Another possible problem with my Kahr (trigger related)

[root]

You may have seen the thread I started here: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22741 a few weeks ago, I still have not heard back from Kahr.

Well, this morning I took my magazine out and unloaded my Kahr... I dried fired it, and well, the trigger felt funny.

I pulled the trigger back very slow, and I felt something engage but the hammer didn't "drop" (or whatever)... but then it finally did. I did it a few more times and was able to repeat it, pulled the trigger back slowly and felt 'something' and then it'd engage. I racked the slide back and forth a few times and now it seems back to normal.

Any idea what this is? Since Kahr hasn't responded to my email about the polymer wear that I sent a couple weeks ago... I guess I'll call them later today or tomorrow. I guess I should report the trigger thing too. This is a brand new gun that I want to work properly...

What should I say to them about the trigger? I want to make sure I use the proper wording.

[root]

It's doing it again now. I pulled the trigger all the way back, and it never 'fired' (it's empty) and when I released it I heard a pop.

Did it again, never heard a pop so I moved the slide and as soon as I did it 'popped'.

Racked the slide back/forth a few times and it's working as it should be now.


What gives? It fired perfectly the first time I took it out, I've not had a chance to take it out since then. Now I'm greatly concerned about it.

[hardluk1]

Try picking up the phone and call kahr. Can't help with any problems . I have 3 different models and all have been fine for years. Sorry. Also besure you mail reply is not being blocked and dumped as spam.

[berettabone]

You may have seen the thread I started here: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22741 a few weeks ago, I still have not heard back from Kahr.

Well, this morning I took my magazine out and unloaded my Kahr... I dried fired it, and well, the trigger felt funny.

I pulled the trigger back very slow, and I felt something engage but the hammer didn't "drop" (or whatever)... but then it finally did. I did it a few more times and was able to repeat it, pulled the trigger back slowly and felt 'something' and then it'd engage. I racked the slide back and forth a few times and now it seems back to normal.

Any idea what this is? Since Kahr hasn't responded to my email about the polymer wear that I sent a couple weeks ago... I guess I'll call them later today or tomorrow. I guess I should report the trigger thing too. This is a brand new gun that I want to work properly...

What should I say to them about the trigger? I want to make sure I use the proper wording.
There is no hammer, so maybe that's your first problem. Sounds like your messing with something you know nothing about. Contact Kahr.

[jocko]

You may have seen the thread I started here: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22741 a few weeks ago, I still have not heard back from Kahr.

Well, this morning I took my magazine out and unloaded my Kahr... I dried fired it, and well, the trigger felt funny.

I pulled the trigger back very slow, and I felt something engage but the hammer didn't "drop" (or whatever)... but then it finally did. I did it a few more times and was able to repeat it, pulled the trigger back slowly and felt 'something' and then it'd engage. I racked the slide back and forth a few times and now it seems back to normal.

Any idea what this is? Since Kahr hasn't responded to my email about the polymer wear that I sent a couple weeks ago... I guess I'll call them later today or tomorrow. I guess I should report the trigger thing too. This is a brand new gun that I want to work properly...

What should I say to them about the trigger? I want to make sure I use the proper wording.

just goin out and shootin it 50 rounds and see what transpires???:Amflag2:

[FLBri]

You might want to spray some Brake Cleaner or other cleaner like "Gun Scrubber" into the hole on the under side of the slide that is meant for that purpose.

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showpost.php?p=150973&postcount=18

The intermittent problem might indicate a gunked up striker channel.

Also, A likely scenario (and check this FIRST) is that your trigger bar is binding on the slide rail. You can see the very tip of the trigger bar from the right side rear of the gun just below the slide and above the frame.
See that is is working back and forth freely as you perform your test motion. If this is the problem, Kahr can resolve this easily. You might want to try a little grease or Lube in that area, first.

[root]

There is no hammer, so maybe that's your first problem. Sounds like your messing with something you know nothing about. Contact Kahr.

Which is why I clearly stated that I may not be using the proper wording.

This is my first DAO, little plastic pocket pistol.

[jocko]

root, I see ur from Indiana, I also reside there kand I have been told Indiana people do not have all therir knives in one drawer. I fully understood what u said it is the idiots in the utter 49 states who have no clue. Just sayin

Indiana. HOME OF THE NRA CONVENTION. Indiana residents are allowed in free, all utter state people there is a fee. If ur fromthe state of washing, U ARE NOT ALLOWED.

I willbegiving a seminar on saturday in how to tell an Indiana sheep over any utter sheep area. HINT. Look for wear spots of missing wool on the right and left rear legs. Just sayin

[getsome]

Dang root I think it's time to keep calling Kahr until you get somebody and just tell them it's breaking followers or something to get a return paid mailer and send that thing back in with a VERY detailed letter explaining what you just wrote along with asking them to examine the messed up polymer deal...I think your gun needs to go back for that anyway so while it's there they can look at the other problem which sounds kinda like the trigger bar is hanging up...

Good luck guy and just keep calling and forget the emails for now because they don't seem to be able to respond to them anyway...I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with it but I think your pistol needs to go back home to momma for some fixin....

[FieldDay]

Which is why I clearly stated that I may not be using the proper wording.

This is my first DAO, little plastic pocket pistol.


I come from car and motorcycle forums, and whenever someone asks for advice on a problem, i've found it is always best to start with the simplest things first, then work into the more complicated possibilities.

