Popular??????????

[berettabone]

Seems that after being here on this forum for a while now, and using posts as a gauge.............the MK model seems to be the least favorite among the Kahr crowd(owners). Although I haven't had the opportunity to shoot all the Kahr models, I have been able to partake of the PM9, the CM9, and the MK40. I prefer my MK9............I'll leave .40 cal. to my full size firearms, a bit much for the small Kahr. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll get a chance to shoot a different model, but for now, I prefer my MK9. It's the perfect example of a weight to cal. ratio, very easy to handle. More accurate than I expected. What say people? ;)

[JohnR]

I'm guessing the MK9 is one of the lest tried models. It's my 2nd favorite Kahr after my K9.

[b4uqzme]

I like 'em (MK9). A lot! I too prefer the .40 in the K model. Those 2 are a tie for me.

[CJB]

the MK series is a great one, but the PM and CM are slightly less expensive and more popular for their light weight.

think of it this way: would you buy a Glock that had a steel frame and weighed 40 percent more, and cost 25 percent more?

[b4uqzme]

the MK series is a great one, but the PM and CM are slightly less expensive and more popular for their light weight.

think of it this way: would you buy a Glock that had a steel frame and weighed 40 percent more, and cost 25 percent more?

Couldn't happen. That wouldn't be a Glock. Might be a great gun though.. ;)

[mr surveyor]

If I could have come up with the $800 asking price and driven the 80 miles to the nearest gun shop with an MK9 three years ago, I would have bought that instead of paying $475 for a CW9 (then another $140 including shipping cost to get the trij sights installed). My CW9 has been flawless and totally functional .... but it's still plastic. If I could trade the CW9 and a couple hundred bucks to get an equal condition used and proven/reliable MK9, I'd be all over it. The few Kahr dealers we have locally carry nothing but the plastic fantastic, and generally just the C series.

[phil413tx]

I love my MK9! It is my favorite Kahr. I have owned it for two years and had to searched high and low to find one. I finally found a gun shop that would order one for me.

[CPO15]

Sold all my Kahrs except the MK9 and the P380. If they made the P380 in steel, I'd switch to it.

[nimdabew]

I may pick up a CM9 or a CW9 for lighter carry, but my MK9 is still my favorite pistol of the size. If you need to shoot something, you may as well do it with class and a nice set of wood grips.

[TucsonMTB]

Hey, I'm glad you guys are happy with your all steel Kahr pistols. Enjoy!

Although, plastic is not my favorite material for anything, I really like my PM40 pistols. So far as I can tell, nothing else matches their combination of small size and power. So, I accept the lighter plastic frame material, knowing that Kahr will replace them if you are unlucky to develop a frame crack, as I was.

If I had unlimited funds for my next pistol, would I buy an all steel Kahr?
Probably not.

Would I buy an all metal (aluminum, steel, and Titanium) pistol from another manufacturer or custom builder?
Maybe.

We pretty much already have as many 1911's as we need for fun range trips. But, there is one S&W J-frame revolver I would like to replace. It would also be good to have redundant revolvers, as we do with the two Kahr pocket pistols.

So, those of you looking for a really neat, all stainless Kahr can relax knowing there will be one less "old guy" out there shopping for the same thing. ;)

[berettabone]

If I could have come up with the $800 asking price and driven the 80 miles to the nearest gun shop with an MK9 three years ago, I would have bought that instead of paying $475 for a CW9 (then another $140 including shipping cost to get the trij sights installed). My CW9 has been flawless and totally functional .... but it's still plastic. If I could trade the CW9 and a couple hundred bucks to get an equal condition used and proven/reliable MK9, I'd be all over it. The few Kahr dealers we have locally carry nothing but the plastic fantastic, and generally just the C series.
Fortunately, I didn't have to pay that much for mine.;)

[berettabone]

the MK series is a great one, but the PM and CM are slightly less expensive and more popular for their light weight.

think of it this way: would you buy a Glock that had a steel frame and weighed 40 percent more, and cost 25 percent more?
Personally, I wouldn't buy a Glock if it was 14k gold for $5..............otherwise, yes, I would and have paid extra for the "leave the plastic at home". I like the weight of the firearm. Back on target faster, and less recoil. IMHO.;)

[Barth]

Kahrs were originally designed for concealed carry.
The lighter and less expensive polymer models are naturally more popular.
Seems like folks have a ceiling they're willing to pay for a handgun.
And the all stainless Kahrs are not inexpensive.

The only Kahr I have is a MK40 Elite.
And it's a keeper.

It is a bit of a handful with super sonic 40 S&W.
But sub sonic 180 gr Speer Short Barrel GDHPs are pure sweetness.

The all stainless Kahr owners are not great in numbers.
But we love our guns too.

