So, you're walking your dog...

[T0RMENT]

If you or your dog get attacked by a wild animal (coyote, mountain lion, bear, etc.) and you are carrying, are you allowed to fire on the wild animal to save either you or your dogs life? What if this is within city limits, and yes, these types of animals are found in city limits here in Colorado.

I've always wondered.

[trooplewis]

Well, you are if you are Texas Governor Rick Perry
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/28/texas-governor-shoots-kills-coyote-threatened-dog/

[T0RMENT]

Interesting.


Well, you are if you are Texas Governor Rick Perry
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/28/texas-governor-shoots-kills-coyote-threatened-dog/

[knkali]

if it is to protect you from harm I believe it is OK not sure if it is to protect your dog though. I am sure every jurisdiction has different regs

[berettabone]

It doesn't matter to me.......................it would be dead.

[RRP]

In a situation where the use of deadly force is justifiable, it doesn't matter if the attacker is man or animal. Nor does it matter if you are within city limits, or out in the country.

[Bawanna]

It doesn't matter to me.......................it would be dead.

I'll go with this right here.

[RevRay]

Is this one of those "put up a Gun Free Zone sign" kind of things? A potential robber will decide not to rob a store because it's a gun free zone. And of course, a coyote will not even remotely think of hassling you because you're a human. Ergo, you cannot shoot the coyote unless he specifically comes directly ... without passing go btw ... at you personally ... and by name I might add. That would pretty much be how it would work here in Connecticut anyway. You are pretty much guilty of some kind of gun infraction if you actually use it. Carry it (i.e. "bear arms") all you want ... just don't even think about using it ... or even letting others know you have it.

[Alfonse]

No question in my mind.

[Armybrat]

According to this article Alaskans don't have a problem about shooting bears in self defense:

http://www.adn.com/2009/08/13/897940/twig-snap-alerts-dog-walker-to.html

[muggsy]

I never take the time to wonder about things like this. I simply point and shoot. At my age you don't have time to waste wondering. :)

[AIRret]

When I'm in areas like that I carry bear spray.
It's pretty tough to take out "some of the animals" you are talking about with a handgun,
but numerous rangers and DNR types (who I've spoken with) say that bear spray is VERY effective.

[T0RMENT]

Bear spray isn't a bad idea. Thanks.

[DT Guy]

If I'm walking my dog, and a coyote attacks my dog, the coyote has attacked ME; he's just starting with my dog and working his way toward me. Self-defense REQUIRES me to shoot. :)


Larrry

[colding]

I'm an advocate of the bear or OC spray. If your dog and another animal are entangled in a fight, too much of a chance of shooting your own dog.

[Planedude]

I'd take my chances with a good shot. I'd stand in front of the TV reports camara and tell the locals about how "scary" it was to have to shoot a "wild animal, who was brazen in trying to eat a family pet" in my own neighborhood. I would wonder out loud how may local pets had already been eaten before I "stopped it's rein of terror"...
This of course assumes a single well aimed shot or two. If you empty your high cap Glock, miss the offending critter, but hit other citizens or their property with your overspray, well bubby, your on your own.

[smo79]

The other possibility is the animal might also have rabies. This is justifiable in my mind better them than me or my pug.

[berettabone]

It's an oldie, but I couldn't help myself................I was walking in the park, and stopped to talk to someone sitting at one of the benches. She said that she and her husband did a lot of hiking, all over the U.S. I said that I also do a lot of hiking. She said to me, " Do you ever hike where there are bears?" I said , " Yes, I have." She asked, " How can I protect myself against bears?" I said, " Do you carry a firearm?" She said, " Oh lord no, I would never do that." I said, " Then you need to get yourself a big can of bear spray, and a bunch of small bells." " You need to sew the bells on to your clothing, so when you're walking, the bears will hear you coming." She said, " How do I know if there are bears in the area?" I said, " You look for their scat." She asks, " What's scat?" I replied, " You know, their crap." She says, " Oh, how will I know if it's bear scat?" I said, " It's easy, it will smell like bear spray, and have little bells in it."

[b4uqzme]

Swiss coyote. You know...with holes in it.

[smo79]

Swiss coyote. You know...with holes in it.


I wonder if that tastes good with bologna?


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[Ascham1]

No brainer, anyone or thing threatening my dog or wife or me will be shot.

