Still No availability in Mass [Archive]

aray

05-27-2010, 09:51 AM

I tried for two months to get a CW9 in Maryland. Tried lots of different outlets. No luck. A couple of the dealers were kind enough to share the distributors' status with me and they all had zero inventory too. I finally gave up and got a used CW9.

I think Kahr has a supply/demand issue they need to work through...

merrell

05-27-2010, 03:32 PM

Budsgunshop.com has both in stock

AFVet

05-27-2010, 03:45 PM

Collectors in Stoneham says they have 4 with night sights and 1 without. Or at least their web inventory says they do. I bought my Seecamp there and the prices always seem competitive. If I had to guess, I'd say about $850 with nights and $760 without.

The Collector's Gallery, Inc. (http://www.collectorsguns.com)

Bawanna

05-27-2010, 03:50 PM

Budsgunshop.com has both in stock

Did they have the Mass compliant one? I checked there when I saw the original post and I didn't see one. I think he has to have the added little thumb safety and a whole bunch of writing and warnings. I hope your right and they have some. A lot of people will be very happy if they do.

DKD

05-27-2010, 04:27 PM

Heck guys I found a bunch of them last weekend in Florida. Most places want list pricing, but I got mine standard model sights in stainless steel for less than $ 605.00 out the door, that included 7% Florida Sales tax and a $ 5.00 background check fee. IF it doesn't have to be MA compliant, but the store I got it from must of had at least ten of them including night sights and DLC finishes available.
I did have to drive 90 miles from my home to the East Coast of Florida to get that deal but I saved over $ 220.00 in the process. This Gun Shop does alot of Kahr Sales and is authorized to do minor smithing work on Kahrs in house. They also give a lifetime garranty to boot on them to the original owner. Just can't beat that! :D The gun shop has a web site and will ship orders to another FFL, all you have to do is send them a Fax copy of you local dealer to receive the gun and pay your dealer a small fee and a $ 10.00 shipping fee{Transfer fee from $25.00- $ 35.00}
Just Google B&H Gun Rack in Merritt Island, Florida and they can hook you up.

I have bought several Kahrs from them and I am quite happy I did.

AFVet

05-27-2010, 04:37 PM

Yes, our socialist overlords in MA require useless safeties and literature in order to sell new weapons through an FFL. Now, if you can find a private party living in MA with the weapon you want, that's a totally different story. :D

Bawanna

05-27-2010, 05:01 PM

KAHR PM9 9MM NITE SITES MA. COMPLIANT NIB : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=171118810)

Found this one currently on gunbroker but unless it comes with a lifetime supply of ammo the guy likes it way too much. The search continues.

mrsig239

05-27-2010, 06:18 PM

I got mine from a gun shop in North Adams, Ma. He was supposed to have a few more in stock at the time. I got mine at the Marlboro gun show. Not sure if he has a web site or not. Can't remember the name either. Gettin old sucks!

AFVet

05-27-2010, 07:30 PM

I got mine from a gun shop in North Adams, Ma.

I bet it was Pete's Gun Shop. ;)

joshh

05-28-2010, 11:56 AM

just went to a dealer who had one on display but would only take a deposit for one when his next order comes in. Needless to say after finally handling a pm9 i plopped down the $100 with the hopes of it coming in soon. We'll see. Im on the "waiting list" with three other shops too but this was 1st place ive even seen one in person so i felt ok with the deposit. A friend came along just for the ride & he put a deposit as well and another customer who was looking at a pps saw us & went for the pm9 deposit instead! 3 guns in 5 minutes = not too bad.

merrell

05-28-2010, 01:32 PM

Did they have the Mass compliant one? I checked there when I saw the original post and I didn't see one. I think he has to have the added little thumb safety and a whole bunch of writing and warnings. I hope your right and they have some. A lot of people will be very happy if they do.
My bad....didn't think about Mass.....

joshh

05-28-2010, 06:29 PM

the writing and chambered round indicator actually dont look nearly as bad in person as they do in photos. as far as the safety goes it was a feature my friend and the other guy who bought one liked over the pps without a safety. both are newbie carriers & are afraid to shoot their d*ck off.. lol. the safety slides up very smoothly and because of it they were allowed to use a lighter & smoother trigger pull.

AFVet

05-28-2010, 07:25 PM

I was actually concerned the chambered round indicator would be distracting, but it doesn't stick up enough to be visible when shooting.

Bawanna

05-28-2010, 07:29 PM

I was actually concerned the chambered round indicator would be distracting, but it doesn't stick up enough to be visible when shooting.

