Creation / Evolution live debate tonight

[aray]

Totally off-topic from guns but some of you might find this interesting:

Bill Nye "The Science Guy" of PBS fame and of The Planetary Society (http://planetary.org/) will be debating Ken Ham founder of Answers in Genesis and the Creation Museum (http://www.answersingenesis.org/).

The debate topic is: "Is Creation a Viable Model of Origins?"

CNN blog about it here: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/03/why-im-debating-the-science-guy-about-creationism/

Live streaming of the debate is here: http://debatelive.org/

The debates starts at 7 PM tonight.

[RevRay]

My youth pastor hyped it up, so we're live-streaming it on a big screen at our drop-in center tonight.

[ripley16]

Finally we'll get the answer to who created evolution.

[John222]

Finally we'll get the answer to who created evolution.

Just theater. Neither men are experts. Btw, evolution is a scientific theory, creationism is a religious belief without any supporting facts.

[muggsy]

It amazing just how closely that the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution parallels the biblical story of creation. Some scientists including Charles Darwin had doubts about the theory of evolution. I believe that God, an all powerful force, created the heavens and earth and brought us into being through evolution. I guess that makes me a mugwump. For those of you who are to young to know, or too old to remember, a mugwump is a bird that sits on a fence with his mug on one side and his wump on the other. :)

[muggsy]

It truly would be a sad thing if there was no God and all of this were for nothing. I don't by the theory that the universe and everything in it was just a happy accident.

[deadeye]

When you look at the universe in total and see the perfect balance involved to keep everything working - and then say it all happened by accident. A rock exploding in space did it. Yeah, right. And evolutionists thing I have blind faith because I believe in God?

[knkali]

It truly would be a sad thing if there was no God and all of this were for nothing. I don't by the theory that the universe and everything in it was just a happy accident.

"happy" accident ? Not sure about how happy it really is.....that aside, I agree with you. Yahweh set it all in motion..............

[knkali]

It amazing just how closely that the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution parallels the biblical story of creation. Some scientists including Charles Darwin had doubts about the theory of evolution. I believe that God, an all powerful force, created the heavens and earth and brought us into being through evolution. I guess that makes me a mugwump. For those of you who are to young to know, or too old to remember, a mugwump is a bird that sits on a fence with his mug on one side and his wump on the other. :)


On a few occasions I have read where hard core science guys also think that there is an ultimate power/energy/creator/G-d..... seems their thought is surmised by comprehending the complexity and desire for the continuance of life is beyond numbers and scientific thought.

[b4uqzme]

I honestly believe that we are tremendously naive to think we can even begin to comprehend the reality of it all. So just enjoy it while you can. And say hello to our creator when you finally get the chance. :)

[muggsy]

Scientists are searching the universe for signs of intelligent life. I'm trying to find some signs of intelligent life on earth. :)

[getsome]

It's pretty simple to me....If you gave all the money, time, materials, equipment and all gathered human knowledge to the greatest minds brought together from all corners of the planet they could not manufacture a single seed from raw materals that would grow and reproduce....That's Gods magical work...

[Ikeo74]

Religion is the biggest Ponzi Scam ever devised. Evolution is the real answer.

[TheTman]

Don't look in Washington DC muggsy, hasn't been much intelligence there for a few years.

The THEORY of evolution is the atheist's God, it gives them something to believe in about how we got here. The odds of all the necessary conditions to fall into place at the right time for us to be here are astronomical. Even if it's true, there had to be a guiding hand in there somewhere.
This video is a good one to watch if you want to see a good argument against evolution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjvuwne0RrE

Ike, I'm not into ORGANIZED religions either. I try to worship the same as they did in the 1st couple of centuries, before Rome got involved with it, and mixed in all their pagan rituals. God gave us a set of laws at Mt. Sinai, and said let no man add to these nor take away from them. So what did the Rabbi's do? Started adding to the laws. Then the Romans came along, and added all their laws to Christianity, none of which I adhere too. Then the Holy Roman Empire became a power, and men sought that power, and made more rules, and waged wars on different populations of Christians. If a village did not accept the Pope as the head of the Church, the village was exterminated. Some estimate some 60 million Christians were killed over those years in the dark ages. They were kind of like the muslims are today. Pledge allegiance to the Pope, or die. Now we have thousands of different denominations, each with their own set of man made rules. Most of which claim their religion is the true way.
I don't mean to insult anyone's religion, or how they worship, but I don't see how they can say they preach the truth, particularly when almost all of them sprang out of the Catholic Church, which came out of Rome, full of pagan rituals, renamed to honor Christ. God said that to take a heathen ritual or festival, and practice it in his name is an abomination. That is why I try and follow what's IN the Bible, and not what people SAY is in it, or how they interpret different passages. I look at the Bible as ONE book, with a RENEWED covenant, instead of a NEW covenant. Anyone ever wonder why their are 10 commandments, but only 9 are followed, and only Jewish people observe the Sabbath? When Constantine made Christianity the official religion of Rome, they were very anti-sematic, and thought that observing the Sabbath was a sign of being a Jew. So they switched the day of worship to Sunday, the day they honored their sun god, Sol-Invictus, or the Unconquerable Sun. It had nothing to do with Christ rising on Sunday morning or anything of that nature that many people say.

I also say live and let live, and if you are happy with what you believe in and practice, then that's fine by me. Unless you're preaching Jihad or Pagan or Satanic rituals, or some crap like that. God is a loving God, and I'm willing to bet, that he'd rather have you believe in him, and maybe practice some things that Rome slipped in, than to not believe at all.
I was reading some literature the other day, about Moses crossing the Red Sea, and that in Heaven, the Angels were singing along with the Hebrews about the awesome miracle that happened there. But God was not happy with his Angels rejoicing at the destruction of Pharaoh's army, telling them that were not the Egyptians his children too? Did he not grieve that he had to destroy the army that was chasing the Hebrews? Did he not regret that Pharaoh's heart was so cold?
By the way, there is a film out about the Red Sea Crossing, and they have under water video taken by unmanned submersible craft of many chariots and parts of them at the bottom of the Red Sea all gathered together in one small region. Of course the wood is rotted away, but Coral had grown and preserved the shape of the chariots.
It's pretty awesome to see all this war machinery at the bottom of the Red Sea, and it helps to establish evidence that the Red Sea crossing actually happened.
I apologize if I stepped on anyone's toes, religion is always a touchy subject. I got into this a little deeper than I meant too.

[ripley16]

The THEORY of evolution is the atheist's God...

No, that's wrong. Entirely different subjects with little or no overlap. What makes people think there has to be one but not the other?

[SlowBurn]

"The odds of all the necessary conditions to fall into place at the right time for us to be here are astronomical. "
The odds against winning the lottery are astronomical, but somebody is going to win.

Consider the number of years the universe has existed and the number of astronomical bodies in it. Both numbers are, well, astronomical. So saying the odds are astronomical is also saying to was bound to happen somewhere at some time.

[TheTman]

The chance that we "evolved" to our present form is closer to the odds of winning the lottery every day for 10,000 years, without missing a day. Or something like 1 in 10 to the 48th power. Something like 1 in 10 to the 15th power or so is considered a virtual impossibility by most scientists and mathematicians. That info is from the video I linked to above.

Consider all the cells, all the strands of DNA with all it's genes. All the complicated organs that cooperate to make up our bodies, any little error that creeps in can send the whole thing over the cliff. Not to mention our consciousness or soul or whatever you want to call the part of us that makes us human.

Regarding my statement that The Theory of evolution is the atheists "God" should go more like this:
Evolution is the atheist's way of explaining our existence. It takes the place of a Creator. Supposedly life just started up in some swamp somewhere, and we all started out as little bacteria type things. And grew into what we are now. Many if not most religious people believe in evolution too, but with God's hand guiding the way.

