-upholds-unconstitutional-searches-within-100-miles-of-borders/

This week, U.S. District Judge Edward Korman in New York upheld an Obama Administration policy that allows the Federal government to deny 4th Amendment protections within 100 miles inland from the Nation’s border.
Ruling on a nearly 3-year-old challenge brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, Korman said that the so-called “border exemption” that allows officials to search individuals near the border without reasonable suspicion should continue to include searches of electronic devices and computers.
Saying that it would be “foolish, if not irresponsible” to have anything on a device that a person wouldn’t want seen by officials near the border, Korman ruled: “Laptops have only come into widespread use in the twenty-first century. Prior to that time, lawyers, photographers, and scholars managed to travel overseas and consult with clients, take photographs, and conduct scholarly research. No one ever suggested the possibility of a border search had a chilling effect on his or her First Amendment rights. While it is true that laptops may make overseas work more convenient, the precautions plaintiffs may choose to take to ‘mitigate’ the alleged harm associated with the remote possibility of a border search are simply among the many inconveniences associated with international travel.”
While the judge focused on the implications of the searches for people traveling back and forth across the border, the invasive and unConstitutional searches will actually be permitted a full 100 miles into U.S. territory.
The ACLU illustrates the so-called “Constitution Free” zone in the map below:
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The civil liberties organization says it is mulling an appeal to Korman’s ruling.
“We’re disappointed in today’s decision, which allows the government to conduct intrusive searches of Americans’ laptops and other electronics at the border without any suspicion that those devices contain evidence of wrongdoing,” said Catherine Crump, the American Civil Liberties Union attorney who argued part of the case. “Suspicionless searches of devices containing vast amounts of personal information cannot meet the standard set by the Fourth Amendment, which prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. Unfortunately, these searches are part of a broader pattern of aggressive government surveillance that collects information on too many innocent people, under lax standards, and without adequate oversight.”

turn signal
01-02-2014, 06:16 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6Y-NXZmDcxU/S3mVu5GTFnI/AAAAAAAAJFk/PKoTQjSNbG8/s400/police+state.jpg

ltxi
01-02-2014, 06:17 PM
long as they ain't gonna be botherin' us middle to upper class white folk, who cares?

downtownv
01-02-2014, 06:25 PM
long as they ain't gonna be botherin' us middle to upper class white folk, who cares?
Hope ur right.....

ltxi
01-02-2014, 07:46 PM
Hope ur right.....

'Course I'm right...

Now if "they" were to get in "our" face, I'm up for the Col's favorite solution.

Ol'coot
01-02-2014, 08:03 PM
long as they ain't gonna be botherin' us middle to upper class white folk, who cares?


I care, and in my opinion if not challenged the next step will be to expanded the zone to include any area that Homeland Security deems necessary for "OUR SAFETY".
It is wrong, it violates your constitutional rights and I personally do not want to give up any right for so called security or safety. You will care too, if you the one being searched, your laptop, tablet, or smartphone or care is taken and searched with any warrant or probable cause other than you were in the ZONE!

muggsy
01-02-2014, 09:58 PM
Aw, yer just an ol' coot, ol' coot.

bob98366
01-03-2014, 01:24 AM
1984 is sadly already here and the Constitution continues to be shredded.

getsome
01-03-2014, 02:41 PM
We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion, the stage where the Government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission, which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force...

Ayn Rand

knkali
01-04-2014, 07:27 PM
I care, and in my opinion if not challenged the next step will be to expanded the zone to include any area that Homeland Security deems necessary for "OUR SAFETY".
It is wrong, it violates your constitutional rights and I personally do not want to give up any right for so called security or safety. You will care too, if you the one being searched, your laptop, tablet, or smartphone or care is taken and searched with any warrant or probable cause other than you were in the ZONE!

Fukkn A

codegeek
01-04-2014, 08:54 PM
Just another example of why the Federal government should not be deciding if the Federal government violates the Constitution.

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ltxi
01-04-2014, 09:02 PM
Quoting Ayn Rand wrt anything today is beyond silly. She was a complete idiot 50 years ago and hasn't improved with death nor age.

Being pre-Soviet Russian born and raised gives at least her a somewhat reasonable excuse for adopting her views.....

bob98366
01-04-2014, 11:56 PM
Quoting Ayn Rand wrt anything today is beyond silly. She was a complete idiot 50 years ago and hasn't improved with death nor age.

Being pre-Soviet Russian born and raised gives at least her a somewhat reasonable excuse for adopting her views.....

??? Ad hominem attacks don't address a statement's merit or lack thereof.

There are lots of examples of federal, state and local governments doing as they please and individuals not able to effectively fight back, making Rand's statement relevant. And to paraphrase another dead person (Santayana): those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

yqtszhj
01-05-2014, 09:37 AM
This map isn't just within 100 miles of the border where they can "profile" mexicans and middle-easterners, it's within 100 miles of the coast. Next it will be within 100 miles of any international airport. This has reached deep into the country from the coast where they have no business and puts them on my back door and I live 850 miles from Canada and 950 Miles from Mexico.

I'm moving to Wyoming. Itxi you're safe good for now till those Colorado legislators figure out where you are :)

ltxi
01-05-2014, 06:30 PM
This map isn't just within 100 miles of the border where they can "profile" mexicans and middle-easterners, it's within 100 miles of the coast. Next it will be within 100 miles of any international airport. This has reached deep into the country from the coast where they have no business and puts them on my back door and I live 850 miles from Canada and 950 Miles from Mexico.

I'm moving to Wyoming. Itxi you're safe good for now till those Colorado legislators figure out where you are :)

We be workin' on fixin' them bastids. I'm stayin' here for the fight. If that eventually don't work out, well....I ain't here 'cause I economically need to be and Wyoming's only a couple hours north.

ltxi
01-05-2014, 06:39 PM
??? Ad hominem attacks don't address a statement's merit or lack thereof.

There are lots of examples of federal, state and local governments doing as they please and individuals not able to effectively fight back, making Rand's statement relevant. And to paraphrase another dead person (Santayana): those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Rejecting your characterization, I see Ms. Rand's background and history as relevant when judging her statements and views. In simple terms it's called consider the source...in toto.

yqtszhj
01-05-2014, 06:40 PM
... and Wyoming's only a couple hours north.

If you don't get them straight in Denver and the searchers keep moving up my direction from the coast I'll meet you there. ;)

bob98366
01-05-2014, 07:24 PM
Rejecting your characterization, I see Ms. Rand's background and history as relevant when judging her statements and views. In simple terms it's called consider the source...in toto.

Reject as you wish. But that does not negate that her statement in question was well conceived and appropriate, regardless of any subjective judgments that you may have about her.

I've no desire to keep this subthread going and would like to end it, agreeing to disagree about whether or not ideas are independent from the person who stated them. We certainly can agree that Kahrs are fine concealed pistols.

ltxi
01-06-2014, 05:49 PM
Reject as you wish. But that does not negate that her statement in question was well conceived and appropriate, regardless of any subjective judgments that you may have about her.

I've no desire to keep this subthread going and would like to end it, agreeing to disagree about whether or not ideas are independent from the person who stated them. We certainly can agree that Kahrs are fine concealed pistols.

No, we can't....Kahrs suck. :behindsofa:

TheTman
01-06-2014, 06:18 PM
It burns my butt when these (mostly) unelected judges make new laws with their rulings. It's only going to get worse with all the libtards Obumer has appointed.