For those that had followers break, how many rounds before they broke?

[swrdply400mrelay]

I've only put about 500 rounds through my CM9, so I was wondering for those that had followers break, about how many rounds before they broke?


TIA!

[muggsy]

That might be difficult to access since the guns usually continue to function with broken followers.

[T0RMENT]

Funny you should ask...mine just broke this past Friday.

I was right at about 300 rounds and was happy as can be, but then my 6 round magazine broke the follower. The 7 round magazine is fine though.

I'm starting another thread on this issue.

[T0RMENT]

That might be difficult to access since the guns usually continue to function with broken followers.


They continue to function, loading the first three rounds works, but the broken follower (depending I guess on how/where it breaks) makes loading that 4th round a real pain in the ass. After fighting with mine to get that 4th round loaded I was able to load the remaining and it fed fine. But once again, trying to reload it, the broken follower was getting hung up on the mag release hole.

[Schriscoe]

I noticed a broken follower after about 350 rounds.

[codegeek]

Mine broke the first time within the 200 round break in, while I was firing Critical Defense rounds. The second time it broke was the next time I took it to the range and fired off another 2 boxes.

[GLOCKROCKER]

I haven't had an issue with mine yet but because of all the posts about the problem I inspected my mags the other day and checked the clearance at the feed ramp. WOW is it close! Barrel pushed all the way back I'm guessing .025" at best. Something to keep an eye on.

[dkmatthews]

I haven't had issues with broken followers, thankfully. If I'm going to have a follower, he or she was probably broken before they ever got around to me. :D

[jocko]

I haven't had an issue with mine yet but because of all the posts about the problem I inspected my mags the other day and checked the clearance at the feed ramp. WOW is it close! Barrel pushed all the way back I'm guessing .025" at best. Something to keep an eye on.

thats more than enough.ur good to go. shoot it like u stole it.:Amflag2:

[Bawanna]

thats more than enough.ur good to go. shoot it like u stole it.:Amflag2:

Wow I read that and didn't throw up a little bit in mouth or lose my lunch either, would have been a sad thing I had my heart healthy bacon sandwich today. Bless my wifey.

Beats peanut butter 8 1/2 days a week in all 61 states.

[GLOCKROCKER]

Thanks Jocko - Bawanna's right - didn't need a decoder, translator or nothin.

[stoshmo]

I have a cm40.broke a follower around round 170 i heard so much about them breaking that i checked after every 5 rounds fired called kahr two.weeks ago got the guy with the accent and i dont like him because he doesent make shure the info u give him is correct but he said he would send one to me and if it happend again another trip back so two weeks.later still waiting i took the mag apart and took out the broken peice and it.works but still broken

[getsome]

I called Kahr up and after a good wait I got the Brit guy on the phone, I read him the riot act and told him that he better strighten up and stop mouthing off to our forum members like he has been or I was coming up there for a sit down and it wasn't going to be pretty !!!!

He told me to go over buff off....

Guess I told him !!!....:phone:

[Bang_button]

I found both the followers for my 6 round 9mm mags to be broken a few days ago. I have about 800 rounds through my CM9.

However, I think I have found a relatively simple solution to the broken followers, that doesn't involve a rampectomy. (Two of my mags have broken followers; Kahr is going to send me replacements.)

If you examine the follower, you'll see there is a lip on the polymer at the front of it that is pretty sharp and abrupt.

What I just did was take the mag apart, and using a dremel drum sander removed that lip so it's now a smooth slope. It wasn't necessary to remove all that much of the follower.

Take a look at the pics to see what it looks like.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Schwartzy1/Follower2_zpscad504fc.jpg (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/Schwartzy1/media/Follower2_zpscad504fc.jpg.html)


http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Schwartzy1/Follower1_zps61a43a7e.jpg (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/Schwartzy1/media/Follower1_zps61a43a7e.jpg.html)




When I put the mag in, it doesn't come anywhere close to the ramp any more.

[swrdply400mrelay]

I found both the followers for my 6 round 9mm mags to be broken a few days ago. I have about 800 rounds through my CM9.

However, I think I have found a relatively simple solution to the broken followers, that doesn't involve a rampectomy. (Two of my mags have broken followers; Kahr is going to send me replacements.)

If you examine the follower, you'll see there is a lip on the polymer at the front of it that is pretty sharp and abrupt.

What I just did was take the mag apart, and using a dremel drum sander removed that lip so it's now a smooth slope. It wasn't necessary to remove all that much of the follower.

