Murder by CCW.

[Captquest]

Rightfully charged with murder?
Sure looks like a bad shoot to me. This sort of thing doesn't help the CCW "image", not to mention LE.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/1/14/movie_theater_shooti.html


I don't think a popcorn assault would have me fearing for my life, but I wasn't there.
According to the affidavit, Oulson turned and threw a bag of popcorn at Reeves. And then, Reeves pulled a .380 handgun from his pants pocket and shot Oulson in the chest. Nicole Oulson put her hand in front of her husband's chest in an attempt to protect him, and the same bullet struck both of them.

[muggsy]

It's impossible to tell at this point. Considering his age and the age of the victim he may have grounds due to a disparity of force. If the dispute escalated to the point of violence initiated by the shooting victim then the shooting may be determined to be a reasonable response. I'm wondering why if the texting bothered him that he just didn't move to another seat in the theater. With the evidence presented it's not an easy call to make. None of us were there to see exactly what occurred.

[codegeek]

Rule #1: avoid confrontation
Rule #2: when possible, de-escalate.
Rule #3: don't be a dumb#&*!

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[WMac19]

As reported, it's murder. But you know how that goes.

Question I have is, although 71 isn't very old, was he still fully in control of all his faculties?

Aside from that, the case will have to play out.

[addictedhealer]

rule #1: Avoid confrontation
rule #2: When possible, de-escalate.
Rule #3: Don't be a dumb#&*!

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+10000000000000000000000000

[b4uqzme]

Rule #1: avoid confrontation
Rule #2: when possible, de-escalate.
Rule #3: don't be a dumb#&*!

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1) we don't know what really happened
2) follow codegeek's rules. They are wise.

[RRP]

Can we trust news media to have provided us with all the facts of this case?

I'm going to reserve judgement, until the investigation is complete.

[Longitude Zero]

It's impossible to tell at this point. Considering his age and the age of the victim he may have grounds due to a disparity of force. If the dispute escalated to the point of violence initiated by the shooting victim then the shooting may be determined to be a reasonable response. I'm wondering why if the texting bothered him that he just didn't move to another seat in the theater. With the evidence presented it's not an easy call to make. None of us were there to see exactly what occurred.


Agreed. Waiting to see more come out to flesh out the events.

[JohnR]

Yup, it sounds too wacky on the surface, we need more facts.

[muggsy]

Texting in a movie theater is rude. My bet is he won't do that again. :rolleyes:

[knkali]

wow just wow


I was going to go on a tirade about the degradation of common courtesy in the U.S, but the tragedy of this story really doesn't make this a good time.

[muggsy]

Rule #1: avoid confrontation
Rule #2: when possible, de-escalate.
Rule #3: don't be a dumb#&*!

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When possible. That's the key phrase.

[HAP1978]

I read this story yesterday. It is hard to know whether to trust the news reports on it or not since most of what they report is skewed anyway, will wait to find out more details.

This comment made me shake my head though. "Charles Cummings, a Vietnam veteran who was watching the movie at the time of the shooting, told MyFoxTampaBay.com. "I can't believe people would bring a gun to a movie."

Hey Charles Cummings, I ALWAYS take my pistol to a movie theater. You're an idiot if you don't. Movie theaters don't have good escapes routes so if someone comes in blazing, you might as well be shooting fish in a barrel.

[Bawanna]

I agree completely. I always have my guns at the movies. Why would anyone consider a movie theater a safe zone. There are no safe zones anymore anywhere.

Many attempts but no complete success's.

[dkmatthews]

I agree completely. I always have my guns at the movies. Why would anyone consider a movie theater a safe zone. There are no safe zones anymore anywhere.

Many attempts but no complete success's.

The safest place I've ever been was at the rifle range during a weekend of urban carbine training. There were 6-8 instructors and 25-30 students. Everyone had a AR or AK and at least one handgun.

[Bawanna]

Didn't think of that DK, your much wiser than I. That would be a safe zone in my feeble minded opinion.

[garyb]

I read this story yesterday. It is hard to know whether to trust the news reports on it or not since most of what they report is skewed anyway, will wait to find out more details.
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I feel this way about all news reporting (written or televised) these days. Too many special interests skewing reports. Don't know what is true nor how much the story got twisted.:confused: It requires a good filter to listen and read some of this stuff....especially when there is a report involving guns. JMO.

[SlowBurn]

Went through her hand, into his chest, and killed him. So much for whether a 380 can achieve adequate penetration.

[codegeek]

When possible. That's the key phrase.

So true. Every situation is unique.

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[booger switch]

It was reported that Reeves' .380 jammed after the first round was fired. I'm kind of curious about the brand of firearm used. Anyone know?

[knkali]

wow a 9mm kurtz really? Hmmm...interesting.

[muggsy]

The safest place I've ever been was at the rifle range during a weekend of urban carbine training. There were 6-8 instructors and 25-30 students. Everyone had a AR or AK and at least one handgun.

If you think that's safe you need to attend the NRA National Matches at Camp Perry. They look at you sideways there if you're not carrying a gun. :)

[dkmatthews]

If you think that's safe you need to attend the NRA National Matches at Camp Perry. They look at you sideways there if you're not carrying a gun. :)

I would love to, but I am not a good enough shot to qualify for Camp Perry!