[berettabone]

Kahrs were originally designed for concealed carry.
The lighter and less expensive polymer models are naturally more popular.
Seems like folks have a ceiling they're willing to pay for a handgun.
And the all stainless Kahrs are not inexpensive.

The only Kahr I have is a MK40 Elite.
And it's a keeper.

It is a bit of a handful with super sonic 40 S&W.
But sub sonic 180 gr Speer Short Barrel GDHPs are pure sweetness.

The all stainless Kahr owners are not great in numbers.
But we love our guns too.
Yes we do..........;)

[O'Dell]

I've had four CW's, two PM's and one MK. The MK40 is by far my favorite of them all.

[CJB]

Personally, I wouldn't buy a Glock if it was 14k gold for $5..............otherwise, yes, I would and have paid extra for the "leave the plastic at home". I like the weight of the firearm. Back on target faster, and less recoil. IMHO.;)

And personally, I would not own a Glock if they paid me to shoot it every day, and provided the ammo! I just do not like the Glock, for my own personal reasons.....mostly because the accidental shootings I've personally witnessed were mostly all Glock related!

Polymer or steel, bar far the Kahr is the best for concealed carry, bar none. You might take a Glock or S&W for duty use, and I'm sure they're fine at that, but for concealed carry, personal carry, and safe carry under the most extreme conditions.... Kahr takes the cake. Nothing better, and I've sold and handled and shot and carried just about all of 'em out there.

[Longitude Zero]

And personally, I would not own a Glock if they paid me to shoot it every day, and provided the ammo! I just do not like the Glock, for my own personal reasons.....mostly because the accidental shootings I've personally witnessed were mostly all Glock related!

Polymer or steel, bar far the Kahr is the best for concealed carry, bar none. You might take a Glock or S&W for duty use, and I'm sure they're fine at that, but for concealed carry, personal carry, and safe carry under the most extreme conditions.... Kahr takes the cake. Nothing better, and I've sold and handled and shot and carried just about all of 'em out there.


As good as they are a tuned and broken Kimber beats a Kahr by galactic margins.

[TucsonMTB]

As good as they are a tuned and broken Kimber beats a Kahr by galactic margins.
Yes! I could not agree more. But, this is so NOT a pocket gun. ;)

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[O'Dell]

As good as they are a tuned and broken Kimber beats a Kahr by galactic margins.

My UC II was the most troublesome 1911 I've ever owned until I replaced the junk magazine they shipped with it.

[ParabellumJ]

.....mostly because the accidental shootings I've personally witnessed were mostly all Glock related!




I'm curious how these accidental shooting were due to the firearm. Did the Glock pull it's own trigger?

[b4uqzme]

I've been thinking about this thread and, yes indeed, polymer Karhs are more popular. You can tell that from the number of threads posted in these polymer forums. However, popularity is not reflective of quality. I'm just glad Kahr gives us so many good choices while staying true to their focus on carry guns.

Yet I will always prefer steel. :)

[CJB]

I'm curious how these accidental shooting were due to the firearm. Did the Glock pull it's own trigger?

In two instances, yes. Both of those were firings upon slide closure. One had a round hit the floor, and a bystander was hurt either by bullet fragment, or more likely, ejecta from the impact on the concrete. The other happened in the front seat of a car in the range parking area, when the owner reloaded his Glock before driving home from the range. In both instances, the problem was reproducable, the Glocks were found to be defective, and I'm sure settlements were reached between the injured and Glock. Both injuries were not immediately life threatening, but the guy in the car did shoot his own left calf. The other guy got a piece of whatever in his calf too, but it was more bloody than serious.

There were two instnaces of the Glock case causing the issue, whereupon the Glock was put into its molded case loaded - disregarding the instructions that were clearly molded into the case and on a bright sticker inside the case. One was a cop who shot himself quite nearly in gonads, the other guy shot his middle finger off - but it was reattached somewhat shorter and mangled.

We had one ex cop who was somehow used to loading his Colt .45 auto and lowering the hammer on a round in the chamber for carry. That guy tried to lower the hammer on his Glock... oops no hammer and send a round flying across the range's sales counter.

To be fair, there were also two suicides, one more car shooting, and another self inflicted leg shooting, and another floor shooting (that was a 10mm oh boy!) none of which were Glock related.

Is the Glock unsafe? There are reports of some being so. Are they ok to carry? Sure, in a holster etc etc. Can they go off unexpectedly? Like the guy who carried one on his hip and had it go off via his seatbelt hardware in his vehicle? Stuff happens all the time.

Too many accidents with Glocks that I've seen, some were Glock's fault, some not. I wont own one, carry one, shoot one.

[CJB]

And no, Kimber cannot begin to enter Kahr's territory. Go argue Kimber's vast pinache on the Kimber forum.

