NY Ammo Background Checks - Sucks

[garyb]

This sucks. What a waste of time and money. This initiative does not protect anyone. It only serves as an infringement on gun owners. As though FFL dealers are expected to participate for free....nonsense. They will charge us. Cuomo has his head up his.....



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As you know, the SAFE Act that was passed last year over my strenuous objection includes a background check on buyers of ammunition in New York. Because I have had a number of calls on this issue, I wanted to provide an update.

The law requires that the background checks on ammo buyers start on January 15, 2014, OR whenever the state police superintendent certifies that the relevant database is in place and operational.

Please note the following:

1) While ammunition sellers and retailers must register with the state by January 15, the database is not in place and is not operational. Ammunition background checks will not begin on January 15;

2) The SAFE Act does not authorize any fee for the ammo background check. I have received numerous calls about a supposed $10 fee for the ammo background check. The state police would need clear authority in the law to impose a fee, and there is none in the law. I believe that some are confused by the fee that dealers can charge when they perform NICS checks for someone involved in a private sale. If a retailer or big box store clerk is telling you that his company is going to charge you a $10 state fee for ammo background checks, ask to see the letter from the state police;

3) While the SAFE Act now prohibits free citizens from exercising their right to accept personal delivery of ammunition via the Internet, a vendor can ship your Internet purchase of ammunition to a licensed ammunition seller (gun dealer or FFL) where you take possession of it in person. This might happen, where for instance, a dealer might not keep ammo on hand in unusual or less common calibers;

4) The prohibition on Internet sales, and the ammunition background check, do NOT apply to reloading components. You may still purchase powder, shot, wads, primers and hulls via your usual sources (but I respectfully suggest that you support your local corner gun dealer).

You can stay updated on the SAFE Act at this link:

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Last year, the legislature reduced the applicable portion of budget funding for the ammunition background check database. Little funding is available to move forward on its development. To build a database that will check multiple sources simultaneously (mental health records, orders of protection, felony convictions, etc.) will take a period of time and substantial funding. It's been almost a year – and it's not ready to go.

We had some good news with a federal judge's decision striking down the SAFE Act's limit on seven cartridges in a magazine, but there's much more to be done.

I will continue my efforts to peel back as much of this travesty as possible.

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[downtownv]

Well at least you're good per #4!

[yqtszhj]

Ridiculous

[RRP]

That's the price of voter apathy.

[muggsy]

Anyone needing ammo in N.Y. should call old muggsy. I'm starting a boot legging operation to get a head start on organized crime. I'll hereby refer to my operation as disorganized crime for obvious reasons. I can supply everything from .22 shorts to the 500 S&W mag. Bulk orders are not a problem. You need 'em, I got 'em. Cash only.

[garyb]

That's the price of voter apathy.



Really? :confused: Not from NY huh?:crazy:

[HAP1978]

Voter apathy is right. Still have a hard time believing this is actually happening in America.

I live in Utah and Utah loves guns and we've never even discussed these laws as an option. It actually seems the more anti-gun other states become the more pro-gun Utah becomes.

[RRP]

That's the price of voter apathy.


Really? :confused: Not from NY huh?:crazy:

Let's not make this personal, garyb.

Gun rights have been eroding away because gun owners have gotten lazy. We've taken these rights for granted and have done a poor job communicating to our elected representatives, the importance of preserving these rights.

If every gun owner in this country stood up to be counted, our Constitutional freedom would not be in jeopardy. It could be as simple as joining the NRA, or your favorite industry group. But we don't even do that.

...and now we're paying the price for our apathy.

[chrish]

This is what trips across the state border into PA and VT are for. If women could/did cross state lines to get abortions, NYers can cross state lines to get ammo. Turn about is fair play. Screw 'em I say.

Find some friends, or a gun store in another state. Ship there and go pick it up. Sucks, but that's the way it goes in anti-constitutional states.

[garyb]

Let's not make this personal, garyb.