[muggsy]

I'm a born killer. I'd shoot that coyote even if it didn't attack my dog. I'd smear the blood all over my face and scream like a Comanche. Ted Nugent has nothing on me. :)

[kahrseye]

Yeah, it would be dead. I live in city limits but there's no ordinance against firing a weapon in self defense.

[Bawanna]

I'd need more information. What kind of dog do I have? Is the coyote mangy looking or kind of purty.
Does the coyote look hungry? Would verbal judo, ya know nice wild doggie, nice wild doggie have any positive effect.

Could the coyote be looking for love and provide me with wild doggie puppies I could sell to tree huggers who could turn them loose so other dog owners could shoot them?

[rangerider]

Can be a little more interesting here in So Cal. More likely to be attacked from domestic roaming pitbulls then anything else. In this case can be a real personal threat that has to be dispatched.

[kahrseye]

Here's a story that answers that question in a real life situation. Scroll down to see video.


http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/video-snowmobiler-shoots-moose-glock/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Glock%20Talk%20Newsletter%2017%20(1)&utm_content=&spMailingID=45389124&spUserID=NDUwOTc2NzYzOTMS1&spJobID=402246985&spReportId=NDAyMjQ2OTg1S0

[muggsy]

The same thing happened to me once, but it was an enraged chipmunk the blocked the trail. That rodent damn near got the best of me. :)

[b4uqzme]

Butterflies...it was a swarm of rabid butterflies blocking my trail. Ya gotta be a darn good shot with them suckers. Just sayin'.

[berettabone]

I guarantee, to people like myself and my wife, who's dog and our persons, were attacked by a pitbull and a Rottweiler at the same time, it's not funny. This was before it was legal for me to carry. I could tell it wasn't going to be good, because both dogs were locked in on our dog and my wife. When the Rottweiler went for our dog, I kicked it in the side of the face, while the pitbull was watching..........right after that, I was screaming at my wife, not to freeze, and to keep moving. The pitbull was just waiting for blood to be shed, to jump in.......I could just tell. When the Rottweiler made another move towards my wife and dog, I kicked it as hard as I could in the back hip, and it yelped. I thought for sure, that that was going to illicit a response from both dogs, and my adrenaline was jacked. My wife didn't want to leave me there, with the dogs, but I told her, that she had to keep moving and get home. She made it home, but not without me having to kick the rott again, and then kick the pitbull for the first time, because he was going in for my dog. My wife made it home, and called 911. I swear, within a minute, 3 squads were screeching up. One cop immediately( I don't use the word cop disrespectfully) got out, Glock in hand, and said, " Where is the pos, I hate rotts, there is no use for them." As I was telling them, that they wandered back onto the property they came from, be it with limps, one came back over and walked up to us, and was sniffing the cop's leg. He stood there with his firearm about 5 in. from the dog's head, just waiting for it to do something. He was ready to end the dog right there. Fortunately, or unfortunately, the dog walked back to it's property.. They ran a check, and the owners were only supposed to have 2 dogs(by law in residence) but had three. Kept saying they were just babysitting the dog downstairs. They also had 110 tickets for just about everything connected with these dogs. The city also made them put up a fence, due to past problems. I told the police, that the fence doesn't do any good, if they leave the gate open. The cop came home with me, to make sure my wife, and our dog was ok. I personally thanked all of them, for the very fast response time. I also told them at that time, the dogs were lucky that I couldn't carry. They would both have been dead on the street, and if I went to jail, so be it. The cop said, just make sure, that if you do shoot one, drag it onto your property. Things are a bit different now, and if it EVER happens again, two dead dogs...............................I don't really place blame on the dogs, I place it on the owners and breeders. Not all of these type dogs are like these particular two, but not a type that I would ever place MY trust in. I love all dogs and all other animals , but wouldn't hesitate for a second, to blow one away when it comes to personal protection, for me, family, and whom ever else is around.;)

[Bawanna]

That's all good but disregard his telling you to drag the dog onto your own property, any decent investigator is gonna know that and that will burn you. Stick with the truth and the facts and your fear causing you to defend yourself.

A few years ago, actually many years ago I had a black lab. Friendly cuss, never bother nobody. The house at the end of our cul de sac, I'm the end but they are kind of off in a hole beyond. They had some like Grey Hound looking dogs of some sort. High strung, hardly ever see em or the people.

