View Full Version : Kahr polymer... how is yours holding up?
Was going to go out to the range and do the rest of my 'break in' of my new CM9, but due to snow and my need to do other things today it was postponed until next weekend. I figured I'd clean my Kahr, even though it was cleaned after last week's outing but I wanted to snap some pics of the polymer to compare to older, more used Kahrs on here.
If possible, please disassemble your firearm and post photos of your polymer wear. This will be good for new and old Kahr owners alike figure out what to expect down the road...
This is after only 110~ rounds. I forget the total count, but it's around there. I'm not complaining but I am slightly concerned about what it'll look like after 1,000 rounds, 5,000 and so on...
http://i.imgur.com/iclSspO.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/T7S6G66.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/xmGUv1s.jpg?1
This is my first polymer pistol so I really have nothing handy to compare it to. Just wondering if this sort of wear on a pistol that is this (hardly) used is normal, and hoping you guys/gals can show pictures of your polymer frame and round count so I sort of have an idea as to what to expect later. I'm not used to rough edges and 'frame wear' on any of my other pistols, because they're built like tanks out of metal.
Thanks for reading/looking/helping.
:Amflag2:
zamboni
02-16-2014, 02:55 PM
Mine has 10 times as many rounds down range and looks 10 times better than yours. Sorry, I know that is not the answer you wanted to hear.
GROTMAN
02-16-2014, 03:06 PM
Sorry as well. Have to say, I have a pm9 and yesterday passed the 4000 round mark and mine never, ever looked even close to that. Matter of fact never had any shaving/wear at all.
Well hell. What suggestions do you have for me?
Would Kahr do anything about it? Should I just ignore it and hope it does not get progressively worse? Sell it off and make it someone elses problem? Now I'm a tad concerned.
GROTMAN
02-16-2014, 03:19 PM
root. I wouldn't be too concerned yet. Wait until Jocko, Bawanna or someone else with more experience takes a look at the pics. Will probably tell you it's normal and shoot it like you stole it. I believe some others have posted concerns about some wear... and were told it's ok and won't effect anything. :)
root. I wouldn't be too concerned yet. Wait until Jocko, Bawanna or someone else with more experience takes a look at the pics. Will probably tell you it's normal and shoot it like you stole it. I believe some others have posted concerns about some wear... and were told it's ok and won't effect anything. :)
I'm hoping this is the case. Like I've said, I've only shot it once but after that one time I told myself I'd keep it. I like how it feels. It shot reliably straight from the factory (even if I did some breaking it in at home and cleaned/lubed it nice beforehand). I like how it feels and went ahead and ordered 3 extra magazines, Talon grips, a pocket holster and IWB holster for it.
I'll await a response from some of the others.
It's also possible that some of that may be there due to hand racking the slide several hundred times in an effort to assist in 'breaking it in' while sitting at home.
Here is why I think that (gun is unloaded):
http://i.imgur.com/DwJw3ke.jpg?1
Note the gap. Regular shooting/firing wouldn't have any friction there to cause the wear on the frame. Handracking, however, can. I've not always been pulling from the back of the slide as most normally do. When trying to 'break it in' I'd handrack the slide back and forth by gripping it from the middle of the slide. Doing it like this means there may be some downward pressure, too, which wouldn't exist in a normal motion of the slide from shooting it. I'm just going to assume that this downward pressure caused the slide to rub in that area whereas it normally wouldn't?
I'm hoping that's what the cause is, my own mistake. But still, even handracking it can't be nearly as 'hard' on the pistol as actually shooting it. I've not slammed it back and forth nearly as hard as what would happen during actual operation of the firearm at a range or something.
http://i.imgur.com/RqioJPe.jpg?1
Another picture (also unloaded)
http://i.imgur.com/61GbGVh.jpg?1
Unrelated/just-for-fun :)
Bawanna
02-16-2014, 03:45 PM
I'll bow to others far wiser than I but the tupperware is basically just a handle and holder for the metal inserts, slide rails etc.
Some will show far more abuse (not really abuse just more wear). I'd scrape off the slivers with like an exacto knife but you don't even really need to do that. It will just make it look better which is important to me.
