Why Some Kahr Owners Have Issues?

[gmcjetpilot]

Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Uqtz2asE4

Even the super reliable Glock 19 can be made to misfire, clearly this can effect a Kahr, light, small grip..... I own a Glock; I'm not a fan boy Glock fanatical nut, but Glock's have a well deserved reputation of reliability, which I have confirmed for myself with my G26 Gen4. The smaller the gun the harder to handle. CM/PM9 9mm is a handful for many folks. I personally have no issue; I feel even more in control due to the small grip width and thickness, so I can clamp down on it, albeit with two fingers, plus the supporting hand.

With the Kahr CM/PM9 compact size, less than full grip and light weight (to react recoil), this can cause issues for some folks. Not pointing fingers, but could this be a one possible reason some CM9/PM9 owners have issues? You watch internet folks like hickock45, they rarely have misfires. I have about 450-500 rounds through my CM9 with no issues. I think some issues are how people shoot. To be fair there is clearly some Kahr QC issues and parts that wear or break prematurely.

[smo79]

I have to agree with your thinking. I think that overall kahr makes a good firearm, but have a few problems here and there. All companies do and it seems like they are very willing to correct their mistakes.

[340pd]

I get blasted when I suggest that very thing on other forums. Small semi's are just miniaturized versions of their larger brothers, thus carrying much shorter tighter springs, smaller grips, and they require far more care racking and gripping while shooting.

Things like harsh recoil, trigger pinch, slide bite, and short sight radius, all contribute to small firearm malfunctions. One Kimber Solo has been through the hands of six different shooters at the range I work at.

I own a lot of small semi's but I will always promote a revolver to new inexperienced shooters. I have made many followers of a S&W j-frame Mod. 60 3" for carry. Only five shots, but it will fire five times, every time.

[JohnR]

Very good video, thanks for posting.

[b4uqzme]

I credit my MK9 for teaching me good shooting mechanics. Here's a link to a thread about it if you are interested:

http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=18917&highlight=limpwristing

[jocko]

I get blasted when I suggest that very thing on other forums. Small semi's are just miniaturized versions of their larger brothers, thus carrying much shorter tighter springs, smaller grips, and they require far more care racking and gripping while shooting.

Things like harsh recoil, trigger pinch, slide bite, and short sight radius, all contribute to small firearm malfunctions. One Kimber Solo has been through the hands of six different shooters at the range I work at.

I own a lot of small semi's but I will always promote a revolver to new inexperienced shooters. I have made many followers of a S&W j-frame Mod. 60 3" for carry. Only five shots, but it will fire five times, every time.

a J frame limp wristed, have u, or jamming on the feed ramp., let alone fokking magazine falling out. Just sayin. IMO the best gun for a new gun buyer to and certainly the best gun for a woman. Doesnt have to be a J frame but a good wheel gun:amflag:

[root]

I believe it's been mentioned here and elsewhere that their great reputation has caused increased interest in the brand, and as sales increased their attention to detail and quality control as well as customer service may have been decreased. AKA "growing pains".

I don't think the recent issues I've seen posted here are 'user error'. My concerns were initially related to the quality of the polymer. My other issue, well, it's likely I just had polymer shavings someplace it shouldn't have been due to issue #1.

I'm still wanting to give them a chance, and if someone asks me about Kahr I don't bad mouth them. I have faith they'll do right by me but it's been about 3 weeks since I emailed them and any company in 2014 should have Customer Service available via EMAIL, no exceptions. I do not want to call them and have no log/record of the call. Besides, me having to call them requires me to either wake up early or stay up late, because I work in the evenings and until after midnight I am sleeping during 'normal' business hours. I should not be inconveniences further by having to arrange time while I would normally be sleeping to call them when I have already attempted contact with them. If they would simply email me back, that'd be wonderful. It shouldn't take longer to get a response to an email than it takes to send a letter across the world via snail mail.