I could maybe buy into guided evolution, but not that the spark of "life" just spontaneously occurred. Some think life was "seeded" here by a passing comet, some think aliens visited our planet years ago and "created" us, but where did that life come from? We know all the building blocks that create living cells, but no scientist has created life out of the raw materials. They have got close, but no cigar.

Darwin himself had doubts about his theory. His notebook is on display somewhere, and photos of it show he has questions to himself scattered throughout it. I don't know anyway to prove whether it's right or wrong, so I guess we choose what feels right to each of us.

What's important is the fact that we are here, how we got here will never have an answer that is satisfactory to everyone. Some think the universe is only 6000 some years old, I suppose that is possible, but I'm not convinced. If you want to take the 6 day creation literally, how do we know each "day" wasn't a billion years.

Something "Way out there" to ponder: If an atheist were to somehow win a Supreme Court case, that there is no God, What would the fallout be? Our Bill of Rights is based on God Given rights, and if there is no God to grant us those rights, could they declare the Bill of Rights null and void? There goes all our freedoms, 2nd Amendment, along with the other. I don't see this happening anytime soon, but maybe someday after they brainwash more of the population. The Constitution also refers to God, as does the Declaration of Independence. What might happen with those documents?
Not that we need to discuss this now, just something to consider. With the way they try and stamp out any mention of God in schools, and public places. We could end up with a lot more atheists in the future. And some idiot may try something like this.

[RevRay]

Religion is the biggest Ponzi Scam ever devised. Evolution is the real answer.

And I'm one of the salesmen ... let me know if you want a piece if the action.

[Longitude Zero]

Even Darwin was quoted as saying that evolution only explains what happens to living organisms AFTER they are here. It cannot explain how living organisms came to be in the first place.


Anybody who says that evolution is not a viable biological process is too ignorant to be listened to. As proof look at the Artic Fox vs the Fennec Fox. Both came from a primary common ancestor but over the aeons each adapted to the environment they found themselves in. Biological organisms change over time due to changing conditions. Did humans evolve from lower forms of life...HELL NO.

[Barth]

Religion, politics...

[ripley16]

Did humans evolve from lower forms of life...HELL NO.

The question may be - "did we evolve into lower life?" After the abominations of Stalin, Pol Pot, Margaret Sanger, etc., I wonder. :(

[bob98366]

Religion, politics...

+1 In the old days one of the unwritten rules (and very wise, IMHO) of the Navy was religion, politics and the opposite sex were taboo topics in the officer's mess (dining area). Works well in civilian life, too.

[muggsy]

And I'm one of the salesmen ... let me know if you want a piece if the action.

+1 Ray. I liked that answer.

[berettabone]

Ancient Aliens............................................ ...........................................

[TheTman]

The Fennec and Artic Foxes, are more of an example of Natural Selection, which is one of the cornerstones of the evolution theory. Natural Selection states that the animals best suited for their environment will fare better, and have more offspring than those less fit, and become the norm for the species.
It's not much different than dog breeders mixing breeds to try to come up with a dog with the best of both breeds. They end up with various types of dogs in the litter, some combine the best features of both parents, some the worst features, and the variations in between.
It's been done with livestock for hundreds of years to get better cows, horses, Jocko's sheep and other farm animals. As well as with crops.
The Foxes although they are different, they are both foxes. Evolution would give you maybe a Fennec Fox, and some kind of Arctic fox/wolverine/weasel type critter, or whatever it ended up as. Natural Selection has been going on as long as there has been life. One of the most successful examples, is this MRSA bacteria that is resistant to most antibiotics. Health professionals say that by using all these antibacterial soaps, and hand wipes and things, that we are helping breed these superbugs. They say these are not new bugs that evolved, but bugs that antibiotics didn't kill, so they kept on reproducing until they are the wide spread threat they are today.

[deadeye]

Religion is the biggest Ponzi Scam ever devised. Evolution is the real answer.
Don't know about that. My belief in God costs me nothing. If I don't believe in him and he really does exist, it could cost me a lot for a very long time. Atheists must believe man is the master being. If he is, baby we in a heap 'o trouble.