They apparently got loose and wandered up to the street. Out of the blue the pair of them bee lined for my front porch and my dog. I saw them coming and went for the door, the owner lady hollered and they stopped right before they got to the porch. The moron lady had the absolute adacity to tell me that I need to be more careful with my dog laying on my front porch as her dogs were Hybrids and very delicate and valuable.

With my jaw on the floor, I firmly suggested that she take her delicate hybrid valuable dogs and herself and head home and don't never set foot on my property again as it was now officially a free fire zone. My 1911 was on my hip, I never drew it or even acknowledged it was there.

Typical liberal that she was she went home and called the sheriff. He come up to the house and I told him the facts and he wanted to know if I wanted to press any kind of charges. I was like what, he said he'd think of something. Good guy. Told me I was totally in the right, she'd been warned by me and again by him so the free fire zone was good to go. Thankfully they are long gone now. I don't miss em much.

[WMac19]

Yes, I'd shoot if I felt myself to be in danger and I agree with others, an attack by a predator on my dog has officially rendered myself to be in danger.

Around here we have lots of coyote and some black bear but bear sightings are extremely rare save for locations butting up to state parks.

I have three large dogs, 120 lb Cane Corso, 100 lb Shepherd and my runt is an 80 lb Lab. I'm sure my guys could handle a couple of coyotes and manage to spook a bear.

[WMac19]

Reminds me of a situation my buddy was in a while back...

Bears are tough hombres. Buddy's 50 lb dog was screaching, he ran outside to find it being chased by a black bear.

But he ran out too quickly and found himself unarmed and now cutoff from the house. His wife is screaming for him to get back inside but he knows he won't make it. He hollars back for her to unlock his truck as he knows it's locked and his .45 is in the console.

Funny now but horrifying I'm sure at the time, she keeps frantically yelling for him to get into the house while he keeps yelling to unlock the truck. He said it went on forever, it seemed.

Bear goes for him when the wife finally realizes that she's every bit the problem that the bear is at the moment!

He hears the chirp signifying it's unlocked and bolts for the truck, bear chases. As he retrieves the gun the bear is right up to him, he turns and fires catching it in the shoulder. Bear turns and he quickly puts another in its hind quarters. It ambles off.

He saw it a couple of days later with a noticeable limp. Then again a week later with just a slight limp. By the 10th day, he said, no limp at all. Like I said, tough hombres.

He wanted to take it out but being that he reported the incident (had to for public safety as he lives not far from a school), he knows he'd be in for a heap unless he's "placed in danger" again on his own property.

He's getting a bigger dog. Two of them, lol...

[berettabone]

That's all good but disregard his telling you to drag the dog onto your own property, any decent investigator is gonna know that and that will burn you. Stick with the truth and the facts and your fear causing you to defend yourself.

A few years ago, actually many years ago I had a black lab. Friendly cuss, never bother nobody. The house at the end of our cul de sac, I'm the end but they are kind of off in a hole beyond. They had some like Grey Hound looking dogs of some sort. High strung, hardly ever see em or the people.

They apparently got loose and wandered up to the street. Out of the blue the pair of them bee lined for my front porch and my dog. I saw them coming and went for the door, the owner lady hollered and they stopped right before they got to the porch. The moron lady had the absolute adacity to tell me that I need to be more careful with my dog laying on my front porch as her dogs were Hybrids and very delicate and valuable.

With my jaw on the floor, I firmly suggested that she take her delicate hybrid valuable dogs and herself and head home and don't never set foot on my property again as it was now officially a free fire zone. My 1911 was on my hip, I never drew it or even acknowledged it was there.

Typical liberal that she was she went home and called the sheriff. He come up to the house and I told him the facts and he wanted to know if I wanted to press any kind of charges. I was like what, he said he'd think of something. Good guy. Told me I was totally in the right, she'd been warned by me and again by him so the free fire zone was good to go. Thankfully they are long gone now. I don't miss em much.
That was our dog, came from good bloodline, miss em, same " friendly cuss, never bother nobody". I never would have hauled dead dogs onto my property. I would have wanted the owners to see them laying in the road, kind of wake up call, so to speak.http://kahrtalk.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[b4uqzme]

her dogs were Hybrids and very delicate and valuable.

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Hybrids? Electric and what? Alpo? :rolleyes: