Is there a known issue with recent CW9 triggers?

[2tango2]

Hear me out on this, not a bash or dig.......

I bought my first Kahr, a CW380 just before Xmas. Love the trigger. Smooth uptake that gets progressively heavier and then has a clean predictable break. I love this gun and it has become my EDC. I figured that I'd pick up a CW9 based on my experience with the CW380. A couple weeks ago I went yo the same LGS and dry fired a CW9. Trigger was smooth but the travel went almost all the way to the rear almost the full length before it fired. It didn't feel at all like my CW380. I thought that was odd since I've read here that the triggers should be the same. I put it back and postponed any thoughts of getting a CW9

Fast forward to a few days ago and I found a thread here about a new CW9 owner experiencing what I mentioned above, very long pull and then gun firing right before the trigger could not be pulled anymore. A few others chimed in that they had the same issue and that a return trip to Kahr fixed it.

I was at a larger LGS last night and they had 3 or 4 CW9s on display. I asked to look at one....this one felt better than the one I tried a few weeks ago but the break was still almost at the very end of travel. I tried 2 others and they were worse. One seemed to fire after the trigger stopped travel. So 3 CW9s all with different trigger pulls.....I mentioned it to the clerk and he did say that they have been having some issues with the CW9 triggers....( I felt like saying if you know there us something wrong why are they still out?)


So........I really want to get a CW9 but I also want one that has a trigger pull that is a least close to my CW380


All that to ask is there a known issue with the CW9 trigger on recent batches?




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[muggsy]

The trigger on my CM9 is long smooth and breaks about 3/8 of an inch away from the grip.

[mtnwinds]

Did someone recently post that Kahr had told them that they had received a bad batch of cocking cams? If so, that is probably the issue.

[Baklash]

I thought the CW9 is supposed to have a loooong trigger pull. My new one does, but then it's my first Kahr and basically what I had read in all the reviews.

[2tango2]

Did someone recently post that Kahr had told them that they had received a bad batch of cocking cams? If so, that is probably the issue.


I wonder if there is a date range available if this is the case


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[CJB]

There have been reports here of some P series with triggers that alnost didnt want to fire, but Kahrs always made it right and then some...the TLC treatment.

[actionexpress]

I looked at a new CM9 the other day that had this problem. All four PM9s I looked at were fine, but the CM needed a really firm yank on the trigger to get it to fire.


Just bought a new CW380 and it's perfect..

[2tango2]

Maybe I'll try a PM9 tomorrow just see if there is a difference in the break

[CJB]

They are the same frame....

[muggsy]

The P380 is basically a scaled down PM9. The trigger pulls should be about the same. It sounds as if your CW380 is out of spec and that the CW9 is performing exactly as it should.

[2tango2]

I don't know Muggsy. The 3 CW9s I tried the other day all had different breaks I had another user PM me that his CW380 has the same pull and break that I have

Maybe you are right and ours are out of spec but I really like the pull on my gun Have you had a chance to try a CW380?

[muggsy]

I have a P380 and it's trigger pull is the same as my CM9. The pull is long and smooth with no stacking toward the end of travel. Let off is crisp with almost no over travel.

[CJB]

Expect variation in pulls. Going around testing might yield what you like, good to do before you buy, but all this compartive testing is needless, because there are going to be variations.

The exact fot of trigger, barrel placement, slide placement trigger bar is somewhat variable, because of the polymer frame. There is minor variation that the design itself can aborb with no ill effect. Stacked tolerances do give us the occasional failure, but those are ocrrected at Kahr with little fanfare other than the trip back and two weeks wait.

If she goes bang, shoot it like u stole the fokker!

[2tango2]

Fwiw I am at a LGS. Just tried a CW9, CM9 and a P9.