When I put the mag in, it doesn't come anywhere close to the ramp any more.

Thanks for the info! I think I'll try that with my Dremel.

[Schriscoe]

Just received a new follower from Kahr today. Will give it a whirl and post results.

[SaltyNC]

I haven't followed this as closely as I probably should, but I am more and more leaning toward getting a CM9 or PM9. I had my eye exclusively on an XDS 9, but hanging around here has corrupted me. ;)

So, it sounds like the feed ramp is smashing into the plastic follower. And, does it do this with the PM9, too? Has it always done this with all CM9's and perhaps the plastic is inferior in this recent batch of broken followers and just can't take the impact?

If taking off some plastic solves the issue, it makes you wonder if Kahr is already working on a mould for a new modified follower.

SaltyNC

[Schriscoe]

I haven't followed this as closely as I probably should, but I am more and more leaning toward getting a CM9 or PM9. I had my eye exclusively on an XDS 9, but hanging around here has corrupted me. ;)



So, it sounds like the feed ramp is smashing into the plastic follower. And, does it do this with the PM9, too? Has it always done this with all CM9's and perhaps the plastic is inferior in this recent batch of broken followers and just can't take the impact?



If taking off some plastic solves the issue, it makes you wonder if Kahr is already working on a mould for a new modified follower.



SaltyNC


I don't think the follower should contact the ramp. Or at least I can't imagine it was designed that way. I'd suggest you shoot both the Kahr and xds. I own the xds 45 in addition to the cm9. Biggest difference is that the xds 9 holds 1 more standard and weighs about 6 ounces more.

[garyb]

My followers don't hit the feed ramp and I have yet to break one on any of my mags. They don't need much clearance, as long as they have clearance. If they are hitting your feed ramp, followers could be expected to break at any point...depending on the amount of contact they make. Think about it. I can only suspect (I am not an expert) that the harder they hit the ramp, the more likely they will break quicker.


As for taking down the follower, I'd think it would be much easier to reduce one feed ramp than all your followers. JMO.

[dkmatthews]

Which one is out of spec? The follower or the feed ramp?

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[S281]

I had a bit over 1000 rounds before mine broke one. I actually chose to do the rampectomy solution myself with a dremel. I made sure it was clearing it and shot 400 rounds through it today. Flawless and very accurate from 15 yards. I was very happy with it. Shot 3 diff brand ammo including my Ranger 147gr HP that i carry.

[SaltyNC]

So, this is something we should be able to tell before we buy a CM9, correct? If we hand rack the slide and see that the feed ramp is making contact with the follower, we could either make a decision to purchase and Dremel the feed ramp or follower, or pass on it. Is my thinking correct?

SaltyNC

[Tilos]

I found both the followers for my 6 round 9mm mags to be broken a few days ago. I have about 800 rounds through my CM9.

However, I think I have found a relatively simple solution to the broken followers, that doesn't involve a rampectomy. (Two of my mags have broken followers; Kahr is going to send me replacements.)

If you examine the follower, you'll see there is a lip on the polymer at the front of it that is pretty sharp and abrupt.

What I just did was take the mag apart, and using a dremel drum sander removed that lip so it's now a smooth slope. It wasn't necessary to remove all that much of the follower.

Take a look at the pics to see what it looks like.

http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Schwartzy1/Follower2_zpscad504fc.jpg (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/Schwartzy1/media/Follower2_zpscad504fc.jpg.html)


http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Schwartzy1/Follower1_zps61a43a7e.jpg (http://s823.photobucket.com/user/Schwartzy1/media/Follower1_zps61a43a7e.jpg.html)




When I put the mag in, it doesn't come anywhere close to the ramp any more.
Thanks for the pics and fix
A much smaller gamble to mod the follower instead of the barrel, before playing phone/email tag with Kahr for a return for repair:D
Ken

[Tilos]

With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope:D
Ken

[Schriscoe]

With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope:D
Ken


Not sure I've seen what I'd call anger OR name calling. I've been posting a bit here lately while trying to get my cm9 wrung out, and there are a few others having similar issues. Everyone certainly has a right to an opinion. It's sharing problems when they occur that can shine a light and hopefully lead to a solution, whether it's an issue with the product or the service. My opinion is that some of the longer tenured posters don't really want to hear it.

Most are familiar with the xds recall. The guy that got it all started posted about his issues on xdtalk. Some folks didn't want to hear it when he shared info about his gun going full auto upon slide release. Or it was somehow the poster's fault. Well, it was critical info and got the ball rolling. I'm not happy that my gun is still at Springfield, but I'll survive. I'm just saying maybe don't judge so harshly the sharing of info. Of course, no whining allowed!