You said this is your first DAO pistol. Are you sure you're cycling the weapon properly? After each trigger pull, you must reset the trigger. When actually firing, this is done by the recoil of the slide. When dry firing, you have rack the slide yourself, otherwise, after that first trigger pull you can pull the trigger all you want and nothing will happen. Try this.

1. Clear the weapon.
2. Clear it again.
3. Rack the slide all the way back and release it.
4. Pull the trigger until you hear it "break". Keep the trigger to the rear.
5. Rack the slide fully and release.
6. Let the trigger out. You should here a click which is the reset of the trigger, which will allow you to dry-fire the weapon again.

Just think of how the gun behaves when you're putting rounds through it. Walk yourself through each step of the process and try to replicate them when you're dry firing. This should give you a clearer picture as to whether it's mechanical issue, or user error.

Hope that helps.

[berettabone]

I come from car and motorcycle forums, and whenever someone asks for advice on a problem, i've found it is always best to start with the simplest things first, then work into the more complicated possibilities.

You said this is your first DAO pistol. Are you sure you're cycling the weapon properly? After each trigger pull, you must reset the trigger. When actually firing, this is done by the recoil of the slide. When dry firing, you have rack the slide yourself, otherwise, after that first trigger pull you can pull the trigger all you want and nothing will happen. Try this.

1. Clear the weapon.
2. Clear it again.
3. Rack the slide all the way back and release it.
4. Pull the trigger until you hear it "break". Keep the trigger to the rear.
5. Rack the slide fully and release.
6. Let the trigger out. You should here a click which is the reset of the trigger, which will allow you to dry-fire the weapon again.

Just think of how the gun behaves when you're putting rounds through it. Walk yourself through each step of the process and try to replicate them when you're dry firing. This should give you a clearer picture as to whether it's mechanical issue, or user error.

Hope that helps.
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::19::emptybath:

[muggsy]

Root, PM sent.

[9mmlover]

Mine fails the step #6 mist of the times unless I let the trigger spring forward by itself.

Hello everyone! Just registered but have been reading the posts for a few weeks.

Bought my PM9 in 2011. It's the black version with night sights. Fired 7 rounds only but with three failures because the trigger wont reset. I was kind of scared I may mess the gun up so stooped using it since then.

I followed the ore-break in instruction from kahrtalk and done the manual slide racking 500 times. T

The gun has been cleaned and lubed regularly even thought I've not using it.

Should I shoot more or let Kahr to look into the problem?



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[FLBri]

Welcome 9mm. There isn't anything "break in" related about a trigger not resetting, that I can think of. Get it to Kahr and they will make it well. Remember you only have 5 years Warranty.

WAIT! I just re read your post

"Mine fails the step #6 mist of the times unless I let the trigger spring forward by itself."

What do you mean by this? It almost sounds as if the pistol is acting just the way it is intended. It will never reset unless you let the trigger "spring forward" by itself.

[muggsy]

Root, I understand that you live in Indiana, but I won't hold that against you. If your gun functions properly when you use it as it was intended to be used, I wouldn't worry about it not operating properly when you manipulate it in an unusual manner. As the poet once said, "Just shoot the fokker like you stole it." Jocko operates in an unusual manner on occasion, but that's just Jocko. Your gun, in all probability, is just fine. :)

[9mmlover]

FLBri, Thank you for responding to my question. I didn't explain it clearly. While holding the trigger all way back, I racked the slide. Then slowly slide my finger backwards until the finger is completely off the trigger. Then trigger springs forward by itself. By doing this the trigger resets successfully every time.



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[FLBri]

FLBri, Thank you for responding to my question. I didn't explain it clearly. While holding the trigger all way back, I racked the slide. Then slowly slide my finger backwards until the finger is completely off the trigger. Then trigger springs forward by itself. By doing this the trigger resets successfully every time.



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And when you release the trigger as in a normal "post shot", what happens (not releasing extra slow). If you get some (but not all the time) release failures (hmmmm, glad I don't get those yet LOL) than it sounds like a friction problem. one Likely spot would be the trigger bar under the right side grip binding between the frame and slide. Remove the slide and right grip cover ... put a dollop of grease on the tab of the trigger bar that extends up above into the slide area. See if that helps. If you can confirm that that is the problem, you could also polish a couple thousandths of that tab with 400 to 600 sandpaper.

Otherwise ... send it home!

[9mmlover]

FLBri, Thanks. It is caused by the friction between the trigger bar and the grip cover. I can hear the reset when pushing the grip cover inward. I will go buy a tool to take off the grip cover and polish the trigger bar or the grip cover.



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[muggsy]

root, I see ur from Indiana, I also reside there kand I have been told Indiana people do not have all therir knives in one drawer. I fully understood what u said it is the idiots in the utter 49 states who have no clue. Just sayin

Indiana. HOME OF THE NRA CONVENTION. Indiana residents are allowed in free, all utter state people there is a fee. If ur fromthe state of washing, U ARE NOT ALLOWED.

I willbegiving a seminar on saturday in how to tell an Indiana sheep over any utter sheep area. HINT. Look for wear spots of missing wool on the right and left rear legs. Just sayin

I'd straighten him out, Jocko, but Indiana want's me and Lord I can't go back there. :) If you were any kind of neighbor you hop on your Harley and help the kid.