understand the gun industry?

[armedliberal]

"be careful what you wish for" could be the title of this.
the gun industry and their lobbyists got CCW passed and now there's millions of new gun owners. somebody else can debate if that's a good thing or not.
the thing that gets me is that the gun industry wasn't and still isn't prepared for their "success". it's harder than ever to get the gun you want thru an antiquated system of distributers and dealers. (did you ever ask a gunshop to order you a gun, get a bigger laugh than asking to order a car). so maybe you got the gun you wanted, now ask to buy some ammo-- that's when the laughter gets real loud. I had a guy at a gun store tell me they didn't have ammo, didn't know when they were going to get any and maybe I should try Walmart. pathetic huh? what's the point (example) of buying an SR22 if there's never going to be any .22lr on the shelves? I'm not buying any guns or ammo until this has turned around. if a turn around is years away, they can forget my money.
the gun industry in their greed, might have just gave themselves the shaft as they drive people away from shooting.

[warbird1]

Look in the mirror and you have your answer. Obama is gun/ammo salesman of the year for 5 years or so running. Gun and ammo companies are doing all they can to keep up with demand.

[Tilos]

"the gun industry and their lobbyists got CCW passed and now there's millions of new gun owners":blah:
How could you even think that, let alone prove it, or link a source:der:

The newest state gun laws have greatly limited sales by vertually stopping sales in many states (Ct, Ca), with Comifornia requiring new handguns to bullet stamp/id the source gun that fired it:eek:
And because of this insane law, major gun mfg'ers have annouced they will no longer sell there.
Do you post this crap to start a flame war:confused:
I for one don't care if you ever buy anything gun related ever again and suggest you use the money you save to pay for your healthcare:puke:
Go fish somewhere else
jmo

[b4uqzme]

It seems like a net plus to me. More people being lawfully allowed to protect themselves is good. Even if it means it's a little harder for me to find my next gun/ammo purchase. It's not just about me.

[Planedude]

Kind of unfair to the "gun industry", they have a responsibility to their shareholders to be "right sized" for the long haul. Over expanding in this Obama bubble could cause an expensive failure when he is gone.
They have all exhibited a willingness to work the hours to overcome the amazing demand of the last few years. Many gun/ammo makers have gone from relatively sedate one shift 40hr production schedules, to 27/7 work weeks to fill the demand.
They seem to be doing the best that can be expected. Seen a lot of sales on AR-15s lately? The black gun demand there has waned to the point that supply exceeds demand and prices are back in line with reality.


As an example I use one close to my family. During the big motorcycle/chopper craze of a few years ago, a local manufacture arose, American IronHorse. My son got a dream job with them building and testing the S&S based engines these choppers were built with. Never seen him so excited to go to a job before or since. The problem was, the management of the company over expanded during a bubble of demand and when the economy changed the bubble popped. No more IronHorse...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_IronHorse


So cut the manufactures a little slack here, they want to profit today, but they really must be set to survive tomorrow.

[bob98366]

The internet is your friend and source of supply. For those thinking shopping Mom and Pop down the street is best, consider that virtually every store is or started out as a Mom and Pop business down someone's street (Walmart included). And many Mom and Pops down the street are doing more business out their back door via internet than in their storefront.

http://www.gunbot.net/ (http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/pistol/9mm/) (pick your caliber and sort by price)

http://ammoseek.com/ (finds ammo, magazines, reloading supplies and firearms)

http://grabagun.com/

There are more. Just do a search.