It will reach a point where it will just stop getting any more chewed up and all should be fine.
It can be deceiving looking at a picture, sometimes they make them look worse than they are and sometimes better than they really are.
Personally I go with you have nothing to worry about but no harm in sending those photo's and concerns to Kahr CS and hearing it from them, the may see something that we're missing here.
Kind of a politician answer I apologize for. If it was mine seeing what I've seen I'd run it some more but you have to do what is comfy to you.
PM9 - over 2000 rounds, no wear to speak of.
muggsy
02-16-2014, 03:57 PM
I've never touched the polymer on my CM9 and it looks as clean the day that I bought it. I have well over 1k rounds through it. I send those pictures to Kahr Service and get an opinion from them. Your gun looks like a beaver was chewing on it.
Sorry as well. Have to say, I have a pm9 and yesterday passed the 4000 round mark and mine never, ever looked even close to that. Matter of fact never had any shaving/wear at all.
Same here-1000's of rounds thru my PM9 and the polymer looks as new as the day I took it home.
Emailed Kahr, we'll see what they say. I'll update the thread with their response when it is made.
It's the weekend so I'll be happy to get a response by Wednesday, seeing as Monday is a Holiday.
EDIT: For the curious, I added my email to them and will add their response.
Hi there,
I am hoping this email is seen by the proper individual. Two weeks ago I picked up a brand new Kahr CM9 from my local gun shop here in <City>, <State> called <LGS>. I went there looking for a post-recall XDS, which they had... but their price was too high above retail for me to comfortably go that route. I was left with several options, including a S&W Shield (Which I have other Smiths), a Ruger LC9 and the Kahr. I can't say what made me decide Kahr, but I had read nothing but great things about their reliability, excellent trigger, and I was happy with supporting an American made product so the decision wasn't a hard one for me.... I chose the Kahr.
Last weekend I finally got the chance to shoot it, and put about 110 rounds of factory ammo (American Eagle, Winchester, Federal and Hornady) down the pipe and it went 'bang' with every pull of the trigger and functioned flawlessly. This will eventually be my primary warm weather carry pistol after I have broken it in and have gotten used to it. Prior to shooting it, I was unsure if I would want to keep it or not. After shooting it, I ordered 3 new magazines, Talon Grips, Galco pocket holster and IWB holster from N82 Tactical. So if that says anything, it tells you I wanted to keep it.
Well, after doing some clean up I noticed that the polymer frame is surprisingly... wore out... keep in mind that this is a -brand new- firearm, with only around 110 rounds through it. Technically, it's not even to the 200 round break-in point yet.
Please see the images below:
http://i.imgur.com/iclSspO.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/T7S6G66.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/xmGUv1s.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/RqioJPe.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/DwJw3ke.jpg?1
This is my first polymer framed pistol, so I can not compare it to my others as they're all metal framed. Is this normal wear for such a young pistol? If it's this wore out now, what is the expected life span of the frame? I can't imagine what it will look like after 500, 1,000 or more rounds through it. I like to do a lot of shooting when the weather is nice, I'll certainly be training with this since it is a 'recruit' for a new carry pistol.
Please let me know if this is to be expected, and what options I have to correct or fix this if it is not normal.
All the best,
-<My Name>
In hindsight I should have provided the serial number to them too, just so they could see if any mentions were made from anything in the same batch.
Maybe they'll just give me a black PM9 with night-sights instead? :) (A guy can dream, right? Hahah)
I've dealt with Kahr customer service in the past for an issue that PM9's had around 10 years ago. At that time, Kahr was instructing owners who were experiencing FTF and FTE issues to return the barrels so they could polish the feed ramps and return them. Service was quick and at no cost and I've not had a problem since. I'd give Kahr customer service an A+ rating based on that experience and hope that they will do right by you, root. Good luck and let us know how you make out.
kerby9mm
02-16-2014, 05:08 PM
A little over 2 years ago was my last experience with Kahr CS and after reading posts all this time I will guess that they will tell you all is good since the gun functions as you stated. If you search recent Kahr CS posts on this forum you might get some idea of what to expect.