I would have no issue with the chambered round indicator, I actually kind of like those myself. I could do without all the writing and the manual safety isn't asthetically pleasing to me but if it means owning one or not owning one I could live with it. I sure wouldn't give an inch in Mass. You got more than enough insane laws there. Things have got to get better for ya, can't get much worse. We're routing for ya.

AFVet

05-28-2010, 07:34 PM

You got more than enough insane laws there.

Tell me about it. I give big props to Kahr for putting up with the morass of insane MA laws to give us a sweet little gun. Most manufacturers have abandoned the MA market. I'm really rooting for Kahr to do well in the hopes they'll offer more.

Bawanna

05-28-2010, 07:43 PM

Tell me about it. I give big props to Kahr for putting up with the morass of insane MA laws to give us a sweet little gun. Most manufacturers have abandoned the MA market. I'm really rooting for Kahr to do well in the hopes they'll offer more.

Hopefully Kahr will do well there but more importantly hopefully people in Mass will remember them when you clean out your state government and do away with the insanity. Maybe CA will drop off at the fault line, then we can work on national gun laws or lack there of all together. Keep all the common sense guns laws, (there must be at least 1) and pickle the rest.
I'm glad Kahr went to the effort in your behalf and hopefully they'll come out with a few more models to hold you folks over.

joshh

05-28-2010, 08:32 PM

its a pretty sad situation we have here but we do have Gun Owners Action League for mass (Gun Owners' Action League - GOAL.org - "Protecting Your Freedom Begins Here" (http://www.goal.org)) and support for gun rights is becoming more and more widespread. hopefully things will get better. its good to see a local company like kahr building a great product for us. hope to see more products that fit mass requirements. we have alot of good manufacturers in new england and its a shame that a handful of liberals make it so we cant purchase their products. i'd love to see that p380 approved but i should worry about getting my pm9 1st...

doubloon

05-28-2010, 10:21 PM

Champion Firearms might, I don't know if they'll ship.

Champion Firearms - Kahr Arms (http://championfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=41&Itemid=67)

joshh

05-30-2010, 08:10 AM

most online retailers wont ship a newer pistol into mass. cant say i blame em... also, the few online dealers with the ma/ca compliant pm9 are getting top dollar for them. guess the best i can do is hope this dealer gets his order in asap.

joshh

06-04-2010, 07:57 AM

update... one week since deposit & still no luck... heard a dealer does have one on other side of state but he wants 899 for it. theres a gun show this weekend though so maybe i'll have luck there.

wyntrout

06-04-2010, 09:09 AM

Good luck, Josh. I hope that you luck out. With all of the irons Kahr has in the fire, demand is probably going to exceed supply for a long time. People snap up items like that and mark them up like scalpers with tickets.
Wynn

joshh

06-04-2010, 09:55 AM

thanks wyn. my friend called every dealer listed on kahrs site for mass & most of them had at least 1 in stock. mostly the night site versions for $850+ which i cant justify spending seeing my glock was $499. they all said that orders are now coming in more regularly so hopefully the factory will keep pumping these out to us. its soo frustrating that i can drive 10 minutes to karhs front door but cant get their products for 6+ months now...

wyntrout

06-04-2010, 12:43 PM

Yes, I can see that's very frustrating. It would be nice if they could help the local community get their products!
That's about what I paid for my PM45 DLC with N/S shipped to my FFL dealer. And that included an extra magazine (6-round with extended grip) AND a Kahr cap. This was my long-time dream gun, though. It retails for $1022 without the third magazine.
Kahr having to re-tool to make all of these "state-compliant" guns, takes away from producing the other models and low supply and high demand will hurt all of us... just like the designer gas formulas required all over the country cause higher prices and shortages as they shift blends to take care of whimsical state and local special formulations.
Again, good luck. I hope your wait is a short one, AND you get one they QC'd properly.
I need to get a letter and pictures off to Ian at Kahr Customer Service about my P380, and a possible second trip to the mothership.
Take care and stay optimistic.
Wynn:D

MaxStravinsky

06-04-2010, 12:54 PM

I bought a PM9 without nightsights at Bob's Original Indoor Shooting Range in Salisbury, MA for $755, 2 or 3 weeks ago. They had one left after mine, with nightsights (about $100 more), and my shooting buddy bought it. You might want to give them a call to see when they expect more in

Bawanna

06-04-2010, 01:40 PM

KAHR PM9 9MM NITE SITES MA. COMPLIANT NIB : Semi-auto at GunBroker.com (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=172202511)