[SlowBurn]

Some think the universe is only 6000 some years old, I suppose that is possible, but I'm not convinced.

I almost hate to ask, but how does one "suppose that is possible" when the universe is visible out to about 16 billion light years?

[Longitude Zero]

The Fennec and Artic Foxes, are more of an example of Natural Selection, which is one of the cornerstones of the evolution theory. Natural Selection states that the animals best suited for their environment will fare better, and have more offspring than those less fit, and become the norm for the species.



Natural Selection and Evolution are synonyms. Evolution is NOT a theory. It is provable to have occurred. You and I simply are looking at the same situation thru different lenses.

[berettabone]

Don't know about that. My belief in God costs me nothing. If I don't believe in him and he really does exist, it could cost me a lot for a very long time. Atheists must believe man is the master being. If he is, baby we in a heap 'o trouble.
Why would you say that? God forgives all, right?

[berettabone]

Religion is the biggest Ponzi Scam ever devised. Evolution is the real answer.
To try to convince the believers, that there may be another theory besides religion, is like trying to tell Obama he's a lousy president...........http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[ripley16]

I almost hate to ask, but how does one "suppose that is possible" when the universe is visible out to about 16 billion light years?

Man! You have good eyes! :cool:

[TheTman]

IF the earth is only 6000 years old, God would have placed the planets and galaxies near their present positions. God says he created the stars for signs and for seasons.


LZ, not to argue, but to satisfy my curiosity, when did they prove the Theory of Evolution?
Natural Selection would be pretty easy to prove. But according to what I've been reading, that is only major one part of evolution. Natural Selection works within kinds of animals, but doesn't create new kinds, according to the articles I've been reading.

[RevRay]

To try to convince the believers, that there may be another theory besides religion, is like trying to tell Obama he's a lousy president...........http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

Hey, Beretta, do you suppose you and I could still be friends as long as we keep to the subject of our love for our MK9 Duo Tones ... and we stay away from the subject of God et. al.?

[RevRay]

One thought to help everyone sleep better tonight ... if there is no God, then it doesn't really matter if you're pro gun or anti-gun in this life ... once you're in the grave that's all there is to it ... regardless of which side of the fence you may have once been on.

Now mind you ... I'm not saying that if there is a God that it does make a difference ... because there are other issues that come into play. But if there is no God then it really doesn't make a hill of beans difference.

[berettabone]

Hey, Beretta, do you suppose you and I could still be friends as long as we keep to the subject of our love for our MK9 Duo Tones ... and we stay away from the subject of God et. al.?
Of course............but you have to admit, I was correct, right?http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[RevRay]

To be honest ... I couldn't get passed being compared to Obama.

[Longitude Zero]

LZ, not to argue, but to satisfy my curiosity, when did they prove the Theory of Evolution?

Natural Selection would be pretty easy to prove. But according to what I've been reading, that is only major one part of evolution. Natural Selection works within kinds of animals, but doesn't create new kinds, according to the articles I've been reading.


When I was educated at the collegiate level Natural Selection was the branch of science that pretty much proved Evolution in plants and animals. It NEVER was purported by Darwin to explain how life started but it undoubtedly explains what happens to life after it arrived.


You are confusing NS with species origination. I believe new species have originated long after initial creation. It is called species interbreeding/plant grafting. It does not occur on its own but with human help.

[berettabone]

To be honest ... I couldn't get passed being compared to Obama.
Then what you need to do, is go back and re read what I stated. Getting a religious person to believe there is any other explanation for the existence of mankind, is like trying to get the POTUS to believe he's doing a lousy job. Reading is fundamental. I didn't see any comparison to the man himself.http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[RevRay]

How 'bout them MK9 Duo Tones ... they're real special guns aren't they?

[b4uqzme]

How 'bout them MK9 Duo Tones ... they're real special guns aren't they?

;) !!

[ripley16]

Who created the MK9. Have they evolved?