JERRY
02-16-2014, 05:32 PM
That looks fairly boogered up for so few rounds....
GROTMAN
02-16-2014, 05:32 PM
Love this pic..would make a great avatar! :)
http://i.imgur.com/61GbGVh.jpg?1
Oh yeah, I can have an avatar now. Neat. Luckily I had a flashlight that was tiny enough to fit into the barrel but big enough to not 'fall into it' (so to speak). Fit nicely.
Consider it done. :)
There is no telling how much booger was self inflicted. I know I did a bit of it when trying to reassemble the 2nd PM45, which was tight to start with.
The front of the lower part of the frame looks like its been filed or sanded (with heavy grit). Just smooth that out with 400 g paper to make it look pretty if it bothers you. I guess it does bother you.
The rest - your slide rides on metal..... not poly. The poly is there for aid in assembly. Your pistol runs, but shows wear in places where perhaps.... it just needs to wear some, then wear no more.
Kahr poly is the same as everyone uses - its basically Nylon 66, same as Remington used on that famous plastic rifle of the late 60's and early 70's, and the same as everyone else uses. Its tough stuff.
GROTMAN
02-16-2014, 05:42 PM
Wow..I was only joking but it looks good. If only I could get my wife or dtr to respond like that!!! :D
I may sand it down a tad and 'clean it up', but I think I want to wait until I hear back from Kahr.
Either way, I was getting some sand paper tonight because I was going to start to polish the slide a bit as a personal preference. I want it to be shiny like my current carry piece (http://i.imgur.com/s1gL2vC.jpg?1)
leftysixty
02-17-2014, 02:34 AM
I used to have a pm40 and a cw40. The pm had some plastic shaving during the first 100rds, the cw produced shavings off and on for about 500rds. In both pistols the shaving of plastic was done for ever more.
It is only a cosmetic issue and after break in it stops. It appears that the amount of shaving varies from pistol to pistol.
As Jocko is known to say "shoot it like ya stole it"
muggsy
02-17-2014, 06:40 AM
Kahr has had issues with some of their polymer frames in the past. Kahr had to replace the frame on my P380. In doing so the gun has a new serial number and it can only be returned to you through an FFL which entails a background check and transfer fee. If Kahr suggests that you return the gun request a prepaid mailing label. If for some reason they won't give you one send it back through your local FFL to save on shipping costs.
itsthelaw
02-17-2014, 08:26 AM
That looks a lot more messy than any of the 4 polymer Kahrs that I have had.
getsome
02-17-2014, 02:03 PM
Welcome to Kahrtalk root, While it may be just a cosmetic issue I think yours looks worse than normal to me and I don't think it was from you hand racking the slide either....While the gun may shoot ok if it were mine I wouldn't do anything to either the frame or slide with sandpaper but would have Kahr send you a prepaid label and let them look at it....
Everyone is different but I expect a new expensive pistol to look like it and not like it's been through a torture test...I think something may be out of spec with that frame and would let the Kahr gunsmith look at it and even if they say it's fine and do nothing you will have documented the fact that it had abnormal wear indications when new...
On the flip side they may look at it and say this thing is messed up and send you a new pistol and even if you do have to do another FFL it would be worth it to have the nice new looking pistol you wanted and paid good money for rather that a buggered up ugly duckling that you will keep trying to make look right in your head but can't...
Let us know how this works out for you....I'm interested in what Kahr says about it...
Thanks for the responses everyone... I'll wait for Kahr to respond to my email and will update everyone here with their response.
Still no update from them. I figured Monday CS would be out of the office for the Holiday. Was hoping to get an update today. Hopefully tomorrow... :)
rahmann62
02-18-2014, 08:05 PM
They posted a message on Facebook today that said they had a gas leak in there plant and everything is shut down until Thursday.
With that being said, I have been in contact with them about and issue and it has taken 3-4 days to get a response to each email.
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They posted a message on Facebook today that said they had a gas leak in there plant and everything is shut down until Thursday.