[FCastle88]

When I got my G26 I was a bit worried after watching several similar youtube videos. So I tried to replicate it myself. Using relatively weak range ammo, I tried holding the gun one-handed as loosely as I could without the gun flying out of my hand. I even tried holding the gun only with my trigger finger and thumb like he does in that video. I couldn't get it to malfunction once. I've tried the same thing with my CM9 and a couple other polymer guns that are supposedly prone to limpwristing. They all functioned fine. Most of them the first time I tried this the gun only had 100-200 rounds through it. Every now and then while I'm at the range I'll give it another try just to see if I can get one to malfunction, none of them have yet. If I can't even get them to malfunction with Federal or WWB range ammo, I certainly don't see it being an issue with defensive ammo. Personally I think "limpwristing" is an excuse for a slightly out of spec gun that's more sensitive to ammo or grip issues than it should be.

[Rubb]

I've had a couple flawless P3AT's other less experienced shooters have had issues with.
Limpwristing is real..

[jocko]

I loved my P3AT's so much I sent them back (all 3of them) 16 times..

[TheTman]

I'd never heard of limp wristing, until I was trying to break in my CW40, and was having a horrible time with all manner of failures. I talked to the guy managing the indoor range, and he suggested I was probably limp wristing it, explained limp wristing to me, and that poly framed guns seem to be more susceptible to it than metal framed guns. I'd mostly shot revolvers and .22 semis, 1911's and a few metal framed 9mm's and never had the problem before. But after making adjustments to my grip, the CW40 acted fine and all the problems disappeared. I think a 1911 is almost impossible to limp wrist, and the other guns with metal frames didn't cause the problems the poly framed gun did.

[garyb]

Good vid. Repeating his advice...train. Thanks for the post.

[jocko]

I'd never heard of limp wristing, until I was trying to break in my CW40, and was having a horrible time with all manner of failures. I talked to the guy managing the indoor range, and he suggested I was probably limp wristing it, explained limp wristing to me, and that poly framed guns seem to be more susceptible to it than metal framed guns. I'd mostly shot revolvers and .22 semis, 1911's and a few metal framed 9mm's and never had the problem before. But after making adjustments to my grip, the CW40 acted fine and all the problems disappeared. I think a 1911 is almost impossible to limp wrist, and the other guns with metal frames didn't cause the problems the poly framed gun did.

very good point. Most will never admit they limp a gun, u did and u fixed it.:amflag:

[Bill K]

Also liked that video.

I will sometimes wind up limp wristing near the end of a practice session shooting one hand weak hand. I'll realize what I've done, concentrate and end the session on a high note.

BTW, there's a soft spot in my heart for P3ATs. Particularly this one...

[smo79]

I also like the p3at but reading post all over the internet people really try to make it more than it was designed to do. It's a close in last ditch defensive handgun. That is all it is, no more no less. I have also had failures with high end guns myself. Had my kimber fail while I was trying to qualify for my CCL. Found out it wasn't the gun it was really crappy ammo.

[HAP1978]

Dang, that was a good video. A lot of people love to blame malfunctions on the gun manufacturer but that's proof right there that most of the time its probably the shooter.

That was crazy that he could get that glock to malfunction almost at will. He called it almost every time.

[dorangolv]

Kahr CM9 review with limp wrist test, no malfunctions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TcAr06AEMk

[MBSL500]

Kahr CM9 review with limp wrist test, no malfunctions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TcAr06AEMk


That video is likely going to disappoint those who watched the first video and then believed that all they to do was work on their
technique to keep their CM from malfunctioning.
It appears that's not the case.

[muggsy]

The combination of a limp wrist and weak ammo is the kiss of death to reliability. Throw in a dirty handgun and you have the perfect storm. A lot of complaints from new Kahr owners can be traced to these faults. BTW this is by far one of the best you tube channels. Twang and Bang is another good one.

[muggsy]

That video is likely going to disappoint those who watched the first video and then believed that all they to do was work on their
technique to keep their CM from malfunctioning.
It appears that's not the case.

You will note that he was using 147 Gr. projectiles loaded to defensive round velocities and not 115 gr target loads. There in lies the difference. His loads have the balls to cycle the slide. He ain't shooting dirty, aluminum case, crap ammo that shall remain nameless. :D

[MBSL500]

You will note that he was using 147 Gr. projectiles loaded to defensive round velocities and not 115 gr target loads. There in lies the difference. His loads have the balls to cycle the slide. He ain't shooting dirty, aluminum case, crap ammo that shall remain nameless. :D

Good point.