This is the only compliant gun on gunbroker right now and with a buy now of over 1,000 I suspect his reserve will be way beyond reasonable. Just wanted you to know we're looking for you. I'm the king of all things impatient and I hate to see you sitting on a waiting list.
In your place I'd probably camp out on Kahrs front steps and grab an employee as he leaves and see if he can grease the skids for ya. Heck I'd probably try to get on as a custodian or something so I could get an employee discount. If you do that and it works remember who your best friend is. It's spelled Bawanna and he thinks you da man!

mike4400

06-04-2010, 02:45 PM

I feel your pain! I'm in TX so the safety is not a legal requirement but is a marital requirement. My wife wont let me carry a gun w/o a safety :o. I have been looking for a 9193 for several months.

Bud's had the PM9193N (ext safety + night sights) in stock for $830 for about 3 hours this morning. I registered for the "notify me when it comes in" thing about a month ago. Got the email at 9am. Order completed at 9:30am. Sold out again by noon :(.

The good news..... my wait is over! :) PM9193N is on the way.

My advice - register on all of the gun sites for that "let me know when you get one" feature and then be prepared to pounce when you get the email.

mrsig239

06-04-2010, 07:14 PM

Gun show this weekend at the Big E in W.Springfield Ma. There are out of state dealers there who might have a compliant one.

jocko

06-05-2010, 05:56 AM

joshh

06-05-2010, 08:21 AM

thanks every1. max, i called bobs & they were sold out but are expecting more. The price i got for the pm9 with standard sights i have on deposit is $735 cash. how do you like the pm9? lol on workin for kahr bawanna. i called them & they wont let anyone in their facility. we arent even allowed to drop a gun off there for service, it has to be shipped. jocko, my buddy fell for the pm9 because of the external safety. we went to the gun shop to pick up a new walther pps for him & so i could check out the pm9 & he instantly jumped on the kahr bandwagon. the trigger pull & feel of the kahr is superior. all that being said i am headed to springfield gun show as soon as i get out of work today. we'll see what happens

MaxStravinsky

06-05-2010, 10:59 AM

I've put a little over 100 rounds through my pm9 so far, using the cheap Federal stuff from Walmart. Haven't had a bit of trouble. Followed the video on the Kahr website for disassembling and cleaning. Had a little trouble getting the slide pin in correctly - (if you can't rack the slide, you know it's not in the right positon) just took a little lining up to correct it. Bought a highnoon iwb holster, 'Split Decision' for under $40 shipped. I'm very happy with it.

I shot my friend's pm9 with Corbon hollow points - VERY big kick with those.
Good luck - I think you'll be happy with it when you finally get one.

O'Dell

06-05-2010, 11:01 AM

Actually, I wouldn't mind having a Kahr with a manual safety. I'm not giving up my CW9 or Pm45 to get one, but safeties are fairly rare on modern pistols. I'm used to them because my first pistol was a Hi-Power, and I shot a 1911 on a team in the 60's and 70's. My first gun w/o a safety was a SIG in the 80's, and I had been shooting for over 20 years at that point. The oldest design of my 8 active pistols was the mid-90's, so only 3 have safeties. [I don't count the grip safety on my XD 45 but I like having it] I still swipe off the thumb safety on my non-so equipped guns before I shoot.

joshh

06-05-2010, 08:32 PM

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joshh

06-05-2010, 08:39 PM

jlottmc

06-05-2010, 08:42 PM

Congrats there. Read jocko's proper prep thread, and you'll have a great companion for many years to come. Shoot a bunch, shoot it a bunch more, rinse and repeat.

Bawanna

06-05-2010, 10:39 PM

GOT ONE!!!!! Worth the trip! $770 cash out the door with tax from a great dealer who actually sells guns from his home & lives the next town over from me! Great guy & Def. gonna do more business with him. Only bad news is my friend had to watch me buy the only one he had :-( but he's gonna call when he gets another. Soo many things to do now: pocket holster, iwb holster, homemade ballistic tests (my 1st 9mm lol), teardown & fresh cleaning, etc...