With that being said, I have been in contact with them about and issue and it has taken 3-4 days to get a response to each email.
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Yikes! That's no good. I suspect they'll be quite busy this and next week, then.
deadeye
02-18-2014, 10:39 PM
Took my CM9 out and shot it today. A little over 1500 rounds so far and no wear what so ever. Can't really tell it's been shot. I believe you are right to be concerned.
Thanks guys. After sharing this here, and on my local guns forum (http://ingunowners.com/forums/handguns/334611-can-you-share-photos-wear-your-polymer-frame-after-heavy-use.html) I do believe I expect a replacement to be made now.
I just need Kahr to open back up their operation since they had a gas leak today and for them to get back to me.
Do you think I'll have to send -everything- back? Or just the frame? Either way, I was thinking I'd keep a magazine for the inconvenience and because I am giving them my brand new Talon grips with the frame too, lol!
Someone posted a photo in the other thread of their 1989 Glock 19 who had a great finish internally in it's polymer frame after 25 years and thousands of rounds. I had no idea polymer was so.. strong.
When I see photos of other people's setups and then see mine again, I too know something isn't right.
I hope Kahr fixes it! I'll be very happy and will certainly spread the word on how they corrected an issue.
Hello from INGO :)
Here's what I posted there...
You seem to have some extra flashing but I see no horrible wear...
Here's the same areas on my Wife's CM9, 370 rounds no wear, just fuzz and some stray powder and dirt I missed cleaning...
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/138/pl3o.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/62/6ic4.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/691/siup.jpg
chilltown
02-19-2014, 09:23 AM
I'll try to get pictures up later, but my CM9 looked similar out of the box. Not as "bad" as your's but I found multiple a few loose shavings - like large tags just hanging on. I also noticed a lot of tiny burrs sticking out of various places - most of which has flaked off from shooting- I pulled some off myself with exacto/tweezers. The frame actually looks better now after 200 rounds. I have to say (and this might get me flamed) but compared to my Glock 19 polymer frame - my CM9 frame looks like crap. I also have New Frontier polymer lower (AR15) and it looks way better.
Does it shoot well? - Yes I believe so. I still need to get used to holding the little guy properly, but no failures to speak of. So I'm hoping/believing these are just cosmetic and won't affect the functioning later down the road.
I'm wondering if this is a CM line only deal. Maybe Kahr -instead of tossing the imperfect frames, just call them a CM and only the pretty ones go PM? I say this too because of another frame related issue I had: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22658
Longitude Zero
02-19-2014, 09:29 AM
My CW45 has a couple thousand rounds downrange and looks basically just like the day a I bought it.
gb6491
02-19-2014, 09:59 AM
A quick thought about the forward end of the "poly rails":
it's quite possible to cause wear/damage in that area when installing or removing the top end, perhaps more likely so (IMO) than through actual operation of the pistol.
Regards,
Greg
GEARHEAD_ENG
02-19-2014, 11:09 AM
Welcome to Kahrtalk Root. I'm also on the IN gun owner forum (from Indy).
My CM9 has about 400 rounds down the pipe with very little wear to the frame. Its been a great little gun. Its my main EDC.
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/02/20/uraga2ad.jpg
Keep us updated when you hear from Kahr.
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Thanks everyone!
Nice to see some fellow Hoosiers on here too!
jocko
02-19-2014, 03:19 PM
A quick thought about the forward end of the "poly rails":
it's quite possible to cause wear/damage in that area when installing or removing the top end, perhaps more likely so (IMO) than through actual operation of the pistol.
Regards,
Greg
10-4 on what u said. Most real damage is user fokk up. When u see some slight slivers, on thge frame at the git go, the slide action will soon take care of any high sports in that area and after a few hundred rounds it will all smooth out. OR u can take some very fine 600+ grit paper and just polsih those area. The slide doesnt ride on the polymer frame what so ever, those rasils are ther eto help u guide on the slide and of course if you force aything the steel slide is gonna cut polymer every time. I can tell u I have had my slide off my PMJ9 about 300+ times and there is not a wear mark or groovbe in the polymer frame anywhere. Any high spots in those rails the slide action just took care of it also.