[muggsy]

"be careful what you wish for" could be the title of this.
the gun industry and their lobbyists got CCW passed and now there's millions of new gun owners. somebody else can debate if that's a good thing or not.
the thing that gets me is that the gun industry wasn't and still isn't prepared for their "success". it's harder than ever to get the gun you want thru an antiquated system of distributers and dealers. (did you ever ask a gunshop to order you a gun, get a bigger laugh than asking to order a car). so maybe you got the gun you wanted, now ask to buy some ammo-- that's when the laughter gets real loud. I had a guy at a gun store tell me they didn't have ammo, didn't know when they were going to get any and maybe I should try Walmart. pathetic huh? what's the point (example) of buying an SR22 if there's never going to be any .22lr on the shelves? I'm not buying any guns or ammo until this has turned around. if a turn around is years away, they can forget my money.
the gun industry in their greed, might have just gave themselves the shaft as they drive people away from shooting.

It isn't the "gun Lobby" or concealed carry that prompted gun buying. It's the governments failure to rein in crime and government over reach that prompted the gun buying. Your president has proven to be the best gun salesman on the face of the planet, Mr. Armed Liberal.

[deadeye]

armed liberal??? Some words just don't seem to go together - like dumb woman or military intelligence. Besides, I think it's Bush's fault.

[knkali]

Armedliberal:


you have big ones.

[chrish]

Wow. Is there a coherent thought there anywhere in the OP.

You are either still living in 2013 Q1, or just not versed in how to purchase guns and ammo. There isn't a mainstream firearm I can think of right now that cannot be found between local stores, gunbroker, and online dealers. Ammo is plentiful either locally or on the internet. Prices are for the most part back down to pre December 2012 levels. You can find anything with minimal effort.

It's liberal/progressive gun grabbing and gun owners' fear of availability (real and imagined) that creates the periodic shortages...along with the realization of the public at large beginning to acknowledge that the government can not protect them. The government gets lucky when they can stop crime. They are 99 times out of 100 the clean up crew.

As for the guns and ammo scene...the free market at work for the most part. And that's a beautiful thing!

[SlowBurn]

Wow. Is there a coherent thought there anywhere in the OP.


Not one. Example: the idea that people will be driven away from shooting because of the upsurge in people who want to shoot reminds me of Yogi Berra's comment about a local restaurant:

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

[WLEEP]

I don't agree with OP rant at all but that's just me.
Here's a link to annual firearms production with about a 30 second search. Indicates a plus 2 million increase in gun sales from 2006 thru 2010 and I would bet it's been at least two more million increase from 2010 thru 2014.
Onward and upward men (and ladies).
http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/firearms/050412-firearms-commerce-in-the-us-annual-statistical-update-2012.pdf

[JohnR]

I don't see what the problem is. An American manufacturing industry has huge growth during an economic winter season, and there's something there to complain about?

[RevRay]

There's one thing for sure ... he is a real liberal ... big business is the problem in the opening gambit.

[berettabone]

I have plenty of both................now, if I could just find some healthcare.

[340pd]

Some very intelligent comments already posted.

Yes, there are millions of new gun owners as well as hundreds of thousands new carry permits issued. I see that as a very good thing come election time.
With that, every gun owner that used to go into a local store and grab a box of 38sp. now, due to shorter supply, wants to have at least ten boxes on hand at all times.

Ammo is rapidly coming back to pre Sandy Hook conditions. Personally, as an instructor that uses a lot of 22lr, I have had to hunt more for it, but have never come even close to running out for my students all throughout the past year and a half. Maybe I am lucky.

I have also had no problems ordering custom high end guns. The Glock shortage is long over as well as most of the new more popular carry 9mm's that flooded the market in the past year.

I think things are looking up. We have more voter influence, manufacturers are expanding and making more guns that the public likes, and new ammo makers are getting into the business.

[feedramp]

I began looking ahead back in 2005. At that point, I began with one pistol, which I always thought was enough, and a low count on ammuntion.

As the years proceeded, and leading up to ammo price gouging, I bought 9mm and .45 ACP in bulk, to safe a little cash, and also to be well stocked, no matter who was in the whitehouse.
I soon realized that hanguns are similar potato chips ... :ohmy:

My pistol count also has increased .. :w00t: as I made handguns my priority as a hobby.