[Tilos]

I understand how you could feel that way.
The locked threads quickly fall off the "New Posts" page and the banned whiners can't start new threads, they just go over to THR forum to continue the whine, so maybe you missed what I'm refering to.

Kahr's have been breaking followers off and on for a long time, with the problems worked thru everytime by the factory, like adding the steel pin in the follower, where it hits the slide lock.
Todays business enviroment dosen't have people sitting around waiting for the phone to ring, with most matters best handled with a detailed email with pics of problems.
Yet everyday the whiners post here about how long they waited for someone to answer the phone at Kahr.
Try a phone order, rather than ordering on line, for anything and see how long it takes and how much mis-information is exchanged.
I have no knowledge or interest in any xds recall, but believe someone from Kahr reads what's posted here.
Ken

[Bang_button]

It's not all that easy to see it just when racking the slide. Ideally, you should field strip the slide, and put the barrel back in position in the frame, with the slide stop pin reinstalled. Then push an empty magazine up into the frame and see if the follower contacts the feed ramp. If it does, you'll see the barrel move. It will be very easy to see how in time that follower will probably break. I don't know that a dealer would want to see you do all this, unless you're very proficient with your field stripping and he can see you know this inside and out, and that this is all old hat to you, and you're checking for a very obvious problem. My 2 cents worth.


So, this is something we should be able to tell before we buy a CM9, correct? If we hand rack the slide and see that the feed ramp is making contact with the follower, we could either make a decision to purchase and Dremel the feed ramp or follower, or pass on it. Is my thinking correct?

SaltyNC

[Bang_button]

Exactly.


Thanks for the pics and fix
A much smaller gamble to mod the follower instead of the barrel, before playing phone/email tag with Kahr for a return for repair:D
Ken

[Bang_button]

You're very welcome, Tilos. Glad to be of help.




With all the Whine Festival threads this is a refreshing change.
Anger towards Kahr does not help anything and just clouds the ability to think thru a problem.
Fixes like Bang_button has deveoped could never come about thru anger/piling-on/or the name calling that's been the norm around here of late.
Thanks again Bang_button, you have just solved a long ongoing problem with Kahr pistols that may lead to a follower redesign...lets hope:D
Ken

[modraker]

I've only put about 500 rounds through my CM9, so I was wondering for those that had followers break, about how many rounds before they broke?


TIA!




I took my brand new CM9 for the 200 round break in session. There were no problems whatsoever. When I got home, the front section of the magazine follower came off as I was cleaning it.

[Tilos]

I think the interference could be detected with a 1/4 inch width of paper inserted with the mag on a slide back assembled gun.
Drag on the paper during removal would indicate the barrel ramp is touching the follower.
Not something I tried...yet.
And to expand on the fix, after doing it to all my followers, I think the relief only needs to be across the front, not all the way around the curved portion, which only further weakens that portion of the follower that is already thin.
jmo

[PATarheel]

I purchased a CM9 last Saturday. I had planned on running 200-300 rounds through on Sunday but at just over 50 rounds (124gr FMJ), noticed the follower had cracked. Took me several days to get through to Kahr however I did today and they said they will send me another follower but if it happens again, that I'll need to send in the pistol for repair. After reading this thread, it seems that as though that may be inevitable. I have a 2nd mag on its way so plan to get back this weekend to see if the same things happens.

[getsome]

Hello PATarheel and welcome to Kahrtalk....Sorry you have the cracked follower deal but if you will go back in this thread to post #14 that another new Kahrtalk member Bang Button posted and see how he used a dremel tool to smooth the front corner off the follower where the feed ramp hits it....

I think Bang Button is on to something with that mod and it should fix the issue without grinding off the ramp which is what Kahr will do if you send it back... I don't know why it took so long for someone to figure this out but I think that is what needs to be done to prevent the contact and subsequent breaking of the plastic follower....That mod makes perfect sense to me as you aren't removing any materal from the top where the bullet contacts the follower but lower down where the contact is happening....

Thank you Bang Button for posting and showing good detailed pictures of what you did...Hopefully Kahr will eventually correct the problem but until then if you have a pistol with this problem I would definitely give it a try....Looks promising and is a very simple fix to an aggravating on going problem....There are lots of smart new folks here and I'm glad they are willing to think out of the box sometimes....This mod is a no brainer really but until Bang Button posted it nobody had come up with a solution other than major surgery.....Good luck to you and again welcome aboard...