[SlowBurn]

IF the earth is only 6000 years old, God would have placed the planets and galaxies near their present positions.
OK, but in that case nothing further than 6000 light years away would be visible. Since objects 16 billion light years away from earth are visible to us, electromagnetic radiation (including light) must have begun traveling from those objects, in the position where we now "see" them, a minimum 16 billion years ago, ...if you see what I mean.

[berettabone]

OK, but in that case nothing further than 6000 light years away would be visible. Since objects 16 billion light years away from earth are visible to us, electromagnetic radiation (including light) must have begun traveling from those objects, in the position where we now "see" them, a minimum 16 billion years ago, ...if you see what I mean.
Give up, they won't get it.................http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[SlowBurn]

Give up, they won't get it.................http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

No, no.. too pessimistic. Discussion can clarify provided we're not too dogmatic.

The man initially said some claim the universe is only 6,000 years old, and he thinks its possible, but is not convinced. He may be open to it because he hasn't really thought it through. I think its helpful going through the steps to demonstrate that, as humans, we can reason from known facts, using logic to reach conclusions regarding at least some of these types of claims.

[ripley16]

It isn't a scientific question. It is called faith. No more, no less.

[berettabone]

No, no.. too pessimistic. Discussion can clarify provided we're not too dogmatic.

The man initially said some claim the universe is only 6,000 years old, and he thinks its possible, but is not convinced. He may be open to it because he hasn't really thought it through. I think its helpful going through the steps to demonstrate that, as humans, we can reason from known facts, using logic to reach conclusions regarding at least some of these types of claims.
Impossible............God did it, don't you know?http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[TheTman]

Actually I have put a lot of thought into it. I look at different sides of the issue, but haven't come up with an answer I'll stand behind 100%. The only thing I can say for sure that I am convinced of, is that whether the earth is 6000 or 6 billion years old, God was behind it all. It's possible that God was being a jokester, and created fossils and things for scientists to discover, and make them think the earth is billions of years old, when its only a few thousand years old, just to see who would believe the Bible story of creation, and who would come up with all kinds of theories about the age of the earth, and evolution. if we are created in his image, then he must have a sense of humor, and other human traits, like curiousity, and love and jealousy. Maybe he enjoys seeing what theories and inventions and ideas men come up with.
Some eastern religions believe that we are God's "Lila", which translates into something like play, or entertainment. He watches us like we watch TV. Another of their ideas, is that the entire universe, exists within the mind of God, or is God, hence their belief that "All things are One". You can kind of get an idea how this works, by imagining 2 people talking. As long as you think about them, those 2 people and the world they exist in are real to both of them.
I guess I'm undecided on so much of this stuff, since when I was younger, I was more scientific minded, but as I get older, I'm becoming more Christian which is influencing a lot my older ideas about things.

There are the legends of Atlantis, and other advanced civilizations, that if they existed, would have flourished probably longer than 6,000 years ago. According to a video on You Tube, in the Bermuda Triangle they found a place with pyramids and a sphinx on the ocean floor. I believe they stated they were first discovered by US submarines during the Cuban missile crises, not too far from Cuba.

This is supposed to be a photo of the pyramids and sphinx that was found.
It kind of looks like a Photo Shop job, so not sure what it's worth.
http://kartalk.pccomps.com/atlantis.jpg

In reality, I'm not sure it matters much how old you believe the Earth is. I don't think not believing in a 6000 year old Earth violates any Judeo-Christian laws or commandments. I guess some of that depends on how long a day was, during creation. Time is relative to the observer, and I guess gets breaks down when examining sub atomic particles. Such as a particle being in 2 places at the same moment.

[berettabone]

We have already discovered things that show, that a civilization, of one sort or another, has been on Earth, for a lot longer than 6000 years. Some scientist's are now contemplating the fact that civilizations could have been here as long as 100,000 yrs. ago.

[Longitude Zero]

Geology proved long ago the earths age is vastly longer than 6000 years.