I believe more average citizens have been driven to purchase firearms over the past two years, than ever before. Some, never owning a firearm of any kind up to that point.

[Tilos]

No need to feed the troll, don't expect him back in the thread to respond, he's just chuckling over all the posts.
Put him/her on your ignore list and be done with it...I did.

[chrish]

No need to feed the troll, don't expect him back in the thread to respond, he's just chuckling over all the posts.
Put him/her on your ignore list and be done with it...I did.

But that's no fun. No fun at all.

[JohnR]

I've noticed on other gun forums, there have been some troll-ish posters, almost like seminar callers on talk radio.

We should go find some liberal forums and mess with them.

[mr surveyor]

and I just wasted 3 minutes reading one of the silliest threads ever based on one of the most ignorant original posts to be submitted on a firearms forum.

then wasted another minute or so adding a useless response myself.....

[Longitude Zero]

Other than the dry spell after Newtown I have had zero difficulty finding/buying guns and ammo.

[b4uqzme]

Trolls don't bug me none. They just stir the pot a little and sometimes get me to thinkin'. They're harmless.

[Barth]

Other than the dry spell after Newtown I have had zero difficulty finding/buying guns and ammo.

+1
I can get most any guns and ammo I want via the internet these days.
Things aren't that bad for me.

[getsome]

No kidding Barth, If I owned HK I could get any gun I wanted too....:bump2:

[downtownv]

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
My turn to watch the show....

[muggsy]

I've noticed on other gun forums, there have been some troll-ish posters, almost like seminar callers on talk radio.

We should go find some liberal forums and mess with them.

I think that I'll give poster the benefit of the doubt. I've known some young men who were into guns that thought that they were liberals. What they found out later in life was that they were in reality compassionate conservatives. There's an old saying. "If you're not a liberal in you twenties you have no heart, but if your still a liberal in you forties you have no brain." I think that this may apply in armedliberal's case.

[armedliberal]

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." chuckle, the restaurant Yogi is talking about is http://www.rigazzis.com, I used to go there too (years ago, not no more). chuckle. so nobody likes the "armedliberal" handle huh, what, re-login as "BubbaDiesel"?
armedliberal is a 68 yr. old white guy, with enough education and experience to know about poverty and it's effects. the former blue collar, now no collar neighborhood I live in is a good example and, of course, why I'm armed. I've been armed since LBJ sent me a draft notice in 1965. got back home(phew!) in '67 and have carried as needed ever since. got my CCW card(what a joke that was) last year. "all guns are always loaded, and everybody is always carrying, there is no god and fiat money is faith based"--the world we live in.
shooting can be a fun hobby, get some ammo, go to the range--lot's more fun that shooting airsoft in the basement. when there's no 22lr on anybody's shelves and the range is selling 50 for $7.95, guess ya could get a little pissed off? how about going to a box store and trying to find some whitebox in 9mm or 45acp, no luck there either huh? would they sell buns if there was no hotdogs, how about coffee makers if there was no coffee? supply and demand sucks, that's all I'm saying'. (hope everybody got a chuckle out of this).

[JohnR]

Not suggesting AL is one, but government-paid internet trolls do exist.

http://conbustible.com/2014/03/yes-there-are-paid-government-trolls-on-social-media-blogs-forums-and-websites/

[warbird1]

AL...at 68 you should be old enough to know better.

[muggsy]

and I just wasted 3 minutes reading one of the silliest threads ever based on one of the most ignorant original posts to be submitted on a firearms forum.

then wasted another minute or so adding a useless response myself.....

