SMOG laws and GUN laws

[knkali]

This could be in subforums: politics, RKBA, General--up to mods


I remember in the 80's in Kalifornia that when you bought a new car, it had to have "special" smog equipment on it to be sold here in Kalifornia. It cost more money for the same car in Kalifornia because of this too. Well, other states probably said that the people in Kalifornia are crazy, nutjobs and glad they don't have to put up with this nonsense. Guess what? Eventually all other states followed Kalifornia in the smog requirements and all states now have cars similarly equipped.


So where does this fit in with guns? Simple. Kalifornia has a list of DOJ approved guns for sale. Most of us here didn't like the idea of the list, but we could get most of what we wanted to buy. Now, this DOJ list coming back to bite us in ways that we thought were possible but always hoped it wouldn't. For a gun to be sold in Kalifornia, the manufacturer has to pay $ to have it "tested" so it can be "approved" for sale here--be on the list. It isn't cheap either. If any change is made to the gun for any reason, this model would need to be "recertified/approved" to be sold in Kalifornia--to be on the list.


What a beautiful web the grabbers weaved here in this state. Now the State wants each gun sold here to have micro stamping on the firing pin. This has dubious validity to why but nonetheless, it is now required. Since this requires a change to the gun, the manufacturer has to $ for approval of the new design to be sold in Kalifornia and the manufacturer has to $ to have the tooling done to meet the new requirement. Obviously, many gun makers will not comply.


Because of this, many manufacturers are letting their DOJ approvals lapse on the gun models approved for sale here in Kalifornia. We are losing many guns each month because of these carefully crafted, convoluted requirement(s) In fact the Kahr P45 is scheduled to fall off the list in Sept of this year.


Also with current laws and restrictions, one cannot buy a gun from another state and legally register it here. So you are trapped if you want a gun.


So there you have it. Gun control via a backdoor route. Eventually, there will be no guns for sale in Kalifornia. Slow, progressive control that, attacks your 2A rights on many fronts.


I know many here don't give a sheet about what happens in Kalifornia and think we should all fall into the ocean or have other terrible things happen to us. I am not expecting those sentiments to change. Instead, I am writing this to warn others in "free" states that what happened here, could happen to you too. Remember the smog requirements....


The above is a loose interpretation of events but accurate enough to illustrate the potential of what could happen to you. Be vigilant!

[Bawanna]

I wish you and Old Lincoln and his missus would get out, your making me feel bad.

The whole SMOG BS was just that BS. Cars that don't run, get lousy mileage and cost more to boot. Then make it a law that you have to get tested to renew your license. I'm fortunate that I'm out of town enough I no longer have to do that stuff but I hated it. Costly, time consuming and to no benefit.

Some will argue that if everyone else creates these same approved gun list that maybe the manufacturers would be willing to make the necessary changes to comply, I surely hope not. I hope not a single one complies or caves in like Smith did a few years ago.

[knkali]

we have a small hope that the courts will step in because we can now show the unconstitutional damage the DOJ list and the less than valid reason for micro stamping are causing, but I do not have much hope. While the list was enough, the AG argued that enough guns were available so that commerce was not being interrupted and any argument was stifled. Higher courts would not hear the case and referred back to the State supreme courts. (I believe this is accurate--please tell me if not)

[muggsy]

Every freedom that is taken away from you is taken in the name of protecting you from yourself. We have met the enemy and it is liberal socialism.

[Bawanna]

That was a good post you deleted knkali. Should have left it.

[knkali]

I wasn't sure of the facts but it does sort of show how we got to this level.

[knkali]

If you can find it and want to put it up, go ahead

[Longitude Zero]

Different subjects different epochs. With the plethora of states that have quantified the Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground I don't see any chance of turning back.

[Bawanna]

we have a small hope that the courts will step in because we can now show the unconstitutional damage the DOJ list and the less than valid reason for micro stamping are causing, but I do not have much hope. While the list was enough, the AG argued that enough guns were available so that commerce was not being interrupted and any argument was stifled. Higher courts would not hear the case and referred back to the State supreme courts. (I believe this is accurate--please tell me if not)

Many aren't concerned about accurate or facts, only what they believe. So don't lose any sleep over accuracy.

[knkali]

here is the link to the DOJ roster and the date that a gun falls off it. You can see a lot will be going away soon
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

[knkali]

a visual of the situation
http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/cgf_roster-info-1.png

[TheTman]

As far as the Smog controls on cars, I thought that was due to the EPA's interference, and not the states.
I'm a bit surprised they don't require each casing or bullet or both to have a serial number on it, and track who buys which range of serial numbers. Hope I'm not giving gun grabbers any new ideas here. I suppose it boils down to where would you want to have to spend extra money on, the gun with the microstamping ability, or the ammunition, and what the added cost would be for either route. I suppose I would be for altering the firearms, since most of us tend to buy way more ammo, than new guns. I wouldn't doubt that both become a reality in some states.