[Ikeo74]

True believers in Creation by God, will never be convinced that evolution had anything to do with the making of the universe. They will remain with their head in the sand. What they don't understand, had to be the work of God because they don't have any other explanation. Anything too complicated for them to understand was the work of God.:angel:

[mr surveyor]

When God said "Let there be Light", light was created in it's entirety from the source to the receptor .... no need to wait 14.5 billion years (according to scientific theory of measurement) to make an (theoretical) observation and declare we can measure the time of creation/existence of the universe.

Pretty plain and simple to me.

JD

[RevRay]

It's not just a matter of faith ... in his ground-breaking book, Darwin's Black Box, PhD micro-biologist Michael Behe showed how Darwinian evolutionary theory simply cannot explain the complexity of life as we now know it to be today at the molecular level.

[chrish]

When God said "Let there be Light", light was created in it's entirety from the source to the receptor .... no need to wait 14.5 billion years (according to scientific theory of measurement) to make an (theoretical) observation and declare we can measure the time of creation/existence of the universe.

Pretty plain and simple to me.

JD

Yup. There you go. So easy a caveman can understand it. Well...if there was such a thing as a caveman...which there isn't.

Next thing a scientist (and I use that term loosely) will toss out is good old carbon dating. Ugh. Idiots.

[Pulpit Pistol]

It's not just a matter of faith ... in his ground-breaking book, Darwin's Black Box, PhD micro-biologist Michael Behe showed how Darwinian evolutionary theory simply cannot explain the complexity of life as we now know it to be today at the molecular level.

So true. The fact is that an Absolutely Necessary Being (God) created the universe (which could never create itself, nor sustain itself). God subsists outside the space-time continuum that He created. "Evolution," I think, is a thinly-veiled effort to try to explain reality without God--but it inevitably fails.

Everyone knows in their heart of hearts that God exists, and that He created the world. Our problem is not intellectual; instead it is spiritual. We know we are unclean sinners before Him. That is why we must be clothed in the righteousness of Jesus Christ alone, by faith (alone).

[ohio lock]

Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father." Jesus answered him, "He who has seen me has seen the Father." John 14:8,9

[SlowBurn]

'Now I'll give you something to believe. I'm just one hundred and one, five months and a day.'

'I can't believe that!' said Alice.

'Can't you?' the Queen said in a pitying tone. 'Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes.'

Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said 'one can't believe impossible things.'

'I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'

[mr surveyor]

I just don't follow fairy tales like evolution and Alice in Wonderland

[b4uqzme]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWANNqr-vcx0

[Ikeo74]

The biggest Fairy Tale to ever believe is that there is one "super being" that has/had the ability to create the Universe. Man has evolved into the dominate animal because he developed opposing thumbs which he used to write books to preserve and to pass down all the knowledge from past generations. Evolution is your friend, not your enemy. ****-happens!

[Ikeo74]

800,000 year old footprints found in the UK.

http://wowway.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-scientists_find_800000_years_old_footpri-ap

Creation? or Evolution?

[berettabone]

" brainwash" to indoctrinate so thoroughly as to effect a radical change of beliefs.

[b4uqzme]

800,000 year old footprints found in the UK.

http://wowway.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-scientists_find_800000_years_old_footpri-ap

Creation? or Evolution?

Do I see a Nike emblem?

[Bawanna]

This ones circling the drain boys and girls. I detected bad ju ju the moment it was introduced.

Like politics I neglected to do my job and didn't really read this thread or I would have closed it probably after the first page.

Hopefully we can throw some moth balls on this one and toss it in the back of the closet.

[RevRay]

Colonel, if we promise to behave ourselves, will you let this thread keep going for a little while longer? For those of us who do believe ... I'm sure He won't mind and for those who don't it doesn't matter anyway. After all, if the village idiot (and by that I mean a believer like me) wants to make a fool of himself , well then, you just sort of let him do it and smile at his stupidity, right?

[muggsy]

800,000 year old footprints found in the UK.

http://wowway.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-scientists_find_800000_years_old_footpri-ap

Creation? or Evolution?

And they say "Big Foot" doesn't exist.

[getsome]

Don't forget about Jocko....I've never seen somebody that could scratch their knee while standing straight up...