The CW9 pulled almost 99% to the rear before it fired. Like I said previously it felt like the trigger went all the wY to rear,stopped then click. The CM9 was a little better

The P9 had a pull like glass and felt just about the same as my CW380 as far as where the break was. There was def a huge difference and feel between the. P9 and the CW9. Then again there is a also a 300 dollar diff in price as well


Maybe I'm splitting hairs here or chasing something too far. But my guess is most of you guys who say the pull and feel is the same have owned your Kahrs for awhile. Maybe it's just a recent run that is exhibiting this behavior ?

[jocko]

the trigger travel on the cw, cm9 ,P9 are all the same 3/8". The internals are alal the same, IMO the breakage should all be the same, certainly within a dgree. If one bottoms out before going bang, leave it on the counter. that is not right. Do we know if the gun is full of crude anywere, ,,, NO we dont but it should not bottom out. I fid it vbery odd that the cw's u tested were all like that. A bad run??? OF WHAT would that be even. Hard to tell

IMO just keep looking.. Just sayin

[2tango2]

What you say makes perfect sense Jocko. They should be all the same if the internals are the same. But what I am finding is a pretty good discrepancy in the breaks. I went to an LGS down the street from the other and the CW9 felt better for sure but not as nice as the P9. They were also about 60 bucks more for their CW9 but I digress

Bad run of whatever controls where the break is?

Yep the search continues lol

[2tango2]

Well the search ended today as I ended up getting this lol. I'll add a CW9 at some point I guess



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[AnnieO]

Nice pick-up. I like my 40C and shoot it mostly with the OEM 9mm barrel.
On to the CW9 observations. I'm a long time PM9 shooter, 90% of the time it is my EDC. The other 10% of the time I'll opt for the XDs .45. At Christmas I decided to purchase a new CW9 really because I like my PM9 so much that I was intrigued by the prospect of having an even better shooter due to being able to attain full purchase on the grip as well as the slightly longer barrel length. I was not disappointed. Now, as others have already commented the trigger does in fact break at about 99% of travel. Thing is the trigger on mine is so smooth and predictable that it was easy to condition myself to take up the slack because it always reliably broke at the exact same point. My CW9 is dead nuts accurate and a joy to shoot. Comparing the CW9 to my PM9 yields triggers that are very similar in travel and smoothness and predictability of break.

I know Kahr triggers are an acquired taste so no doubt I am biased because for some reason I shoot Kahrs better than any other semis I own. Obviously I was fortunate to get a good CW9, but if I were you I would not give up on the idea of purchasing a CW9 in the future since you are already acquainted with the Kahr triggers. BTW, my CW9 came from GB and was $299 plus $15 shipping for NIB so it was really a no-brainer for me. My CW9 is now my favorite plinker and I have several semis that cost many, many, many, times over what the CW9 cost.

[2tango2]

I agree, I haven't given up on it for sure. I'm just going to keep trying them as I seem them in shops until I find a trigger that I like. Could be awhile but the 9c will occupy a lot of that time :)


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[Danno59]

Kind of wish I had read this a couple days ago before I bought my CW9. It never crossed my mind to try the trigger of several different guns of the same model. I just assumed that they were all the same. On the other hand, maybe I am glad that I didn't try out several different triggers because the CW9 I got works just fine. Long, constant, smooth pull, breaks all the way back. I like the gun, I hope I don't have a problem with it down the road.

[Kahrtalker]

I've had the CW9 for about 2 years and always liked the trigger because it is so smooth. But, it does have a long travel. I hadn't shot if for awhile and recently purchased a Ruger LCR 38+P and took them both to the range. I shot about 80 rounds through the LCR and then starting plinking with the CW9. Wow, I really noticed the long travel then. I actually thought there was something wrong with the gun because I was having to pull it back so far. What I figured out was when you fire a bunch of rounds through another gun that breaks a lot sooner and then try the CW9 you really notice it. If I had fired the CW9 first I probably wouldn't have thought the travel was a little excessive.

I have to say that I really, really like the trigger on the new LCR. It's easy to stage and I actually was shooting that little snubby just as well as the CW9 which is hard to believe. I was getting a 2-3" group at 21 ft with that snubby which I think is just fine.