Gregg is dead right.:amflag:
jocko
02-19-2014, 03:20 PM
Thanks everyone!
Nice to see some fellow Hoosiers on here too!
north of Terre Haute:israel: I will be at trhe Indy NRA show, look for ol jocko. I will be wearing a white sheer sheepskin coat:amflag:
north of Terre Haute:israel: I will be at trhe Indy NRA show, look for ol jocko. I will be wearing a white sheer sheepskin coat:amflag:
HAHA! Great. I'm on the opposite side of the state... any further south and you're in Kentucky. Hell, I can see them hillbillies from my back yard! We shout across the river to each other! ;)
I'll be at the NRA show too... Look for me at the bar.
http://www.menuespecial.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/white-russian-lebowski.jpg
EDIT: I've got family in KY so I can call them hillbillys! Haha.
jocko
02-19-2014, 06:32 PM
fokk ur ugly!!! Just sayin what are u drinking a Shirely Temple???
fokk ur ugly!!! Just sayin what are u drinking a Shirely Temple???
Maybe you'll like this more. *runs away* :behindsofa:
http://i.imgur.com/RGuueBM.gif
:D Haha.
chilltown
02-20-2014, 05:45 PM
The tiny white things are dust but you can see where I highlighted in red where the questionable stuff is. Again, this is what it looked like pretty much out of the box. It actually looks better now after 200 rounds.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VS1cDE5H6DY/UwaRVX1KCkI/AAAAAAAAibQ/HzYzEjnxqqs/w462-h821-no/kahrframe1.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-shlYwdBhCIU/UwaRWVRpG2I/AAAAAAAAibY/ATGjBLdpGsg/w1461-h822-no/0220141808a.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DnsOqAPo1-o/UwaQNw95a5I/AAAAAAAAia0/7OPy-DOCi-4/w1461-h822-no/0220141806.jpg
My FDE Glock 19 frame :)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ZPuTDL39ZaM/UwaRUSSoH1I/AAAAAAAAibI/3gnl5q6Vqjo/w1461-h822-no/0220141813.jpg
Should I be concerned also? Or is this just cosmetic stuff?
feedramp
02-20-2014, 05:57 PM
PM9 - over 2000 rounds, no wear to speak of.
Pistol looks great.
What oil or grease do you use ... :ohmy:
Still haven't heard back from. I emailed them again and linked to this thread and my local gun forum thread so that they can see the opinions of others, as well as gave the serial so they can check to see if others have reported the same thing from the same batch. I do appreciate everyone taking the time to comment and share your opinions.
I hope this can be resolved soon. I don't expect a weekend response so will call them Monday. I chose the Kahr because of it's size and previous reputation, ideally I'd like to stick with them but depending on how this is handled I may seek other options too. I really liked the Shield, already have a S&W that I LOVE (as well as S&W vintage signs hanging in my house...)... so, I may seek a Shield later. I don't know. The Kahr is more practical for what I want, it's smaller and easily more concealable and not everyone and their brother has one like a Glock or Shield or XDS...
Anyhow, hoping to be able to put some rounds through it this weekend anyway. I love the feel and function of it. Just not overly convinced it won't look worse after 500+ rounds. Curious to see what another 100+ will do first.
All I see on Chilltown's pictures is mold lines and flashing on what are non-contact, non-wearing surfaces.
Look back at GEARHEAD ENG's picture to see the same mold lines and flashing in the same spots.
Pistol looks great.
What oil or grease do you use ... :ohmy:
Break Free CLP
Well, tomorrow I am going to put more rounds through it so will report back and inspect the polymer then too to see if it worsens.
For fun, here is what has gone through the gun so far:
CM9 round count
# | Brand | Grain
50 Winchester 115gr
45 Federal 115gr
7 Hornady 124gr
(102 total, I know my previous count was wrong)
Tomorrow I am running another 6+1 mag of my carry ammo (Hornady), an entire 50rd box of American Eagle 124gr and then probably a 100 round box of Federal, 115gr.