[jocko]

Don't forget about Jocko....I've never seen somebody that could scratch their knee while standing straight up...

scratching my knees but I am scratching sumpin:behindsofa::behindsofa:

[Bawanna]

Colonel, if we promise to behave ourselves, will you let this thread keep going for a little while longer? For those of us who do believe ... I'm sure He won't mind and for those who don't it doesn't matter anyway. After all, if the village idiot (and by that I mean a believer like me) wants to make a fool of himself , well then, you just sort of let him do it and smile at his stupidity, right?

Your wish is my desire. And this is the only reason it's still open. Your right I don't anticipate much enlightenment but it can't hurt.

Melissa should be here on this one.

[jocko]

i TRIED TO ADD ALITTLE humor to this. Always felt religtion was more of a private matter. Some (well many_) would probalby say ol jocko could be a vllage idiot,but was schooled for 12 years in a catholic school with nuns, (it only went to the eight grade though) I had alot of writing problems . Just sayin

[Pulpit Pistol]

i TRIED TO ADD ALITTLE humor to this. Always felt religtion was more of a private matter. Some (well many_) would probalby say ol jocko could be a vllage idiot,but was schooled for 12 years in a catholic school with nuns, (it only went to the eight grade though) I had alot of writing problems . Just sayin

You inspire us all, Jocko. With you, it's what-you-see-is-what-you-get; and that's refreshing!

[jocko]

I have no issue with Muzzy's . I could back over every one of them in my car and never look back

If I owned a restaqurant I would hire towel heads for sure, as I would need no drying towles at all in the kitchen. which would be a big savings and time saving also. U gotta think positive about people. I try to give all a break and some consideration. that is why I have no issue in backing over muzzy's. Just sayin. call me insensitive if u wish, as u well know I just don't give a fokk either. I am not to sure about the refresing part Pistol as I just cut a fartin my den and my sleeping dog awoke and ran out of the room. Was u possably referring to sumpin like that?????

[Pulpit Pistol]

I am not to sure about the refresing part Pistol as I just cut a fartin my den and my sleeping dog awoke and ran out of the room. Was u possably referring to sumpin like that?????

Probably was, Jocko!

[GROTMAN]

Have been following this thread but hesitant to jump in because the subject is complicated and touchy. People who believe in a Creator aren't going to have their minds changed by this thread and those who don't aren't probably aren't going to become believers by reading these posts either. IF anyone is serious about learning more though I would highly recommend reading "Why the Universe is the Way it is by Hugh Ross, and The Case for a Creator by Lee Strobel. Whether you believe in the God of the Bible or not.. these books do give strong evidences of " Intelligent Design".

[chrish]

800,000 year old footprints found in the UK.

http://wowway.net/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-scientists_find_800000_years_old_footpri-ap

Creation? or Evolution?

Yup, and there it is. The carbon dating thing. Dated using assumptions that may or may not be true. Yet another unproven theory pawned off as science.

Personally don't have a problem w/ folks conjecturing about how and why things are the way they are. But you can't really call something fact or science if you can't produce hard evidence and or repeatable experiments. That's how science worked until the last hundred years or so. Funny, that's about the amount of time it's taken progressives and liberals to unwind the Constitution. Hmmmmm.

You can however call evolution, carbon dating, global warming, the list goes on...theory...ideas...something worth researching. Just don't claim it to be fact when you can blow barn sized holes thru any of it. Those things are taken on faith just like those with religious beliefs.

[TheTman]

Not so much to do with creation or evolution, but interesting video of coral encrusted objects that appear to be parts of Egyptian Chariots, at the bottom of the Red Sea in the area believed to be where the Hebrews crossed when escaping from Egypt. Supporting the story in Exodus.
I found these by going to You Tube and searching on "chariots at bottom of the Red Sea" There are a few more videos if you care to watch them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzb4ekyX1kc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzb4ekyX1kc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7hL3kKrRw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7hL3kKrRw)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90NM9tgDQE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d90NM9tgDQE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLLhB-LLMGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLLhB-LLMGA)