CW9 question

[DavidR]

I'm a new CW9 owner. I'll post a more detailed version of my initial experience when I have a little more time but overall the gun has performed well during the 200 round break-in period and I'm pleased with it.

I've followed Kahr's instructions for chambering the first round: (1) lock slide back, (2) insert magazine, (3) release slide lock.

I'm curious if anyone tried reversing steps 1 and 2? The new order would be (1) insert magazine, (2) lock slide back, (3) release slide lock.

Obviously I'll try this method next time I go the range but I was just wondering if anyone had tried this and what the results were.

Dave

[jocko]

well it will work fine. When i go out to the range my PMJ9 is always slide locked open, and no magazine. so it would makes sense at that time to just insert a loaded magazine and use the slide release to load.

[kerby9mm]

On #2 if the mag is loaded as you pull the slide back you would have to push up the slide stop as a loaded mag will not allow the slide stop to go up on its own but as the slide is pulled back it would chamber a round. You can #1 put 1 round on the mag. With the slide locked back insert mag then release slide stop to chamber round. Then drop mag & load it then insert fully loaded mag.

[DavidR]

I appreciate the responses. My reason for asking this question is that I have an adult disabled daughter living with me. She likes "shoot em up bang em up" stuff but she is completely unable to grasp the concept that in real life guns can be lethal.

Because of this, my guns need to always be 1 safe step away from my daughter. Usually I keep my handgun loaded but in the safe. There is no way for her to open the safe. When a safe is not available, I have kept my Glock with a loaded magazine inserted but nothing in the chamber. She is completely unable to rack the slide so it is safe in that respect and I can quickly rack the slide if I need to. With the Kahr, I'm just wondering if I can leave the loaded mag in but nothing in the chamber (daughter safe) and then if I need to, just lock the slide back and hit the slide release.

[BEARDOG]

Sure it can be done, but why?

If you put a loaded mag in first, then try to lock the slide back you stand a good chance of jamming up the gun by missing the slide lock and half chambering a round while you play around with it trying to get it locked back. It just makes sense to lock it back before inserting a loaded mag if you want to load by using the slide lock method.

If you want to load your Kahr with a full mag inserted just learn to sling shot the first round. It gets easier to do with practice and as the gun wears in.

Edit: had to step away while replying to your first post. I understand why now.

[DavidR]

Sure it can be done, but why?

If you put a loaded mag in first, then try to lock the slide back you stand a good chance of jamming up the gun by missing the slide lock and half chambering a round while you play around with it trying to get it locked back. It just makes sense to lock it back before inserting a loaded mag if you want to load by using the slide lock method.

If you want to load your Kahr with a full mag inserted just learn to sling shot the first round. It gets easier to do with practice and as the gun wears in.

Edit: had to step away while replying to your first post. I understand why now.

Thanks. I should try slingshotting as you suggest to see which method works better. I've read a lot about problems when slingshotting so I thought lock and release might be more reliable. I understand that neither is optimal.

[BEARDOG]

Thanks. I should try slingshotting as you suggest to see which method works better. I've read a lot about problems when slingshotting so I thought lock and release might be more reliable. I understand that neither is optimal.

Just rack it like you mean it! and don't ride the slide forward at all.

Like I said it gets easier to do with practice and wear. Also ammo choice can effect how it well it works.
I have two Kahrs (CW9+CM9) And always slingshot both using Speer Gold dots, and Ranger ammo and any FMJ.

Greg (GB6491) has a thread that shows a follower mod you can try as well to make chambering by slingshot easier to do. My experience with his mod is post #40
http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=6943&page=2

[smokersteve]

Sling shot it. It works with my CW380

[jocko]

I appreciate the responses. My reason for asking this question is that I have an adult disabled daughter living with me. She likes "shoot em up bang em up" stuff but she is completely unable to grasp the concept that in real life guns can be lethal.

Because of this, my guns need to always be 1 safe step away from my daughter. Usually I keep my handgun loaded but in the safe. There is no way for her to open the safe. When a safe is not available, I have kept my Glock with a loaded magazine inserted but nothing in the chamber. She is completely unable to rack the slide so it is safe in that respect and I can quickly rack the slide if I need to. With the Kahr, I'm just wondering if I can leave the loaded mag in but nothing in the chamber (daughter safe) and then if I need to, just lock the slide back and hit the slide release.

no u cannot do what ur saying, If u have a closed slide and then insert a loaded magazine and even though the chamber is empty, is u can run the slide back the slide will not lock open unless u maually lock it open. With a loaded magazine in , it is also telli9ng the slide to not lock open and the slide will wkant to feed that round. Ur glock works the same way. IMO, keep the magazines loaded OUT OF the gun with your daughters condition. Better safe than sorry, U might thing she cannot load it but again u don't know either.

If I had ur situation, I would keep the slide locked open and the loaded magazine somewhere away form the gun and then all u need to do is slam the magazinein the gun and hit the slide release and it will load perfecly.Again ur chances of a G coming into your home are far far less than the chance of ur daughter who is home all the time coming across the gun and starting to fiddle wioth it and BANG. :amflag::amflag:

[DavidR]

jocko - great advice, thanks for sharing your wisdom.

Leaving the mag out is probably the best solution. I also bought a small gun lock box to take with us when we travel for an extra level of safety. The good thing is that after 5 years of having handguns in the house my daughter has no idea that we own them. She has never seen them and as she is deaf she has never heard us talk about them.

[DavidR]

Just FYI, I tried #2 for chambering the first round at the range today.
#2: (1) insert loaded magazine, (2) lock slide back, (3) release slide lock

It worked fine. No failures to chamber.

[addictedhealer]

Reason the slide lock release works so we'll is because the slide gains maximum momentum to chamber a round. Slingshot works exactly the same way just make sure to pull the slide all the way to the rear and let go.

Don't ride the slide.

[Rooster59]

Don't ever trust your daughter's or anyone else's safety on what you presume. If your firearm isn't in your possession then it should be rendered harmless.

That said, there is no reason to deviate from the recommended practice for loading the firearm.

[DavidR]

Thanks Rooster59. How do you leave your firearm when you're asleep?


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