That'll put her beyond the 'break in' period Kahr recommends and will hopefully give me a better idea of if I can expect the frame to get worse or not.
Just an update: I've still not heard back from Kahr. I emailed CS over two weeks ago. I did send them one additional email follow up quoting my original, but I also added my serial number and phone number where they could reach me (but requested correspondence be done via email).
Still no word back. :(
DavidR
03-01-2014, 05:20 AM
Just an update: I've still not heard back from Kahr. I emailed CS over two weeks ago. I did send them one additional email follow up quoting my original, but I also added my serial number and phone number where they could reach me (but requested correspondence be done via email).
Still no word back. :(
Sorry to hear that. Hang in there, hopefully your issue will be resolved soon.
Rwdrive
03-03-2014, 11:54 AM
Root, you are not the only one with a bad looking new kahr. I have a new pm9 and after 50 rounds it had awful looking polymer. It looked like a poor quality product out of the box. I cleaned it before firing and noticed the rough edges. Looked like someone finished the polymer cutouts and edges with a steak knife. After 50 rounds the rear polymer below the slide was bulging. Sent it in for repair and after 8 weeks it came back. Some rough spots appear a better, like they used something to melt it. They fixed the bulge too. No problem after 50 more rounds but the polymer frame still looks bad with jaggy rough spots. Very poor quality for what I thought was a quality gun. And this is my 3rd poly gun from various manufacturers, and never seen such poor workmanship in manhfacturing before.
RogerP9fan
03-03-2014, 01:50 PM
Man, that's pretty shocking.
fasteddie
03-04-2014, 11:46 PM
I've been trying to get a hold of Kahr myself. Check out the deformations on my p380 at the guide rod seat. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/05/e4ebyzu5.jpg
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I sent them another email yesterday, this time using a form on their website instead of emailing service@kahr.com direct (which was on another page of their site).
I think my original email was sent on the 12th of February. I noticed that when I sent them a message from the form on the website it said it sent to sales@kahr.com instead. Hopefully their sales department is more eager to respond and will get someone from Customer Service to check my previous email.
MBSL500
03-05-2014, 07:22 AM
I sent them another email yesterday, this time using a form on their website instead of emailing service@kahr.com direct (which was on another page of their site).
I think my original email was sent on the 12th of February. I noticed that when I sent them a message from the form on the website it said it sent to sales@kahr.com instead. Hopefully their sales department is more eager to respond and will get someone from Customer Service to check my previous email.
My next step would be to call Kahr's Administration department.
There is an option for that when you call.
Rwdrive
03-05-2014, 10:45 PM
When I got their attention about my problem it was by calling them at(508) 795-3919.
Fasteddie, that's a nasty piece of polymer hanging there. I did not have that issue but that area was very rough an and chewed up looking on mine.
fasteddie
03-06-2014, 10:19 AM
I got a hold of Kahr CS. They gave me an RMA, but wouldn't send me a shipping label.
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I got a hold of Kahr CS. They gave me an RMA, but wouldn't send me a shipping label.
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I got an RMA today. It included some 'return label for the shipment', but I have no idea what to do now.
I have no FedEx store within 50 miles of me. I don't drive, I can't get to one without extreme an amount of effort.
I thought my LGS would send it back to them, I thought they -had- to... So what's this about? What am I supposed to do with a digital label? Isn't it illegal for me to ship it straight to Kahr since it's passing through several states? I thought the labels people were talking about was something to give to the LGS so they can ship it back to the manufacturer without the LGS charging them for the transfer.
I'm confused. I'd email Kahr back but don't wanna wait for another response.
kerby9mm
03-08-2014, 03:22 AM
With my issue in 2011 Fed X came to my house & picked up the gun. All I had to do was package the gun. I had it packaged in the box it came in at my local independent mailing store with a note of my problem inside. I told them I didn't have a computer so they did it the way I described. Fed X also brought it back to me when completed. The crappy gun stores womt help you maybe you bought it from a good one. Once I find out they are crappy I never spend anymore money there.
fasteddie
03-08-2014, 04:19 PM
Well, I'm pretty pissed that it just cost me $75 to ship the gun back to Kahr. I asked them for a shipping label and they said no, despite the fact that they're obviously paying for the shipping for other people.