Gun rights have been eroding away because gun owners have gotten lazy. We've taken these rights for granted and have done a poor job communicating to our elected representatives, the importance of preserving these rights.

If every gun owner in this country stood up to be counted, our Constitutional freedom would not be in jeopardy. It could be as simple as joining the NRA, or your favorite industry group. But we don't even do that.

...and now we're paying the price for our apathy.

I'm not taking it personal at all. If you understood how this issue works in NY you would know that it is controlled by NYC where most of the liberal antigun population resides and controls the liberal politicians like Cuomo. Not worth getting into...you are obviously not a NY'er. That's all I am saying. Your statement is generally true for the country, but the gun owners in upstate NY are far from apathetic; we are members of the NRA; we are fighting the safe gun act; and we are out numbered. Simple as that. It is not about apathy in our state. The state is controlled by the highly populated city. Gun loving NY'ers in upstate NY understand and hopefully will chime in.

[garyb]

This is what trips across the state border into PA and VT are for. If women could/did cross state lines to get abortions, NYers can cross state lines to get ammo. Turn about is fair play. Screw 'em I say.

Find some friends, or a gun store in another state. Ship there and go pick it up. Sucks, but that's the way it goes in anti-constitutional states.



Yes...good points. We'll have to find another way for sure.

[garyb]

Voter apathy is right. Still have a hard time believing this is actually happening in America.

I live in Utah and Utah loves guns and we've never even discussed these laws as an option. It actually seems the more anti-gun other states become the more pro-gun Utah becomes.



Good for Utah. I wish NY was like that. But it has nothing to do with voter apathy, no more than voter apathy got Ovomit elected. Pro gun folks got out voted by pro give to me for free folks. In NY STATE, it is primarily NYC that carries the votes. Folks in NYC do not know about guns and do not want guns in the city. They think that if you make the city gun free, they will be safe. The entire STATE of NY is not like the city, but we don't have the votes, just like the country did not have the votes to keep Ovomit out. NYC libs vote for libs. The SAFE ACT was done by Cuomo, who by the way, may be running for President....so look out apathy! He put in the NY Safe Act in the dark of the night. WE did not have a vote for the Safe ACT. It was inacted by the Governor, who has support of anti gun libs from NYC. It has nothing to do with apathy here in NY. Generally speaking, Upstate NY is pro gun. DownState NYC is anti gun. When Cuomo gets elected for President, you'll see how your apathy argument works out for you. Just sayin. God Help America.

[yqtszhj]

I'm not taking it personal at all. If you understood how this issue works in NY you would know that it is controlled by NYC where most of the liberal antigun population resides and controls the liberal politicians like Cuomo. Not worth getting into...you are obviously not a NY'er. That's all I am saying. Your statement is generally true for the country, but the gun owners in upstate NY are far from apathetic; we are members of the NRA; we are fighting the safe gun act; and we are out numbered. Simple as that. It is not about apathy in our state. The state is controlled by the highly populated city. Gun loving NY'ers in upstate NY understand and hopefully will chime in.

You should try and get a vote to become the 51st state of the union. It could be called UpstateNY. You could maybe get inland Mass. to join in too. I don't know what to do with Connecticut though.

[HAP1978]

Good points garyb. You're right. You live there so you know more than I. That sucks that NYC dictates how the rest of the state is run. People in NYC really live in a fairy-tale land.

Did you see what Cuomo said the other day? He really is a piece of work. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/18/andrew-cuomo-if-extreme-conservatives-are-right-to-life-pro-assault-weapon-anti-gay-then-they-have-no-place-in-the-state-of-new-york/

[WMac19]

Good points garyb. You're right. You live there so you know more than I. That sucks that NYC dictates how the rest of the state is run. People in NYC really live in a fairy-tail land.

Did you see what Cuomo said the other day? He really is a piece of work. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/18/andrew-cuomo-if-extreme-conservatives-are-right-to-life-pro-assault-weapon-anti-gay-then-they-have-no-place-in-the-state-of-new-york/

I agree with garyb on all points. I'd also add that Westchester County has become overwhelming liberal. Between Westchester and NYC, liberal lunacy reigns and sadly sets the tone for our elections.