[T0RMENT]

Hello PATarheel and welcome to Kahrtalk....Sorry you have the cracked follower deal but if you will go back in this thread to post #14 that another new Kahrtalk member Bang Button posted and see how he used a dremel tool to smooth the front corner off the follower where the feed ramp hits it....

I think Bang Button is on to something with that mod and it should fix the issue without grinding off the ramp which is what Kahr will do if you send it back... I don't know why it took so long for someone to figure this out but I think that is what needs to be done to prevent the contact and subsequent breaking of the plastic follower....That mod makes perfect sense to me as you aren't removing any materal from the top where the bullet contacts the follower but lower down where the contact is happening....

Thank you Bang Button for posting and showing good detailed pictures of what you did...Hopefully Kahr will eventually correct the problem but until then if you have a pistol with this problem I would definitely give it a try....Looks promising and is a very simple fix to an aggravating on going problem....There are lots of smart new folks here and I'm glad they are willing to think out of the box sometimes....This mod is a no brainer really but until Bang Button posted it nobody had come up with a solution other than major surgery.....Good luck to you and again welcome aboard...


+1...agree.

However, this isn't an anomoly. This is apparently relatively common among Kahr owners. My question is, why isn't Kahr addressing the issue whether it be modifying any future followers manufactured or a small modification to the ramp before the gun is distributed for sale? Seems like it would be more cost effective all away around to fix the problem before it leaves the factory rather than sending out known issues and waiting for the customer to send it back. Right now I feel that Kahr is overwhelming their customer service department, paying for unnecessary shipping costs to/from for repairs, lowering customer confidence in their products that could lead to lost future sales. Fix the problem, stop band-aiding the damn thing.

[codegeek]

+1...agree.

However, this isn't an anomoly. This is apparently relatively common among Kahr owners. My question is, why isn't Kahr addressing the issue whether it be modifying any future followers manufactured or a small modification to the ramp before the gun is distributed for sale? Seems like it would be more cost effective all away around to fix the problem before it leaves the factory rather than sending out known issues and waiting for the customer to send it back. Right now I feel that Kahr is overwhelming their customer service department, paying for unnecessary shipping costs to/from for repairs, lowering customer confidence in their products that could lead to lost future sales. Fix the problem, stop band-aiding the damn thing.

I agree. I wish Kahr would address this and the nose dive issue. One can only surmise that they are making enough money that they are willing to deal with these problems on a case by case basis.

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[MBSL500]

+1...agree.

However, this isn't an anomoly. This is apparently relatively common among Kahr owners. My question is, why isn't Kahr addressing the issue whether it be modifying any future followers manufactured or a small modification to the ramp before the gun is distributed for sale? Seems like it would be more cost effective all away around to fix the problem before it leaves the factory rather than sending out known issues and waiting for the customer to send it back. Right now I feel that Kahr is overwhelming their customer service department, paying for unnecessary shipping costs to/from for repairs, lowering customer confidence in their products that could lead to lost future sales. Fix the problem, stop band-aiding the damn thing.

+2 Well said.

[Tundra5.7]

I noticed my followers broken somewhere between 175 and 225 rounds. The last several rounds were 135 grain +P Critical Duty...that might have done it in! I chose to send my CM9 back to Kahr after they sent me a new follower. Basically Kahr payed for shipping both ways and I had my pistol back in 8 days. IMO that is damn good CS.

[SDGlock23]

My CM40 doesn't break them any longer because the feed ramp on the barrel was slightly shortened and rounded so it doesn't make contact with the follower under recoil. But when it did, I put a new follower in (sent free by Kahr) and I didn't make it through two magazines before it broke. Of course 180gr bullets going around 1100 fps probably didn't help matters, but it was nearly instant. Lesser recoiling rounds the followers would last a little longer, but still not very long.

[leftysixty]

I've got 18 mags for my CW40, and about 3,000 rds downrange.

I broke one follower, and I managed that with my mag loader:eek:

[muggsy]

Kahr is addressing the problem. They are replacing the broken followers and repairing the feed ramps that are out of spec. The problem is in determining when the problem started and how many guns need the fix. All new production should be good to go if Kahr is on top of the problem. No manufactures want to have products returned because of defects in materials or workmanship. Fixing gun for free eats into profits and that makes the stock holders very unhappy. The biggest problem is that most Americans expect out of the box perfection and instant gratification. Patience is a virtue and all good things come to those who wait.