Heck yes! Outstanding. What about your deposit on the other one, can you get that back or apply it to your buddy. Don't matter, your baby is home. Take care of it and it will take care of you.

joshh

06-05-2010, 11:30 PM

shop said i could use my deposit as a store credit but think i'll see if i can apply to my friends & he can give me cash. if not, i'm sure i wont struggle to spend $100 in a well stocked gun shop... just hope my friends comes soon. cant wait to put some rounds down field.

mrsig239

06-06-2010, 03:27 AM

All right! Glad to hear you found one. These are like a needle in a hay stack around here. Good hunting. Hope your buddy finds one soon. I will be going to the gun show today. Going to look for a new holster for my 1911.

joshh

06-06-2010, 08:47 AM

did a teardown & cleaning & lube. ready to shoot. only problem i've noticed is the extended magazine doesnt completely eject. it comes out about 1/2 way then i have to remove it by hand. the short mag shoots right out as expected. maybe the other will after a while? oh well. cant wait to shoot. maybe today

mrsig239

06-06-2010, 09:26 AM

Just leaving the show. They have two more PM9s here today.
Petes and tombstone have 1each.

AFVet

06-06-2010, 09:35 AM

$735 is a pretty good price for the MA compliant standard sight PM9 from what I've seen. Doubt you'd find it cheaper until the initial demand dies down a bit.

wyntrout

06-06-2010, 09:49 AM

Congratulations, Josh. I went to the local show here yesterday and kept an eye out for one of those. I didn't see any Kahrs with safeties, nor very many Kahrs. The PM9s were running about $780 plain SS slide with NS and $800 DLC, no NS. I saw one P9 DLC for $800. CWs were $450 to $500. SS slide (no DLC) P380s were $630. Of course, dickering for discounts was in effect.:D
I only sold one box of ammo and bought some "lint-free" patches for cleaning... pretty disappointing show for me.
Wynn

wyntrout

06-06-2010, 10:01 AM

But John Kerry is a "War Hero", if you ask him. I wish they would release his REAL military records... he must have gotten some kind of slap on the wrist for dashing off to Paris to help the North Vietnamese as a "useful idiot" and TRAITOR... considering he was still "in the Navy" and his actions were completely unauthorized and detrimental to US negotiations with our enemies. He got all of that expunged or buried. Being a US Senator helps with stuff like that.
Thank God and the Vets who kept HIM from becoming our president.
Wynn

jlottmc

06-06-2010, 11:58 AM

So what's the excuse for the one we have in office? I'll stop and go do some work before I get riled up. Sorry.

joshh

06-06-2010, 08:58 PM

my friend got one today too! one of the companies at the show we talked to yesterday called him this am so he picked up a new pm9 & a used ruger mark2 for a great deal. we just got back from range & put 100 rounds of thru each pm9 with zero issues. the more i shot it the more i liked it...

joshh

06-06-2010, 09:08 PM

im going to try and refrain from too much politics here but i will say i dont like or trust ANY of them. too many people rely on the government to live and that gives the politicians all the power. the real TAXPAYERS are not represented! taxation without representation, sound familiar?
dont hate mass. there are plenty of PATRIOTS around here that are trying to be heard, ask scott brown.

jlottmc

06-07-2010, 06:30 AM

That may be the wisest of ideas there joshh, avoid the politics entirely. We can get rather riled up around here. Then again, why not it's good to clear the air sometimes too.

mrsig239

06-07-2010, 09:48 AM

Like Josh says there are still some of us here behind the
lines trying to fight the fight.

Bawanna

06-07-2010, 09:51 AM

Like Josh says there are still some of us here behind the
lines trying to fight the fight.

You folks on the inside have our support on the outside. Most of the more notable patriots came from your neck of the woods, not sure exactly when it all went wrong but we're there for ya and support your efforts to make things right.

wyntrout

06-07-2010, 10:00 AM

Who keeps re-electing Bahny Fwanks??
Wynn:D

joshh

06-07-2010, 08:26 PM

i dont know anyone who has ever voted (or is willing to admit it) for barney frank. like i said all the nontaxpayers and unions come out of the woodwork and vote for the liberals who consistently give them more handouts and take away more liberty. its a shame but thats what happens when the people dependent on the government outnumber the taxpayers! this is a problem thats spreading to other states (like california) as well and those states become "liberal"... i hate politics! too many politicians trying to tell us whats best for us. freedom?

mrsig239

06-08-2010, 12:49 PM

The govenor won by around 80% but everyone you talk to
says they didn't. vote for him...go figure.

Bawanna

06-08-2010, 01:15 PM

The govenor won by around 80% but everyone you talk to
says they didn't. vote for him...go figure.

Must be a trend, I can't find a single person that admits to voting for nobama. I've even asked some undocumenteds, maybe they didn't understand the question or didn't understand the ballot in the mobile voting booth?