The above link to Cuomo stating that because I'm Conservative that there's no place for me in NY? Ok, he wins.

I live in Rockland County. Only about 30 miles north of NYC. Not far enough away. We'll be moving to NC in about 1.5 years. Lower taxes (18k in property tax, really?!) and freedom being the impetus for the move.

Love NY but hate what it's become. My parting words will be no more or no less than, "good freakin' riddance!!!"

[Ugly_Dog]

not just a New York problem, we all need to stand up and be counted. IMHO

[RevRay]

Come over to Connecticut ... we're gun friendly ... by comparison.

[deadeye]

Voter apathy is right. Still have a hard time believing this is actually happening in America.

I live in Utah and Utah loves guns and we've never even discussed these laws as an option. It actually seems the more anti-gun other states become the more pro-gun Utah becomes.
There are some states that are still part of America. My state of Arkansas is also very gun friendly. Even our Democrat politicians are members of the NRA. When they voted against the gun control laws it drove Bloomberg and his Lemmings crazy. Our range is run by the city police department. They come up and shoot with us all the time. Feel sorry for the folks in NY. Keep fighting.

[garyb]

You should try and get a vote to become the 51st state of the union. It could be called UpstateNY. You could maybe get inland Mass. to join in too. I don't know what to do with Connecticut though.



I've always felt that NYC should be it's own planet. Upstate is so rural and beautiful country...with God and gun loving country folk, hunters and outdoorsmen. When I hear the apathy word or someone say that we need to stand up, I go nuts....sorry if I over react. Hunting in my parts is a tradition and a way of life. We literally live with our guns as much as we do our plates and silverware. The guns is what put our protein on the table. We'll find another way, but God help them when they come to take them. :32::Amflag2:
No apathy here in these parts. Not sitting down about it either.

[12GA]

You should try and get a vote to become the 51st state of the union. It could be called UpstateNY. You could maybe get inland Mass. to join in too. I don't know what to do with Connecticut though.

I've always liked the sound of "Old York" for the 51st state of the union. :Amflag2:

[muggsy]

Gary, why don't you challenge the constitutionality of the new law. You might be able to get a court injunction. BTW, my bootleg offer still stands, but I'm changing my name to Buggsy. I always wanted an alias.

[Tinman507]

BTW, my bootleg offer still stands, but I'm changing my name to Buggsy. I always wanted an alias.

Do like I do when creating an alias: Jocko
It works for all sorts of stuff. Fake email addresses, signing up for weird stuff online.

[addictedhealer]

I couldn't imagine going through this. Some states are making it harder and some states are making it easier.

I look at states like a business, if they offer what you wan't you go there. Maybe its time to shop elsewhere. I know its easy for me to say over here in Indiana.

[Longitude Zero]

When faced with unpopular statutes you can either take action or sit down and deal with it. One or the other...

[garyb]

Gary, why don't you challenge the constitutionality of the new law. You might be able to get a court injunction. BTW, my bootleg offer still stands, but I'm changing my name to Buggsy. I always wanted an alias.



Yes, already in action. The NY Rifle and Pistol Club has done this. As we all know, legal action takes time. Could be years. A judge just ruled against a portion of Cuomo's insanity, by telling him that it is unconstitutional to restrict us by only allowing 7 rounds in our 10 rd mags. There is still work to be done. It may be easy to pen out that we should take action or sit back. The reality is that the action has been taken and it is in the hands of the courts now. We are fighting back, but it takes ridiculous time to get resolved. Look at it this way....Obama is President. Do we all like it? Of course not. What action are we taking right now? Answer - We are all waiting for him to be done and hopeful that the libs won't get their way again. Likewise, NY gun owners are waiting for a ruling. It is a tough, tough battle in a primarily liberal State controlled by NYC. People who don't know or understand guns, gun safety, 2A, hunting, etc.... The pro gun folks live in more rural NY...spread out...fewer of us....etc... Nuff said.

