Are you an over buffer ?

[MBSL500]

I just got off the phone with a customer service rep at Kahr.
I asked him if the follower issue had been resolved and if I could be confident that if I were to buy a recently built gun, there would be no broken followers.

He explained that the followers are breaking due to “over buffering” the gun when it is held.
I’ve been shooting a long time and the term “over buffer” is a new one to me.
In fact, I couldn’t find it when doing a Google search.

So there ya go folks.
It’s not the gun's fault.
If you don’t want to break your followers, just make sure you don’t “over buff” the gun when you shoot it.
On the bright side, if you do “over-buff” when you shoot, and you continue to break followers, they will modify the gun to prevent that from happening.

If you’re as confused as I am regarding “over buffering” just give Kahr’s customer service a call.

[Nakanokalronin]

You should of asked him what that term meant. Whatever it means, broken followers are not of the shooter gripping, holding or shooting the gun incorrectly. Does he mean holding it well enough to "buffer" the recoil or allow it to recoil too much in the hand? The barrel ramp hits the follower, so what could someone be doing when shooting it to make it happen? What he told you is nonsense and no matter how loose or tight I grip other pistols, the magazine followers don't break.

I personally modified my CM9 feedramp just to make sure it never happens to mine, so I'm not worried about "over buffering"...whatever it is. :rolleyes:

[MBSL500]

You should of asked him what that term meant. Whatever it means, broken followers are not of the shooter gripping, holding or shooting the gun incorrectly. Does he mean holding it well enough to "buffer" the recoil or allow it to recoil too much in the hand? The barrel ramp hits the follower, so what could someone be doing when shooting it to make it happen? What he told you is nonsense and no matter how loose or tight I grip other pistols, the magazine followers don't break.

I personally modified my CM9 feedramp just to make sure it never happens to mine, so I'm not worried about "over buffering"...whatever it is. :rolleyes:

I did ask him, but received a rather ambiguous answer.
I am just repeating what I was told by the CS rep (the British man).
He said that if followers are breaking, it is due to the user "over-buffering" the gun when he shoots it.

The number is 508-795-3919.
Ask him how you can prevent "over buffering" so you don't break followers.

[dkmatthews]

For all the time you spent putting it on a public forum where there is no official Kahr representation, you could have just followed up with someone else at Kahr to get the answer to your question.

Or, were you just looking to vent and complain?

[Bawanna]

Down DK, down boy.

Lots of negativity here of late. I'm looking for solutions.

Happy thoughts everyone, happy, happy, happy.

Thanks for stopping by though DK, you've been awol a spell.

[dkmatthews]

Sorry, Colonel. I'll go take my happy happy happy meds.

[ripley16]

I've been collecting, shooting, carrying a pretty long time and that's not a term I've ever heard. Not saying it doesn't mean something to someone, but... it certainly is not a commonly used term, at least referring to guns. Aspirin maybe, not a Kahr.

[muggsy]

Buffering is the extreme polar opposite of limp wristing. MBSL500 is a man of steel.

[deadeye]

My CM9 has never had a problem of any kind. It has to be because I an not an "overbufferer". I guess that is why my revolvers have never broken a follower either. Knew it all along.

[CJB]

Good Lord Almighty.... Is the rep you talked to related in any way to that carney, Jay, who works for O'Bumma?

Over buffering. IOW, you held the pistol tightly, in order to prevent stovepipes, and well... you got too tight, and the barrel hit the follower. Dangit. Y'all should know that you gotta watch the barrel nose as you shoot, so make sure its not smackin the follower that way? Adjust your grip from shot to shot to keep yerself in line!

I'd have asked that twit, to explain how rework by the factory cures an over buffering problem with the shooter.

Like zits on a leftist coed at the local liberal arts college, a Joe Biden employee eventually surfaces in every company from time to time.

[Schriscoe]

For all the time you spent putting it on a public forum where there is no official Kahr representation, you could have just followed up with someone else at Kahr to get the answer to your question.



Or, were you just looking to vent and complain?


So why doesn't Kahr have any official representation? If they are dumb enough to NOT have somebody on here reading this, then they deserve the negativity. I've got nothing against Kahr. I own a CM9 that has about 350 thru it. I came here to find answers to some of my issues (slide lock mid mag and one broken follower). I've emailed Kahr with no reply so far. Phone call is next. I think there is a picture developing here, whether you want to see it or not.

[berettabone]

Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[mr surveyor]

Phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.


cool picture .... what is it

[gb6491]

cool picture .... what is it

http://i43.tinypic.com/2ujjvr7.jpg (https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2llZv38GS3pL1-5FQmo8bR1m4eLK2AA9geCoCNGjrZ_aXFj-OR2LVvNE)

[MBSL500]

So why doesn't Kahr have any official representation? If they are dumb enough to NOT have somebody on here reading this, then they deserve the negativity. I've got nothing against Kahr. I own a CM9 that has about 350 thru it. I came here to find answers to some of my issues (slide lock mid mag and one broken follower). I've emailed Kahr with no reply so far. Phone call is next. I think there is a picture developing here, whether you want to see it or not.


Thank you.

[Bawanna]

I always been a Baby Ruth man myself.

[TheTman]

I have a buffer on the back end of my guide rod on my 1911, that's the only buffer I've ever heard of pertaining to pistols. It's supposed to soak up some of the force of the slide when it hits the back of the guide rod. Supposed to prevent wear and cracking on that part of the slide that hits the back of the guide rod. Its just a little O ring basically.