[Tundra5.7]

Kahr is addressing the problem. They are replacing the broken followers and repairing the feed ramps that are out of spec. The problem is in determining when the problem started and how many guns need the fix. All new production should be good to go if Kahr is on top of the problem. No manufactures want to have products returned because of defects in materials or workmanship. Fixing gun for free eats into profits and that makes the stock holders very unhappy. The biggest problem is that most Americans expect out of the box perfection and instant gratification. Patience is a virtue and all good things come to those who wait.


Well, Kahr did address my follower/feed ramp issue and did so in a very timely manner. The CS I received was top notch and I'll give them credit for that. Obviously I do wish it worked perfectly out of the box but all is good now.

However, I have to ask what would be considered a "new production" Kahr pistol? Mine was from March of 2013 so it's not even a year old yet. Has Kahr changed something in their manufacturing process in that short period of time? I'm not being argumentative here just wondering out loud so to speak.

[MBSL500]

Kahr is addressing the problem. They are replacing the broken followers and repairing the feed ramps that are out of spec. The problem is in determining when the problem started and how many guns need the fix. All new production should be good to go if Kahr is on top of the problem. No manufactures want to have products returned because of defects in materials or workmanship. Fixing gun for free eats into profits and that makes the stock holders very unhappy. The biggest problem is that most Americans expect out of the box perfection and instant gratification. Patience is a virtue and all good things come to those who wait.

The problem is not being addressed.
I asked Ian; "if I were to buy a newly manufactured gun if I could be assured that I wouldn't have the follower issue" and was told "no".

Does this particular America expect perfection out of the box?
Absolutely not.
But I do expect that when I lay out my money for a new firearm, I will not need to polish the magazine feed lips, modify (file) the
follower, verify that the magazine spring isn't reversed, ground down and / or polish the feed ramp, or have to send it back to the
manufacturer to make it function correctly.

Nobody is expecting instant gratification, just a product that works as advertised...the first time.

This is a chronic issue with the gun.
And reading where someone has put 1 million rounds through theirs is no consolation to anyone who just had to put his new gun in the
mail to have Kahr make it "right".
To dismiss these known problems or suggest that anyone who expects a new product to work *the first" time* as "impatient", is not fair to the buyer.

Just my opinion as a CM9 owner folks.

[RRP]

My Kahr pistols work as they should. They have never given me a lick of trouble. So, I've not paid a lot of attention to exactly which model(s) is/are breaking magazine followers.

Is this problem confined to the CM9, or does it involve PM models and others?

[Tundra5.7]

The problem is not being addressed.
I asked Ian; "if I were to buy a newly manufactured gun if I could be assured that I wouldn't have the follower issue" and was told "no".

Does this particular America expect perfection out of the box?
Absolutely not.
But I do expect that when I lay out my money for a new firearm, I will not need to polish the magazine feed lips, modify (file) the
follower, verify that the magazine spring isn't reversed, ground down and / or polish the feed ramp, or have to send it back to the
manufacturer to make it function correctly.

Nobody is expecting instant gratification, just a product that works as advertised...the first time.

This is a chronic issue with the gun.
And reading where someone has put 1 million rounds through theirs is no consolation to anyone who just had to put his new gun in the
mail to have Kahr make it "right".
To dismiss these known problems or suggest that anyone who expects a new product to work "the first" time as impatient, is not fair to the buyer.

Just my opinion as a CM9 owner folks.

I suspect you are correct in stating this is a chronic issue with these pistols. IMO, the reason you don't hear or see more of this issue is because most don't shoot them enough to start experiencing issues in the first place.

Obviously this is not the case with members on this forum but for many it is. I know several guys who buy firearms simply because they find a good deal.

I also don't see anything wrong with expecting a new firearm to function properly. Would anyone not be upset if their new LED TV only illuminated in black and white?

[codegeek]

I suspect you are correct in stating this is a chronic issue with these pistols. IMO, the reason you don't hear or see more of this issue is because most don't shoot them enough to start experiencing issues in the first place.

Obviously this is not the case with members on this forum but for many it is. I know several guys who buy firearms simply because they find a good deal.

I also don't see anything wrong with expecting a new firearm to function properly. Would anyone not be upset if their new LED TV only illuminated in black and white?

Unless you have statistical evidence to support your claim of "chronic", I certainly wouldn't be making that statement, otherwise you come across as someone with an agenda like this MBLS5000 guy.

In any manufacturing process you are going to have issues. Unfortunately, Kahr is the only one that knows what the percentage is and what size the problem is. Their attitude indicates they are willing to deal with this as a post sale issue.