[JohnR]

In 2012, 61 million voted Republican, 66 million for King Choom. There are supposedly 80-100 million gun owners in America. Let's cock and lock the vote!

[Longitude Zero]

In 2012, 61 million voted Republican, 66 million for King Choom. There are supposedly 80-100 million gun owners in America. Let's cock and lock the vote!


AGREED. But NY will do what Chicago had been doing for decades. Lose a court fight rewrite a similar law and start the 5-7 year fight all over again. As it was explained to me the last judge advised Chicago if they did that again the Federal Courts would hold the city responsible for at least 100% of the plaintiffs cost if not more.

[getsome]

Gary, why don't you challenge the constitutionality of the new law. You might be able to get a court injunction. BTW, my bootleg offer still stands, but I'm changing my name to Buggsy. I always wanted an alias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPhw1Ldp0fg

Better watch out for ol "Buggsy" He's a mean one!!!

[VN Vet]

I hope and pray for the Good People of New York State. I have relatives in Upper New York.

On the NY Firearm Forum, I spoke out against the NY Governor and got banned for 30 days. In addition to a Socialist and Nazi, I called the Governor ***** and the Mods did not like that. They love their Governor. Where I come from our Dictionary defines the word as differing in some odd way from what is usual or normal and/or obsessed in something to an extreme or unreasonable degree. I think that defines Governor Cuomo to a Tee. I learned not to badmouth Cuomo, people on that Forum love that man.

[muggsy]

A lot of people just don't understand socialism until it imprisons them and then it's to late. You can quote me on that. The only thing that this country needs to be saved is a good purge.

[TheTman]

I wonder if the TSA or the NY State Police will be setting up checkpoints on the highways leading into NY, to check for "smuggled" ammo.

[jg rider]

We were born and raised in NYC. The gun issues and forced school busing is why we left. IMHO you can't win there. Most of the city people are either ignorant or brained washed about what can be done.
When we walked from the house the car with cased rifles, neighbors would go into their houses. Once my son was carrying his rifle to the car and one of his friends came over to talk with him. The kids mother just about had a heart attack. The kid wasn't allowed to hang out with my son any longer.
In our time there we had what was called the Firearms Control Board. It's function was for registering rifles and shotguns plus issuing permits to own them. Couples like my wife and I couldn't couldn't co-own them. She had hers and I had mine.
To buy ammo for a rifle or shotgun we had to show the registration for that long gun to prove we owned it, plus we had to show our permits. .22 rimfire ammo were a fluster cuck. There weren't any pistol caliber rifles yet
On hand guns, it really took will power to want to go through what was required. I owned the max which were three allowed target pistols. A 6" S&W mod 19, a Browning Hi Power, and a Walther PPK. Go figure!
I think there still may be a bench warrant out for my arrest, because I left the state with those pistols. Cops showed up at the house the day after my pistol permit expired. My wife was still there closing up her business. They told her that those pistols belonged to the city and needed to be surrendered. Yea right ! To who! Imagine how many sheep would have believed it. Lots!
I don't think there's anything to be done in N.Y. I belonged lots of gun coalitions there. It was a waste of time. N.Y.state doesn't have a constitution that's worth anything. No second amendment.

Now for some fun stuff:
We were back there a few months ago to visit my sister in law. She had 3 boxes of 30-30 ammo that she wanted to get rid of. I told her we'd take them back to OR. with us. So I packed them in our luggage that would be checked in. I declared them at theticket counter. Everything there came to a stop. The guy behind the counter got his supervisor, the supervisor called the port authority police and TSA. Port authority police didn't know how to handle it but the TSA guy did. His only concern was that it wasn't .50 caliber ammo and that I had a TSA lock. He also had to sign a release for the port police.