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[muggsy]

Too, many in the media have an agenda today. They don't report the facts they write commentary. Too, many liberal judges with an agenda try to legislate from the bench. I can see no reason for this judge to deny the defendant bail. At 71 the defendant isn't much of a flight risk.

[booger switch]

Flight risk? Maybe, maybe not.

Public safety risk? I would say yes.

Arrest report:
http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/documents/2014/reevespascoarrestreport.pdf

[muggsy]

Flight risk? Maybe, maybe not.

Public safety risk? I would say yes.

Arrest report:
http://media2.abcactionnews.com/html/documents/2014/reevespascoarrestreport.pdf

I don't see him a public safety risk. He shot because he felt threatened. Do you know how I got to be an old man? By not fokking with any old men. The man served as a law enforcement officer for more than twenty years. An ankle bracelet would keep him at home. We're high tech today. You have to remember that the liberals in Florida don't like the fact that their citizens can carry. They tried to make an example of Zimmerman. Nuff said?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/15/man-charged-in-florida-movie-theater-shooting-over-texting-had-praiseworthy/

[muggsy]

I would love to, but I am not a good enough shot to qualify for Camp Perry!


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You don't have to qualify to watch and you can attend competitive shooting classes while you're there. C'mon in the water's fine. :)

[getsome]

This is such a strange story in the first place and unfortunately not very good for CCW folks like us...I don't see why with his backround as a Captain with a good record in the local PD that he should be denied bond but it depends on the Judge....Whether he gets out or not he's probably going to prison for 2nd degree murder because to any logical thinking person and even a CCW and 2nd amendment fan like myself his actions seem over the top and even if the other guy threw a bag of popcorn on him it didn't IMHO deserve lethal force....

Zimmerman getting his head pounded into the cement, stand your ground fits the situation but thinking a man was trying to kill him with a bag of popcorn aint going to cut it in court...

[booger switch]

He shot because he felt threatened.

You don't know that.

He was denied bail because they have a very strong case with a high probability of conviction. The man who disarmed Reeves was an off-duty sheriff's deputy who was sitting close to Reeves and witnessed the entire episode. There were plenty of other eyewitnesses to corroborate what happened. Reeves has apparently tried to intimidate other people in the same theater for cell phone use.

[SlowBurn]

The dec'd had no right to stand up from the row in front and hit the old man with anything, thrown popcorn or otherwise. There was no excuse for that. And regardless of the "stand your ground" law, retreating is not an option when you're seated and the aggressor is looming over you.

On the other hand, whether the old man "reasonably" believed he was in imminent deadly danger from the attack is an entirely different question. From this distance, reading just media reports and the arrest report, it seems like a bad shoot by an otherwise very good guy, but it may not be a slam dunk. It will be a jury question. The theater presumably was dark, he might not have known what he was being hit with, he is elderly and has health problems and had his wife with him worry about. If the jury is in any reasonable doubt about the defense they'll be instructed to resolve that doubt in favor of the accused.

Regardless, a salty snack should not be your weapon of choice in a gun fight, even with an old man.

[muggsy]

The dec'd had no right to stand up from the row in front and hit the old man with anything, thrown popcorn or otherwise. There was no excuse for that. And regardless of the "stand your ground" law, retreating is not an option when you're seated and the aggressor is looming over you.

On the other hand, whether the old man "reasonably" believed he was in imminent deadly danger from the attack is an entirely different question. From this distance, reading just media reports and the arrest report, it seems like a bad shoot by an otherwise very good guy, but it may not be a slam dunk. It will be a jury question. The theater presumably was dark, he might not have known what he was being hit with, he is elderly and has health problems and had his wife with him worry about. If the jury is in any reasonable doubt about the defense they'll be instructed to resolve that doubt in favor of the accused.

Regardless, a salty snack should not be your weapon of choice in a gun fight, even with an old man.

If I'm on the jury he walks. I hate obnoxious people on cell phones. Let this be a lesson to all of them. :)

[muggsy]

You don't know that.

He was denied bail because they have a very strong case with a high probability of conviction. The man who disarmed Reeves was an off-duty sheriff's deputy who was sitting close to Reeves and witnessed the entire episode. There were plenty of other eyewitnesses to corroborate what happened. Reeves has apparently tried to intimidate other people in the same theater for cell phone use.

I was just going by what the victim of the popcorn assault said. I wasn't aware that you could read his mind. You must be a regular Svengarlic, huh? Eye witnesses in a darkened movie theater? Sound like room for reasonable doubt to me. :)

[LD48750]

wow a 9mm kurtz really? Hmmm...interesting.

Nope... 9mm Kurz.

Deadly little round.

[SlowBurn]

Nope... 9mm Kurz.

Deadly little round.

U guys r cute

[booger switch]

I was just going by what the victim of the popcorn assault said. I wasn't aware that you could read his mind. You must be a regular Svengarlic, huh? Eye witnesses in a darkened movie theater? Sound like room for reasonable doubt to me. :)

I wasn't aware that anyone can read his mind.

By your logic, should we just take any claim made by a murder suspect as truth? The only person who knows why the shot was fired is the shooter himself. He can claim anything he wants, especially if it helps him in his upcoming criminal trial.

Or am I just being cynical?