Fortunately, a lot of the people that have issues show up here where we are able to help them.

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[jocko]

codegeek. nice post and IMO u are so right. Ur always gonna read on compl,aints on any forum be it cars, guuns kcycles, appliances.

I am not defendng kahr or any maker of anything. That is what we have warranties for to. Naturally it is neer good when it happens to u the owner,but again the workd CHRONIC IMO is way way out of order. Just sayin

[Tundra5.7]

Unless you have statistical evidence to support your claim of "chronic", I certainly wouldn't be making that statement, otherwise you come across as someone with an agenda like this MBLS5000 guy.

In any manufacturing process you are going to have issues. Unfortunately, Kahr is the only one that knows what the percentage is and what size the problem is. Their attitude indicates they are willing to deal with this as a post sale issue.

Fortunately, a lot of the people that have issues show up here where we are able to help them.

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I promise you and everyone else on the forum I don't have an agenda. I love my CM9 and I am considering buying another Kahr in the future. I really like the looks of the CT45!

You are correct on my use of the term "chronic." I should not have quoted that for two reasons. First, I don't have any statistics to back it up and second, the term would be too hard to define assuming I did have statistics. My bet is though, Kahr feels it happens frequently enough for them to address it in the manner they do.

My experience with Kahr pistols is limited. A good friend had problems with FTF's on a PM40 that went back to Kahr 2 times before it was fixed. He lost confidence in the pistol and sold it. My CM9 has fired 100% of the time, even when using magazines with broken followers. From the looks of it, Kahr fixed my pistol right.

It looks to me like Kahr would want to fix this problem...regardless of how big or small it is.....before they send it out. I figure they spent $200 or more on my CM9, when you calculate labor, overnight shipping both ways and 4 new followers.

[MBSL500]

Unless you have statistical evidence to support your claim of "chronic", I certainly wouldn't be making that statement, otherwise you come across as someone with an agenda like this MBLS5000 guy.

In any manufacturing process you are going to have issues. Unfortunately, Kahr is the only one that knows what the percentage is and what size the problem is. Their attitude indicates they are willing to deal with this as a post sale issue.

Fortunately, a lot of the people that have issues show up here where we are able to help them.

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Please, stop with the "agenda" nonsense.

I own a CM9. In fact it's sitting next to me as I type this.
Because I posted exactly what I was told by Kahr customer service .. I have an agenda?
Because I have read post after post of modifications some people have had to do to make their gun function properly... and I have commented on those posts.... I have an agenda?

If what people read on this forum represents even a *small* sample of customers who have sent their gun back to Kahr to have their barrel shaved down in order to function properly, it is safe to assume that the company knows darned well that that they are sending guns out the door that shouldn't be.
It is not a kit gun and should not need to be modified in any way to function as their costumers expected it to when they pull out their cash.

I was told the follower problem was "people are over-buffering (limp wristing) when they shoot".
So, according to the rep, your gun isn't defective, you just don't know how to shoot it.
That comment (made by a Kahr Customer Service Rep.) should offend anyone who has had to send their gun back to have the barrel shaved.

And the word "chronic" was used correctly.
"Chronic is not based on *amount*.
It is based on "duration" and "recurrence".
If followers were cracking due an interference problem in guns made in 2009 or 2010 or 2012....and followers continue to crack on guns manufactured today, that my friend is a "chronic" problem.
It doesn't matter if it affects 50% of the guns or 5% of the guns being made.

If and when Kahr admits that it is *their* problem and not the fault of the shooter, and when the problem is fixed, I will be the first to say "Job well done Kahr, you did good".

If this offends some of you because I see a problem that has not been resolved, I'm sorry.

[Schriscoe]

I've tried to tell some of these folks they have quite the reputation on other boards. They don't seem to care. So at the risk of being labeled negative here's my post rampectomy range report.

The good news. No broken followers, 65 rounds. The bad? See the pic, I think my gun won't handle rounds pushing the overall length limits. Tried wwb 147 again, this happened right away.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/09/uvuma5ed.jpg

One premature slide lock with 115 Fmj. I'm not putting too much stock into that. I just think my imperfect little beast is finicky, and I shall stick to carry ammo like hornady 115 crop that it cycles well.

[codegeek]

I wasn't suggesting you have an agenda, Tundra5.7. You have/had a problem that you deserved to be corrected. We all would like to see these problems fixed.

The problem is people like MBls5010 who has to jump on every thread saying the same thing, and then thinking he is telling us all something we don't already know.