Question:
We're flying back there again tomorrow, if the snow stops. I wonder, as a nonresident can I buy ammo without a background check or will showing my OR. and Utah concealed carry permits get me any favors.
I'll let you know

[jg rider]

We were born and raised in NYC. The gun issues and forced school busing is why we left. IMHO you can't win there. Most of the city people are either ignorant or brained washed about what can be done.
When we walked from the house the car with cased rifles, neighbors would go into their houses. Once my son was carrying his rifle to the car and one of his friends came over to talk with him. The kids mother just about had a heart attack. The kid wasn't allowed to hang out with my son any longer.
In our time there we had what was called the Firearms Control Board. It's function was for registering rifles and shotguns plus issuing permits to own them. Couples like my wife and I couldn't couldn't co-own them. She had hers and I had mine.
To buy ammo for a rifle or shotgun we had to show the registration for that long gun to prove we owned it, plus we had to show our permits. .22 rimfire ammo were a fluster cuck. There weren't any pistol caliber rifles yet
On hand guns, it really took will power to want to go through what was required. I owned the max which were three allowed target pistols. A 6" S&W mod 19, a Browning Hi Power, and a Walther PPK. Go figure!
I think there still may be a bench warrant out for my arrest, because I left the state with those pistols. Cops showed up at the house the day after my pistol permit expired. My wife was still there closing up her business. They told her that those pistols belonged to the city and needed to be surrendered. Yea right ! To who! Imagine how many sheep would have believed it. Lots!
I don't think there's anything to be done in N.Y. I belonged lots of gun coalitions there. It was a waste of time. N.Y.state doesn't have a constitution that's worth anything. No second amendment.

Now for some fun stuff:
We were back there a few months ago to visit my sister in law. She had 3 boxes of 30-30 ammo that she wanted to get rid of. I told her we'd take them back to OR. with us. So I packed them in our luggage that would be checked in. I declared them at theticket counter. Everything there came to a stop. The guy behind the counter got his supervisor, the supervisor called the port authority police and TSA. Port authority police didn't know how to handle it but the TSA guy did. His only concern was that it wasn't .50 caliber ammo and that I had a TSA lock. He also had to sign a release for the port police.

Question:
We're flying back there again tomorrow, if the snow stops. I wonder, as a nonresident can I buy ammo without a background check or will showing my OR. and Utah concealed carry permits get me any favors.
I'll let you know

Hey, just got back from a visit to NYC. Called around looking for .22 ammo. There's not many places to look in the Staten Island, Brooklyn areas, no luck. Even if I had found some, they wouldn't sell to me because I'm not a resident of the city. I was even accused of trying to take advantage of their laws by bypassing my state's ammo purchase laws. Ammo purchase laws in Oregon ? LOL. I even called the John Jovino gun shop in NYC that caters to police. He's been around forever. He treated me like I was a criminal.
I explained that I had an Oregon and a Utah CCW permits, and that those background checks was far more extensive then their city's was. The word cowboy was used. I thanked him for setting me straight.
I decided to try something else. There's a shooting range in Brooklyn so I called them to ask if they rented guns out, so that I could take my niece there to shoot. I was told that they're not allowed to rent out guns and people needed to have a resident pistol permit or be a LEO.to shoot there, or to even handle one.
We talked about permits and my telling the guy what it was like for me to get mine when we lived there. How I had to carry the pistol in a locked case and the ammo separate while traveling through the city. But when going out to Nassau or Suffolk counties L.I. to shoot, I had to stop and carry the gun on me. About how we'd go out to English Town N.J. to shoot
He told me that now their NYC pistol permits were only good in NYC, that it was illegal to transport them out of the five boroughs of N.Y.
Sheeesh ! What a way to live.
I really think that most of the people there are brained washed.
Please ! Understand that I'm a born and raised New Yorker that's seen the changes, and not someone that doesn't know what he's talking about, and just bad mouthing them.
Let the bashing begin

[Selcouth]

I can not fathom living in a place like NY with all the regulations and BS you guys have to go through.