Visiting the Karh Talk website can be habit forming. It's easier to give up sex or smoking. :)

[muggsy]

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." chuckle, the restaurant Yogi is talking about is http://www.rigazzis.com, I used to go there too (years ago, not no more). chuckle. so nobody likes the "armedliberal" handle huh, what, re-login as "BubbaDiesel"?
armedliberal is a 68 yr. old white guy, with enough education and experience to know about poverty and it's effects. the former blue collar, now no collar neighborhood I live in is a good example and, of course, why I'm armed. I've been armed since LBJ sent me a draft notice in 1965. got back home(phew!) in '67 and have carried as needed ever since. got my CCW card(what a joke that was) last year. "all guns are always loaded, and everybody is always carrying, there is no god and fiat money is faith based"--the world we live in.
shooting can be a fun hobby, get some ammo, go to the range--lot's more fun that shooting airsoft in the basement. when there's no 22lr on anybody's shelves and the range is selling 50 for $7.95, guess ya could get a little pissed off? how about going to a box store and trying to find some whitebox in 9mm or 45acp, no luck there either huh? would they sell buns if there was no hotdogs, how about coffee makers if there was no coffee? supply and demand sucks, that's all I'm saying'. (hope everybody got a chuckle out of this).

Armed is ok. It's the liberal that bothers us. You see, it's the lberals in government who would disarm us all. Bubba Diesil might work, but you'll have to put some greasy dirt under your finger nails and that could get messy. I stopped doing that years ago. LBJ was the only democrat that I ever voted for. He was my C-in-C at the time and I was young and stupid. Now that I'm old and stupid I vote for conservative republicans every chance I get and as often as possible. Kahr Talk is a big tent and I'm sure that we can kick the liberal out of you in no time. :)

[JohnR]

Other than "single payer" I haven't seen any reason you've given for being liberal. I know, what's in a label? We think of liberals as gun-hating, gay-loving, soft-on-crime, society-blaming, America-hating, terrorist-excusing, Muslim-defending, dreamworld-inhabiting hyphenated-Americans. Izzat you?

[muggsy]

See what I mean? John is on the job already. Kick him again grasshopper. And they say we conservatives are so intolerant. :)

[JohnR]

I wish not to kick, but to enlighten. When you can snatch the gun from my cold dead hand, it will be time for you to leave. :)

[knkali]

ArmedLiberal you got balls... big balls, you seem like you know who you are and are eclectic from the very brief curriculum vitae you posted. Welcome to the forum. I am looking forward to reading more from you.

[armedliberal]

knkali, don't you think it's odd, funny, maybe a little bizarre to have a conversation like this on a site for Kahr Arms? you got the fox news, 700 club guys and then there's the others who just wanted to say something about the gun business and maybe how market place and supply/demand has gone wonky-- and armedliberal is having an ammo tantrum.
Justin Moon got into the gun biz(go to Kahr and read the marketing dept.'s "about us") with money from his dad's biz (Unification Church) and I got a CW45 in my holster. Waaah! see, I'm a liberal and good for Justin, better than what the offspring of L. Ron Hubbard or Billy Graham have done. hey, I don't care what anybody does or thinks as long as they don't try to sell it to me, or leave beer cans and rubbers in my yard.
going up to 60F on Monday, got to get busy on the gardens. shooting .177 until the there's ammo back on the shelves.

[Longitude Zero]

L.Ron Hubbard is an pole puffing bunghole licking *******. Everybody who believes his tripe is too stupid to live.

[b4uqzme]

You really did throw a tantrum there with your OP. And welcome.

My father in law used to throw beer cans in my yard just to piss me off. Love the guy but he can be a real prick. No complaints.

[knkali]

L.Ron Hubbard is an pole puffing bunghole licking *******. Everybody who believes his tripe is too stupid to live.
THAT is classic LZ right there. Where the FUUKK have you been? I've missed you amigo.

[Longitude Zero]

THAT is classic LZ right there. Where the FUUKK have you been? I've missed you amigo.


Lurking about my friend...Work has been a handful the last couple of weeks.

[muggsy]

L.Ron Hubbard is an pole puffing bunghole licking *******. Everybody who believes his tripe is too stupid to live.

Tell us how you really feel, LZ. Where ya been?