And then there's that whole thing about "duration" and "reoccurence" not having anything to do with statistics. :rolleyes:

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[kahrnut1]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth

[Bang_button]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth

I've done the hand strengthening stuff you mention. "Captains of Crush" is what I use. I am up to to the 200# ones. Can't do it, not a chance. 150#, yes.

My grip is OK.

The follower problem, IMHO, is not a grip strength issue. It's a clearance issue.

[Tundra5.7]

i'm 71 yrs old if i shoot 25 rounds in my pm40 i do not break followers. if i start shooting 50 + rounds i better really consontrate on grip or i will break occasional follower. maybe 1 in 2 or 3 hundred rounds. the guy at factory told me several yrs ago they would pay to return it or send me some followers. the gun performs if i grip it right or they can make it perform when i shoot it bad. why not learn to shoot it right. theres nothing wrong with using hand strenghtening devises to build up your grip. my 2 cents worth


On my particular CM9 the bottom of the feed ramp and magazine follower touched each other when the darn slide was locked back. It was simply out of spec. I can only imagine how much contact there was under recoil.

I'm certainly not an engineer but it looks to me like a firmer grip would break more followers under recoil. I have seen guys break stocks on heavy recoiling rifles before when they put them in "Lead Sleds." I'm not sure I buy that excuse from Kahr unless someone can explain that one.

[kahrnut1]

i'm not going to argue with u what u r saying sounds right. i cannot tell u if mine touches or does not touch but since i had talk with factory i broke 1 and that was after a whole bunch of 1911 rounds and 9mm pm9 and then 50 rounds through pm40 getting tired.

[kahrlwallace]

I noticed cracking after 100 rds.

[rbishopp]

I've put about 300 or so rounds and found a broken follower today.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/4cb16f5710815612b2f349301e879545.jpg

Is this what others are experiencing ? Not sure when it happened so it appears the mag still functions properly.

[RonW]

I may have to order a new follower from Kahr. I noticed on the mag that came with my CW40 there is a metal tab on the follower than engages the slide release is protruding out a little bit more than it should and is binding up the magazine when loading, it functions fine otherwise. I grabbed my wife's nail file & ground it down a bit but the perfectionist in me says nah, get a new one.... The replacement factory mag I got from Cabela's is fine..

[rbishopp]

I just sent a email to service@kahr.com and they got right back to me. A new follower is on the way. Took 10 minutes. They did say if another breaks I'll have send everything in. Hmm I hope it doesn't come to that.

[RonW]

I just sent a email to service@kahr.com and they got right back to me. A new follower is on the way. Took 10 minutes. They did say if another breaks I'll have send everything in. Hmm I hope it doesn't come to that.

I just sent them a email regarding the metal tab sticking out on my follower.

[kcarr65]

I don't want to sound stupid but can someone post a pic of a good and a bad follower please?

[rbishopp]

Scroll up the page a few posts.

[RRP]

I don't want to sound stupid but can someone post a pic of a good and a bad follower please?

See post #56.

[jocko]

I've put about 300 or so rounds and found a broken follower today.

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/29/4cb16f5710815612b2f349301e879545.jpg

Is this what others are experiencing ? Not sure when it happened so it appears the mag still functions properly.

on some breakage, the mag will perform OK but in time it will let u down. Put in a new follower and if it breaks one more time, leave it in there and ask kahr to pick up the gun on their dime. I had to send my PMJ9 in after 7 years and total time was 6 days in and out. gtreat service. If a follower gets busted, it is ALL RAMP RELATED and that will not go away until the ramp is modified by Kahr, Some handy gun guys can do the ramp ob themselves, I suggest though to let kahr fix it right, They ade it, they kow how much to take off. I broke my frist follower years back and it never happened until about 3 weeks ago, so I figured twice is one time to many..

I want to think that all the new kahrs today have had the inhouse rampectomy done to them and this busted follower stuff should almost be history. Hopefully the ones we are reading about toda are older guns,. We don't read a 10th of the follower issues as we did about 2 years back. Seen more i thge 40 cal kahrs than 9's but again that explosion of the bang thing in a 40 cal does amazing sh!t upon ejecting, kinda scary if u seen it in slow motion..

[rbishopp]

Yeah they told me the next broken one my gun will have to back to them. I haven't broke one on my cw40 and I have many many many more rounds though it. Try shooting with your fingers crossed. Ha ha.