To be fair, I own a Kimber. Its a Kimber of Oregon All American Match rifle. Test target has a nice one hole group shot at - 50 yards. Not bad to have a sub 1/2 MOA .22 LR rifle. Mine eats up Remington sub-sonics and puts em into nearly the same group size as that expensive Eley stuff.

[ParabellumJ]

In two instances, yes. Both of those were firings upon slide closure. One had a round hit the floor, and a bystander was hurt either by bullet fragment, or more likely, ejecta from the impact on the concrete. The other happened in the front seat of a car in the range parking area, when the owner reloaded his Glock before driving home from the range. In both instances, the problem was reproducable, the Glocks were found to be defective, and I'm sure settlements were reached between the injured and Glock. Both injuries were not immediately life threatening, but the guy in the car did shoot his own left calf. The other guy got a piece of whatever in his calf too, but it was more bloody than serious.



There were two instnaces of the Glock case causing the issue, whereupon the Glock was put into its molded case loaded - disregarding the instructions that were clearly molded into the case and on a bright sticker inside the case. One was a cop who shot himself quite nearly in gonads, the other guy shot his middle finger off - but it was reattached somewhat shorter and mangled.



We had one ex cop who was somehow used to loading his Colt .45 auto and lowering the hammer on a round in the chamber for carry. That guy tried to lower the hammer on his Glock... oops no hammer and send a round flying across the range's sales counter.



To be fair, there were also two suicides, one more car shooting, and another self inflicted leg shooting, and another floor shooting (that was a 10mm oh boy!) none of which were Glock related.



Is the Glock unsafe? There are reports of some being so. Are they ok to carry? Sure, in a holster etc etc. Can they go off unexpectedly? Like the guy who carried one on his hip and had it go off via his seatbelt hardware in his vehicle? Stuff happens all the time.



Too many accidents with Glocks that I've seen, some were Glock's fault, some not. I wont own one, carry one, shoot one.


The first two cases would seem to be the result of a product defect. Those other instances I would say were user induced.

I own Glocks, shoot Glocks, carry Glocks. I've never had an an issue. I believe them to be completely safe and I trust my life to them. YMMV.

[berettabone]

No such thing as "accident,"..............always "negligence."

[berettabone]

I've been thinking about this thread and, yes indeed, polymer Karhs are more popular. You can tell that from the number of threads posted in these polymer forums. However, popularity is not reflective of quality. I'm just glad Kahr gives us so many good choices while staying true to their focus on carry guns.

Yet I will always prefer steel. :)
Makes 2 of us..........even though some of my firearms are "technically" alloy.http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Longitude Zero]

No such thing as "accident,"..............always "negligence."


Absolutely!!!

[Flieger]

Relatively new to the world of Kahr, you would think that since the Glock and Kahr share much of the same technology with the obvious exception of the trigger, there would be a natural affinity for both. And now that Glock has their new slim, Kahr like model 42, they should love each other. But no way. Kahr and Glock are adversaries.

I find for both brands, you either love them, or despise them. Absolutely no ambiguity. I generally dislike all intenal strikers.

I myself have to feel a hammer to be happy and I have never liked the Glock. Mostly because it feels like crap in my hand.

Kahr is different because of the awful long draw DAO trigger (Glock lover quote).

But that's the rub. No way to mistakenly discharge a round with a Kahr unless you're a complete idiot.

With Kahr, I too am glad that they afford us the choice of steel or plastic. For me, it's steel and the .40. Even in our Kahr world, you're either a 9'er or 40man (40 person PC correct).

I only wish they offered a MK357 and K357. Now that would be a winner.

*The comments made in no way reflect the the attitude or position of this station* :)

[jocko]

The first two cases would seem to be the result of a product defect. Those other instances I would say were user induced.

I own Glocks, shoot Glocks, carry Glocks. I've never had an an issue. I believe them to be completely safe and I trust my life to them. YMMV.

have over 16 million glocks floating around the cuntry, ur gonna read more of thngs happening to them. Just pure numbers. Not all cops have brains either. Again most all are great qualified people burt when u get down into the small towns who hire any john doe off the street and strap a gun on him, then ur gonna see sh!t happen that would not happen otherwide. I blame the person behind the gun 99.995% f the time.

Glocks are sae, but they are not infallible eithger. Stuff floats out therie dorrs that shouldnever have left either, again the naute of thge beast. For meif there was gonna be a firefighgt in ol jockos.home. my G19 would be my primary gun FOR SURE. Just sayin:Amflag2:

[jeepster09]

I've had four CW's, two PM's and one MK. The MK40 is by far my favorite of them all.

MK40 also one of my favorites! :59:


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[CJB]

The first two cases would seem to be the result of a product defect. Those other instances I would say were user induced.