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kerby9mm
03-08-2014, 05:04 PM
Fast Eddie was your gun malfunctioning? The guide rod actually rests above the barrel lug if gun is upside down like for reassembly on a little line on a flat spot. Did you try to just knock off that piece of plastic.
FCastle88
03-08-2014, 06:04 PM
Well, I'm pretty pissed that it just cost me $75 to ship the gun back to Kahr. I asked them for a shipping label and they said no, despite the fact that they're obviously paying for the shipping for other people.
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Next time find a FFL that will ship the gun back for you. FFLs can use cheaper shipping options that you can't. They usually charge a relatively small fee in addition to shipping, should cost you $30-$40 total.
Well, I'm pretty pissed that it just cost me $75 to ship the gun back to Kahr. I asked them for a shipping label and they said no, despite the fact that they're obviously paying for the shipping for other people.
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How did you word your contact with them? Did you ask them to pay for it?
After posting the photos online I was told that I should send the gun back to Kahr. Please review the emails from these dates and see the photos. I'm requesting that the gun can be sent back to Kahr at your cost because aside from the inconvenience of having to send it back, I'll be losing the $18 Talon grips I put on it. (Though I will admit it was foolish to put them on a new gun without having it properly broken in first). From what I have read as responses to my photos it sounds like the frame will need to be replaced.
I specifically requested it be sent back to them on their dime. Though I don't know how to get it back to them, so... there is that little problem now.
GROTMAN
03-08-2014, 06:16 PM
"After posting the photos online I was told that I should send the gun back to Kahr." This little part may have helped some as well..probably want to avoid a bad rap. If your really want a response just tell em your friends of Jocko ;)
"After posting the photos online I was told that I should send the gun back to Kahr." This little part may have helped some as well..probably want to avoid a bad rap. If your really want a response just tell em your friends of Jocko ;)
I felt a bit like an ass when I said that, but I wanted them to make it right.
I also linked them to this thread and the thread I made on my local gun forum, and will be happy to update each thread once a resolution is made. :)
I get what I want (my gun fixed at their expense), they get what they want (a good review). We both win. :cool:
gpodhk
03-09-2014, 06:39 PM
My PM9 Polymer frame is chipping & getting cut above the slide lock pin hole right side. The left side is fine. It's 1 year old & about 800rds through it. Emailed Kahr this week they sent me a RMA # next day but no shipping label so shipping is my cost there & back maybe they will reimburse me after looking & fixing the pistol ? Looked up UPS & FedEx rules on their web sites both say I can send a pistol to the manufacture & back to my home but must send it overnight both ways $$$ & get an adult to sign for it both spots. Here in Michigan I have to pack it up & take the pistol to one of their (Shipping Centers) & tell them I'm shipping a gun. Not to a strip mall shop or pick up at my house. I would post pics. cant yet. Sending it out Monday post what happens after the fix. I'm sad this happened been getting Kahr bashing since I bought it. Like the little gun shoots great. Used it in some of the pistol classes I took last year surprised people how well it shot.
GEARHEAD_ENG
03-09-2014, 08:53 PM
Go to your local gun store and ask if they can ship it to Kahr. They can box it up and ship USPS, should be around $20. That's something you can't do as an individual.
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fasteddie
03-10-2014, 01:11 PM
I did request a return label, and they told me the pistol (mfg mid 2012) was too old to rate.
Re the malfunction question, the plastic piece was preventing the guide rod from seating properly. And they told me if I cut back the plastic to fix the problem it would void my warranty. http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/nagyhu5u.jpg
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kerby9mm
03-10-2014, 05:20 PM
Kahr's have a 5 year warranty that used to be lifetime. Makes you think. I guess I would have trimmed the excess plastic off & not told them. This forum has made me decide to never buy polymer made by any maker. Glad I never bought one. What to do with your gun Fast Eddie I don't have a clue except sell it to the store you bought it from take a loss & move on.
jocko
03-10-2014, 05:34 PM
not alibiing for kahr here either but they will warranty their guns but no where in any warranty information have I ever read where they are RESPONSIBLE for picking up ur gun on their dime. Most of the time when the gun is relatively new they will do so but after a few years, I would expect them to not do so. Just sayin they will about every time pay to return ur gun. Some have stated and it is best IMO to take it to a ffl dealer and let him send it back. it is alot cheaper for them to do it, than getting ripped off by Fed X.
Ihave sent back over the year quite a few HIGH SPEED HOLE PUNCHES. to gun makers, Just sayin
fasteddie
03-10-2014, 05:36 PM
I wish I'd have thought of that when FedEx asked me what was in the box!
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jocko
03-10-2014, 05:51 PM
broken high speed hole punch... I should have said.
Also I never address a gun like to Kahr arms either.
K. A. and their address is suffice. IMO FedXis just ripping off the consumer with this practice, hell a dealer or any ffl holder cna send it back right through regular mail. WTF. Just sayin
I have shipped many oer theyears rgular UPS and they have never aksed ever, and I thinkI never paid more that $15 eiter
By the way. Ol Jocko willbe getting out of federal prison the 5th of June:Amflag2::Amflag2:
By the way. Ol Jocko willbe getting out of federal prison the 5th of June:Amflag2::Amflag2:
I thought you said they were your sheep? What a man does to his own sheep is his business... :angel:
Been a busy week. Haven't had a chance to send mine back yet. FedEx will pick it up at my house and send it off to them. I have a new holster coming in today that will probably replace my N82 Tactical... It's comfortable but only if I wear it in a position that doesn't conceal as well as it could. It conceals very well in a position that isn't as comfortable. What's a man to do? Buy more holsters, of course. After I fit it and make sure it works well with a new holster I'll send it back and go back to my 4566. That baby will never fail me. I'll carry the Kahr when it gets back to me and after putting 500+ rounds through it. I've been stocking up on 9mm like mad even though it's the only 9mm gun I have... and I've only shot it once. Ol' root is gonna have a fun time at the range when I get it back.
Tinman507
03-12-2014, 05:57 AM
I thought you said they were your sheep? What a man does to his own sheep is his business... :angel:
http://i1147.photobucket.com/albums/o542/tinman507/sheep-pen_zps1a3e3252.jpg
fasteddie
03-14-2014, 12:01 PM
Just got off the phone w/ Kahr. 4-6 week turnaround right now. Not happy.
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MBSL500
03-14-2014, 01:16 PM
Just got off the phone w/ Kahr. 4-6 week turnaround right now. Not happy.
But when you finally get your gun back, just remember to shoot the fokker like you stole it.
GEARHEAD_ENG
03-14-2014, 02:13 PM
Just got off the phone w/ Kahr. 4-6 week turnaround right now. Not happy.
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Look at the bright side.. its not a Keltec with a 12 month turnaround.
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100percent
03-15-2014, 11:27 AM
The plastic above the trigger was rough on my PM40 when I purchased it used. I tracked it to the recoil spring retainer brim. Mine was rough along the edge. I have polished it and no more wear.
gpodhk
03-20-2014, 10:52 PM
$75 to ship both ways
My PM9 Polymer frame is chipping & getting cut above the slide lock pin hole right side. The left side is fine. It's 1 year old & about 800rds through it. Emailed Kahr this week they sent me a RMA # next day but no shipping label so shipping is my cost there & back maybe they will reimburse me after looking & fixing the pistol ? Looked up UPS & FedEx rules on their web sites both say I can send a pistol to the manufacture & back to my home but must send it overnight both ways $$$ & get an adult to sign for it both spots. Here in Michigan I have to pack it up & take the pistol to one of their (Shipping Centers) & tell them I'm shipping a gun. Not to a strip mall shop or pick up at my house. I would post pics. cant yet. Sending it out Monday post what happens after the fix. I'm sad this happened been getting Kahr bashing since I bought it. Like the little gun shoots great. Used it in some of the pistol classes I took last year surprised people how well it shot.
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