[RonW]

Service rep at Kahr was pretty fast in responding to my email regarding my follower, they're going to send out a replacement.. :cool:

[rbishopp]

So last week I found I had a broken follower and emailed Kahr. Yesterday (one week to the day) I reeived the replacement follower in the mail. Had it installed in the mag in just a minute or two and put that mag back in the CM9. Lets hope I'm done using the their customer service. Kahr was easy and fast to work with but I don't want to send in my gun for any reason.

[muggsy]

Not even if Kahr offered to gold plate and engrave it for free? :)

[muggsy]

The only time that the follower can be struck by the barrel ramp is after the last round is fired. If you stop emptying the gun you won't have the problem. This method also eliminates the problem of the slide not locking back after the last round is fired. No more worries about bullets that nose dive when hand racking the slide. It requires no modifications what-so-ever. The only draw back that I can see is that you have to be able to count to six. This means you, Jocko. I'm surprised that no one has come up with this idea before me. Muggsy, always thinking outside of the box. :)

[jocko]

Yeah they told me the next broken one my gun will have to back to them. I haven't broke one on my cw40 and I have many many many more rounds though it. Try shooting with your fingers crossed. Ha ha.

bigger frame, less close tolerances, leff broken followers...

[Narkcop]

Why not make steel magazine followers? I know several years ago some of their magazines had steel instead of hard brittle polymer/plastic.

[RonW]

Why not make steel magazine followers? I know several years ago some of their magazines had steel instead of hard brittle polymer/plastic.


Probably to help keep costs down is my guess.... Back to the followers breaking, I've put 700 rounds thru my CW40, and picked up two extra mags along the way so I'm not using the same one over & over & over, but to date I've had no issues at all with the magazines or the pistol....

[BobK]

Just replying to an old thread. My brand new CM9 broke the follower after about the first 100 rounds so the problem still persists. Mine broke in the rear so how does that measure up to the others?

[Alfonse]

Why not make steel magazine followers? I know several years ago some of their magazines had steel instead of hard brittle polymer/plastic.

That is a good question.

I have looked at stainless steel for our aftermarket followers. The cost wasn't much different than machining the aluminum and anodizing. The reason I haven't gone that route is a steel follower like I tried is as hard as the barrel. When the barrel hits the follower, it can ding up the barrel and puts quite a bit more stress on the magazine tube and even the pistol frame.

I decided it was better to let the aluminum get a little ding in it, if the barrel hit it, rather than potentially damage the barrel or magazine tube. Depending on the pistol, the aluminum followers can get a little ding in the front and they also sort of fit to the mag catch as well. It doesn't hurt anything other than the finish on the follower. So, that's why I haven't produced stainless steel followers for sale. I wanted to make sure our parts won't do any damage to anybody's pistol.

It is possible to make a stamped follower from stainless or steel that would have more give. The issue there is the tooling costs in in the tens of thousands of dollars.

[Papersniper]

I've tried to tell some of these folks they have quite the reputation on other boards. They don't seem to care. So at the risk of being labeled negative here's my post rampectomy range report.

The good news. No broken followers, 65 rounds. The bad? See the pic, I think my gun won't handle rounds pushing the overall length limits. Tried wwb 147 again, this happened right away.

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/09/uvuma5ed.jpg

One premature slide lock with 115 Fmj. I'm not putting too much stock into that. I just think my imperfect little beast is finicky, and I shall stick to carry ammo like hornady 115 crop that it cycles well.


This is an old post, but I just got a CM9 and had similar problems with Lawman 124 TMJ rounds......Blazer Brass 115 FMJs and Fed. American Eagle 147 fr FMPF rounds did not "nose dive" like in your photo. I've only put about 100 rounds through mine.

[jocko]

This is an old post, but I just got a CM9 and had similar problems with Lawman 124 TMJ rounds......Blazer Brass 115 FMJs and Fed. American Eagle 147 fr FMPF rounds did not "nose dive" like in your photo. I've only put about 100 rounds through mine.

give the gun more rounds, alot of things get right once the gun seats in etc. If your busing followers, then IMO u might have an older version. Kahr has since dome some ramp work on their guns to eliminate busted followers. If you gun breaks one follower, be concenred but relace it and giv ethe gun some more rounds,often times it corrects itself, bgut keep an eye on the follower. Many gbreak and the owner doesnt even know it as the gun willf unction ok for awhile. Twobusted followers the gun n eed to go back, If u contact kahr they will usually send a pickup on thegun and it will come back perfect. IMO let the fix it, not try it yourself. Some good techy peole here can do that rampectomy but ag ain, let kahr do it, if in doubt. Kahrs are not ammo finicky..Just say8n