Have the Stand Your Ground laws gone to far

[Allen]

In today's news paper one of the Newspaper Enterprise Assn's editors seems to think the states with these laws have effectively issued a license to kill, automatically presuming the victim is guilty and the perpetrator is innocent. Quoting the instances with George Zimmerman, Michael Dunn, and Willie Noble (a Little Rock instance I didn't know about), where the laws justified the killing of "children" (but maybe out-of-control gangs or thugs might be a better description).
Even without weapons, one person confronted by several individuals whether they are 15 or 25 could very well be in fear of his life. I often wonder what any of these name calling do-gooders would have done in the place of either one of the above individuals.
I may be on the wrong track, but it might seem if more states passed laws like this it would make more of these groups of bored individuals looking for excitement or fun think twice about who they would be attacking.
I keep wondering what I might have done in any of the above situations, but hoping I never have to make that decision.

[Longitude Zero]

As far as I have read the states that have passed these statutes have seen a reduction in violent personal crime. In my city when you have a Castle Law shooting the home burglaries drop noticeably for a few weeks as self preservation takes center stage for the turds. Sadly mistakes and flat out ignorance shootings do occur. You cannot legislate stupidity out of existence.


Disparity of force shootings as in when you have multiple offenders who might not be armed with a weapon(s) are very rare but recognized as legitimate uses of force.

[bob98366]

Since "stand your ground" was not used by the defense in either Zimmerman or Dunn (don't know anything about Noble), I think the editor making these remarks is a factually challenged idiot making up stuff from whole cloth for his agenda.

[Selcouth]

Since "stand your ground" was not used by the defense in either Zimmerman or Dunn (don't know anything about Noble), I think the editor making these remarks is a factually challenged idiot making up stuff from whole cloth for his agenda.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Stand your ground had nothing to do with either case. It gets old hearing people refer to them when they obviously have no desire to learn the facts of a case.

[JohnR]

No, the law has done what it was intended to do, protect victims and allow them to defend themselves without fear of legal backlash. Media people with an agenda have gone too far in claiming it means something it doesn't.

[muggsy]

I'm too old to fight and too crippled to run, but I can still do seven pound curls with my index finger. If threatened I will defend myself regardless of the law. I managed to become an old man by not messing with any old men. Don't mess with me. The liberal press may have an agenda, but so do I.

[knkali]

I'm too old to fight and too crippled to run, but I can still do seven pound curls with my index finger. If threatened I will defend myself regardless of the law. I managed to become an old man by not messing with any old men. Don't mess with me. The liberal press may have an agenda, but so do I.

FukknA Muggs. I wouldn't mess with ya


Disparity of force...sounds good on paper but has it ever been tested in court?

[Longitude Zero]

Kinda. In my locale many years ago before SYG and such an 18 year old kid tried to mug a man in a wheelchair. The man pulled a gun and killed the punk. It was declared justifiable homicide. I am aware of a few more but need to check out the facts so I get the quote right. Disparity of force cases do exist but their is not a lot of them.

[Bawanna]

You think if an 18 year old punk tried to mug me it would be a disparity of force?

[knkali]

You think if an 18 year old punk tried to mug me it would be a disparity of force?





before or after he was shot in the face?

[Bawanna]

before or after he was shot in the face?

That's really the question isn't it? I've role played in a few academy scenario days, damn it was fun.

[hardluk1]

The stand your ground law A great law But it will be tesedt by twisted lawyers out to get there sometimes worthless clients off a charge the other wise might leave them with a heavy jail sentence.

[muggsy]

FukknA Muggs. I wouldn't mess with ya


Disparity of force...sounds good on paper but has it ever been tested in court?

Disparity of force is a self defense justification used by defense attorneys. Whether or not the defense works is determined by how it's presented and how a jury accepts, or rejects it. I learned about it from the Armed Citizen's Legal defense Network, Inc. It goes to how a reasonable and prudent man would react in a similar situation.

[Bawanna]

Reasonable and prudent, crap all my dreams down the toilet just that quick.

[Armybrat]

before or after he was shot in the face?

I would think Bawanna was more of a center mass kinda guy.

[RevRay]

Fortunately, it's not a reasonable & prudent Piers Morgan or Michael Bloomberg.

[Longitude Zero]

You think if an 18 year old punk tried to mug me it would be a disparity of force?


If your butt was in a wheelchair then yes.

[downtownv]

I forget which Black Comedienne said it but was something to the effect of self defense and the perp took 3 to the back! hmmmm.

[jocko]

Disparity of force is a self defense justification used by defense attorneys. Whether or not the defense works is determined by how it's presented and how a jury accepts, or rejects it. I learned about it from the Armed Citizen's Legal defense Network, Inc. It goes to how a reasonable and prudent man would react in a similar situation.

disparity??? Jsut sayin:86:

[Longitude Zero]

Complaining about shots to the back is only made by pole puffers who are ignorant of the reality of shooting dynamics,. Everytime I hear this crap about shots to the back I know beyond doubt that the poster is completely and totally ignorant of a use of force dynamic. When a so called LEO makes such stupid comments I know beyond doubt thay are a keyboard command and have no real work experience in use of force dynamnics. CASE CLOSED!!!

[Bawanna]

If your butt was in a wheelchair then yes.

It is and has been for 19 years coming this May. Too long to not climb every mountain.

I use the chair as a disparity of force, I can carry more weapons and ammo.

[yqtszhj]

I use the chair as a disparity of force, I can carry more weapons and ammo.

That's exactly what I was thinking. Unfortunately that potential young punk will think you're a target but will find out to their surprise you're not.

[TheTman]

Agreeing with Muggsy, there comes a point in your life where you are too old to run, and too old to take a butt kickin, or whatever abuse is headed your way, so what else can we do but stand our ground? Like my one good friend that broke his back as a firefighter, when he fell through a burning floor, and later broke his neck when he was working for the phone company and his spikes cut out of a rotting pole. A good punch to his jaw could either kill him or leave him paralyzed from the neck down. (this knock-out game really freaks him out, fortunately it's not a common thing in this area yet, but has happened) Circumstances leave us with little choice, but to "Stand our ground", whether it's state law or not. Now my friend if anything, could possibly get charged with "brandishing", as he isn't shy about letting suspicious acting people know that he is armed. You know the type, the ones that make the hairs on your neck stand up.

[Longitude Zero]

As a general rule if he can articulate his fear of harm and his medical condition he might be detained but I doubt he will be taken into custody.