[knkali]

As far as the Smog controls on cars, I thought that was due to the EPA's interference, and not the states.
I'm a bit surprised they don't require each casing or bullet or both to have a serial number on it, and track who buys which range of serial numbers. Hope I'm not giving gun grabbers any new ideas here. I suppose it boils down to where would you want to have to spend extra money on, the gun with the microstamping ability, or the ammunition, and what the added cost would be for either route. I suppose I would be for altering the firearms, since most of us tend to buy way more ammo, than new guns. I wouldn't doubt that both become a reality in some states.



Ammo is next


Don't you know that after you shoot someone, you are supposed to leave a DNA sample, urine sample, feces sample and your business card with email address at the scene?

[Bawanna]

Yes but only the law abiding will do that, criminals will still be criminals. I can see it now. What are you in for? Failure to leave a business card at a shooting.

[Planedude]

The Feds already tried to track the data of who was buying ammo from who and how much. They had a whole system set up, you had to show an ID and sign a log book, be of age, not be a criminal etc....


It died for the best reason ever, it was USELESS (and expensive). The info sat unused, cops didn't want it, prosecutors couldn't use it. so we got rid of the process altogether.


So if you see this rise again, know that the left have hit one of their favorite subjects once again...


Recycling.


Peace out

[Longitude Zero]

Ammo is next.


Oversimplification and not likely.

[downtownv]

here is the link to the DOJ roster and the date that a gun falls off it. You can see a lot will be going away soon
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/
Holy mollie!-I looked up Sig and virtually, they are all destined to be banned! :75:
I bet you you can buy ANY of these models in So Central LA!:crazy:

[Longitude Zero]

This is why I have always believed that ALL Komifornicators west of the San Adreas Fault are subhumanoids not deserving of survival. Exterminate them ALL!!!!

[knkali]

Oversimplification and not likely.


California Assembly Bill 760 would impose a 5 cent tax on EACH cartridge or component of ammunition. It is currently stalled in the Assembly Tax Committee.

Senate Bill 53 would require a permit to purchase ammunition, require a thumbprint for each purchase, and ban online sales. It has cleared the Senate and is currently being heard in the Assembly Committee on Appropriations.

There was also AB 48, but that more limits ammunition vendors. There's currently no bill that I know of that imposes a waiting period for purchasing ammunition.

[Longitude Zero]

Then move or work to change the laws. The Sooner Nation is always looking for good citizens and you would be welcomed. The correct answer is to move. Just because a bill is proposed is no guarantee that it will pass. That is true in normal states and not in the land of lick boots. You are not included in that personification knkali.


Stalled being the operative word.

[knkali]

Then move or work to change the laws. The Sooner Nation is always looking for good citizens and you would be welcomed. The correct answer is to move. Just because a bill is proposed is no guarantee that it will pass. That is true in normal states and not in the land of lick boots. You are not included in that personification knkali.


Stalled being the operative word.
Thanks Amigo. I AM OUT of here as soon as I can. Changing the laws would require a modicum of intelligence in our voters.....there isn't any.

[TheTman]

Colorado is what you end up with when the Kalifornicators start moving east. Colorado used to be pretty solidly conservative, except in the Denver and Boulder regions, Now it's just a mess, with Kalifornicators moving into the Denver Area, and having vacation homes near all the biggest ski resorts. They've had quite an impact on the politics there. CO needs to pass a law that only citizens born in that state can hold any office above dog-catcher. knkali, you are exempt from all that. And we can't blame CA alone for Colorado's change, it is also quite a magnet for New Yorkers, or at least it was back in the 80's and 90's. I still have a boatload of relatives living there, and they are none too happy about what is going on in their state.

[Longitude Zero]

CO has always been uber liberal in the Front Range for decades. Now as you move further west from the Denver-Colorado Springs-Pueblo corridor it gets more and more conservative the farthest west you go.

[AJBert]

I'll have to disagree with Colorado Springs being ultra liberal for decades, or even today. Too many military bases there with too many retired military folks. Most military folks and their family and friends are not even close to being liberals.

[Longitude Zero]

I'll have to disagree with Colorado Springs being ultra liberal for decades, or even today. Too many military bases there with too many retired military folks. Most military folks and their family and friends are not even close to being liberals.


Sadly they are in the minority. My cousin lives there and has for decades. Liberal lick boots infest the political system far more than conservatives.