[MBSL500]

I have a buffer on the back end of my guide rod on my 1911, that's the only buffer I've ever heard of pertaining to pistols. It's supposed to soak up some of the force of the slide when it hits the back of the guide rod. Supposed to prevent wear and cracking on that part of the slide that hits the back of the guide rod. Its just a little O ring basically.

The "over buffering" the customer rep. described is not a part.
He described it (paraphrasing) as holding the gun so tight that it compressing the polymer on the grip.
That he explained, is what is causing the followers to break when fired.

Again, I'm simply repeating what I was told.
Anyone is free to contact Kahr and ask a rep. what "over-buffering" is and if it's causing their followers to break.

Personally, I have owned a lot of polymer guns and have never heard of over-buffering before.
I have also never heard of breaking a follower due to gripping a gun too tightly.

I own a CM9 and only want be certain of it's reliability before I feel confident to carry it.
If I can break followers by gripping the gun too tight, and the remedy is to send it back to have Kahr grind material off the bottom the feed ramp, something is wrong.

[Schriscoe]

The "over buffering" the customer rep. described is not a part.
He described it (paraphrasing) as holding the gun so tight that it compressing the polymer on the grip.
That he explained, is what is causing the followers to break when fired.

Again, I'm simply repeating what I was told.
Anyone is free to contact Kahr and ask a rep. what "over-buffering" is and if it's causing their followers to break.

Personally, I have owned a lot of polymer guns and have never heard of over-buffering before.
I have also never heard of breaking a follower due to gripping a gun too tightly.

I own a CM9 and only want be certain of it's reliability before I feel confident to carry it.
If I can break followers by gripping the gun too tight, and the remedy is to send it back to have Kahr grind material off the bottom the feed ramp, something is wrong.


Wow. Just wow. So if the polymer is so weak that you can grip it too tight and cause a malfunction, then how in the hell can it stand up to hundreds and thousands of small explosions? I must call to see if I get the same story.

[yqtszhj]

I don't care if it does break followers, I'm not going to walk around like some limp wristed male. :)

[MBSL500]

Wow. Just wow. So if the polymer is so weak that you can grip it too tight and cause a malfunction, then how in the hell can it stand up to hundreds and thousands of small explosions? I must call to see if I get the same story.

Please do.
Ask for the Brit, and please post what he tells you.

[b4uqzme]

I thought this was gonna be a thread about making my barrel too shiny. Or worse...something else. I'm goin' looking for some positivity. I'm sure there's plenty on here if I look hard enough.

Have fun. ;)

[Bawanna]

^^^^ this right here. Seek positivity and you shall find it. That's what I'm looking for.

[Schriscoe]

I'm like the most "glass half full" person I know. I'm also a realist. If you put lipstick on a pig...(you know the rest).

[Tinman507]

I was raised to understand that over-buffing causes vision problems.

http://www.nutterwick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/thick_glasses.jpg

[dkmatthews]

Always look on the bright side of life!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

[getsome]

Thank you DK I needed that....As a Born Again Christian I know I'm going to hell but I still laugh my a$$ off whenever I see that clip.....:D

[Bawanna]

I received word that some use the term "over buffering" as a nicer term for limp wristing. This kind of makes sense although I don't think "over buffering" is a good substitute.

It's believed that not using a firm grip allows the barrel to hit the follower. Most common in the 40's of course.

Most seasoned shooter do not like to hear the term limp wristing so this is like a PC way of saying it without offending.

[Tinman507]

Oh I thought it meant this:
http://westforwestwing2012.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/president-limp-wrist1.jpg

[Bawanna]

Maybe when the first lady gets the boot out of the white house she can get a job as a bowling pin.

I hate myself sometimes.

[MBSL500]

Maybe when the first lady gets the boot out of the white house she can get a job as a bowling pin.

I hate myself sometimes.

Not appropriate,

[getsome]

Ok how about a job as one of those kids punching toys, you know where the bottom is full of %@*& and when you punch it in the face it goes down but pops right back up again....I bet she could put a picture of her face on um and sell millions....I'd buy several so I would have some spares when the original wears out!!!...:cool:

[dkmatthews]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Csekfam1Fzk/SZspPzOvDqI/AAAAAAAAARs/7RNsVC3huzM/s1600/02.jpg

[Bawanna]

Sheep to slaughter. How can so many relatively normal people be so dumb?

[Tinman507]

This says it all

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/graphics/derrieres.jpg

[AJBert]

I was guilty of over buffering when I first joined the Navy. Never heard the term before I joined way back in '82 and not really sure I've heard since. Being as I was a just a boot when I got to my first ship I knew I had a lot of learning to do in a short time.


Over buffering was on of the very first things I learned.


See, on board Navy ships back then most of the decks had tiles that were waxed. To ensure a shiny deck we had buffers. The first couple of times I was assigned compartment cleaner I found myself on the buffer. When one leaves the buffer in one place to long, they tend to "burn" through the wax and right into the tiles.


Hence, over buffering! Not quite sure how this fits into Kahrs and their magazine followers breaking but it is the best I can come up with.


Maybe not buff the deck while carrying concealed???

[b4uqzme]

Ok how about a job as one of those kids punching toys, you know where the bottom is full of %@*& and when you punch it in the face it goes down but pops right back up again....I bet she could put a picture of her face on um and sell millions....I'd buy several so I would have some spares when the original wears out!!!...:cool:

I'll take one. See I knew I'd find something positive in this thread. Thanks!