I own Glocks, shoot Glocks, carry Glocks. I've never had an an issue. I believe them to be completely safe and I trust my life to them. YMMV.

That is very astute of you. We experienced two cases of Suffolk syndrome, before Suffolk did, as the guns were first generation ones.

To each his own. You can shoot your Glock. Be happy with it! I can chase a liberal arts co-ed, and to tell you the truth, the Kahr packs easier.

[Barth]

That is very astute of you. We experienced two cases of Suffolk syndrome, before Suffolk did, as the guns were first generation ones.

To each his own. You can shoot your Glock. Be happy with it! I can chase a liberal arts co-ed, and to tell you the truth, the Kahr packs easier.

Ankle carry it's no contest MK40 all the way.
Also, in my hands, the factory Kahr is much more accurate.
But that's just me.

And I'm not even going to address felt recoil.
Glocks are good.
Kahrs are better.

You are on a Kahr forum you know - right?

[pinehtr]

A Friend of mine has a MK9 Elite .That thing is the finest weapon I have ever felt.
It is smooth as butter. Its like a fine jewel.

[JohnR]

A Friend of mine has a MK9 Elite .That thing is the finest weapon I have ever felt.
It is smooth as butter. Its like a fine jewel.

That was exactly my first impression. It shoots as good as it looks.

[Barth]

A Friend of mine has a MK9 Elite .That thing is the finest weapon I have ever felt.
It is smooth as butter. Its like a fine jewel.

The fit and finish of my MK40 Elite is nothing short of outstanding.
It's much like what I'd expect from a custom shop.

I'd like to own a high end 1911 some day.
Have held and dry fired an Ed Brown.
But for now, my MK Elite feels very much like it's part of that rare air.

The Elite guns may seem pricey to some.
But you really get what you pay for.

[cacacar]

If they made the P380 in steel, I'd switch to it.
Ditto.


I love the look and feel of my MK9, but I have to admit my wife's CM9 is easier to carry.

[Kyle]

The fit and finish of my MK40 Elite is nothing short of outstanding.
It's much like what I'd expect from a custom shop.

I'd like to own a high end 1911 some day.
Have held and dry fired an Ed Brown.
But for now, my MK Elite feels very much like it's part of that rare air.

The Elite guns may seem pricey to some.
But you really get what you pay for.

I agree totally!! They're hard to find used and if you do usually they cost about as much as a new one.

[b4uqzme]

Mine aren't elites but I'd never sell them....even for the price of new ones.

Some guns are " I bought it, I've shot it for awhile, and now maybe it's time to sell them and try something else."

In comparison steel Kahrs are keepers IMO. They are the guns I trust my life to. And I don't see that changing. I know they aren't as popular as the polymer models but I genuinely believe that, if anyone owned both, they would prefer the steel.

[Xcessive Carts]

My wife recently bought a cm9, after shooting it, i knew i had to get a Kahr. Found the mk9 Matte at Cheaper Than Dirt for $647, paid my FFL $25. This gun is worth every penny. It is now my favorite back pocket BU gun. The Sig p238 Nitron i used to carry in back pocket is now in retirement. Yes, her cm9 is lighter, but nothing beats the look of my mk9 Stainless.

[downtownv]

Clearly the economies of scale are a factor in the less popular mk9

[b4uqzme]

Clearly the economies of scale are a factor in the less popular mk9

Yeah, I guess weight does matter. Who'd a thunk?

[scotty_MK9]

I think poly pistols in general are much more popular then steel. I like them for ease of carry but most of my range guns or safe queens are all steel. I like steel pistols with wood grips, but thats just me.

Personally i own 3 poly kahrs and 1 mk9 and the mk9 is by far my fAv of the bunch.

[gunbunny]

I can agree with most of what Scotty MK9 is saying. Until recently, I never fired or even held a polymer Kahr before.

I have some K9's and a MK9, but preferred to shoot the K9 and carry the MK9. Now I'm really liking the CM9 for carry, since it is almost half the weight of the MK9.

Sorry guys, but I might have to trade the MK9 for another CM9 or K9. It kind of falls into a niche that I don't need anymore.

[berettabone]

I can agree with most of what Scotty MK9 is saying. Until recently, I never fired or even held a polymer Kahr before.

I have some K9's and a MK9, but preferred to shoot the K9 and carry the MK9. Now I'm really liking the CM9 for carry, since it is almost half the weight of the MK9.

Sorry guys, but I might have to trade the MK9 for another CM9 or K9. It kind of falls into a niche that I don't need anymore.
I am sure that someone here will take it off your hands..............http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[b4uqzme]

It kind of falls into a niche that I don't need anymore.

Need, schmeed! I think it's more about "want" than need. :amflag: