Wheaties Gun?

[TenorTim]

Well this is another "looking for a gun for the wife" posts.... I took her to the local gun shop yesterday... No Kahr dealers close to me, so I had her tiddle with a LCP and a TCP.... She liked the TCP and was able to rack the slide with no effort.... I really want to let her hold a CW380 (I've been wanting one since they hit the market, but didn't have an excuse... now I do.. It's for her! lol) With no dealers, I'm really considering buying from the net.... but a video I watched today concerns me... See the link below... Specifically the last 30 seconds or so.... Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1EKpqStHnY

[rahmann62]

A couple things from the video, it appears this gun was right out of the box. When I bought my CW380, there was oil dripping from the gun and extra in the bottom of the plastic bag. This excess amount of oil will make the gun hard to grip, a few times in the video you can see the reflection on excess oil on the gun. As a result it will be a little more difficult to rack the slide. An initial cleaning of the gun will help with the grip.

My CW380, as was my CW9, very stiff at first. I have fired about 200 rounds through my CW380 and the slide has really softened up. When my CW380 was new I had to use a tool of some kind to get the slide stop out and break down the gun. Now after break in the slide stop removes with little effort and no tools needed.

I have experienced the same with my CW9, I have about 1k rounds through it and it is smooth as BUTTER!!!

[berettabone]

A Kahr will not be easy for your wife to rack, if at all. My wife cannot rack my MK9. Just me, but if I wanted a mouse gun for my wife, I really think I would give a Sig P290 a look. As far as purchasing from the internet, I have done it many times without any problems. It does help if you can handle in person, before purchase.

[TenorTim]

A Kahr will not be easy for your wife to rack, if at all.
My wife can rack my CM9... but just barely.... Was hoping the CW380 would be similar to the TCP... Seems a little deceptive that all the advertisements show petite ladies with Kahrs in their hands...

[b4uqzme]

I see reviews and stuff online recommending lightweight, tiny revolvers and pistols for our wives...and I disagree! Mrs. b4 can handle the recoil just fine with a 38 special or 9mm. What she cannot handle is how hard the tiny guns are to rack and/or hold onto. We are STILL looking for her own, dedicated sidearm and we are looking for a compact or medium sized gun = no subcompacts or airweights. So far she feels good with a Ruger SP101 shooting 38special: it is large enough for a full grip and heavy enough to mitigate recoil.

So I guess what I am saying is don't pigeon hole yourself into thinking your wife needs a tiny gun. She may be happier with something larger...especially to start out with and train.

[jeepster09]

What were we talking about.....something about wives and racks? :D
Sorry....easyily disstracted with something shiney.:music:

[AIRret]

I see reviews and stuff online recommending lightweight, tiny revolvers and pistols for our wives...and I disagree! Mrs. b4 can handle the recoil just fine with a 38 special or 9mm. What she cannot handle is how hard the tiny guns are to rack and/or hold onto. We are STILL looking for her own, dedicated sidearm and we are looking for a compact or medium sized gun = no subcompacts or airweights. So far she feels good with a Ruger SP101 shooting 38special: it is large enough for a full grip and heavy enough to mitigate recoil.

So I guess what I am saying is don't pigeon hole yourself into thinking your wife needs a tiny gun. She may be happier with something larger...especially to start out with and train.

A sig 239 might be a good choice it's easy to rack, it's a single stack so it should fit her hand, and the recoil isn't bad because the gun is fairly heavy.
Oh, it's 8 plus 1 9mm.
The Boberg shorty is the easiest to rack but it is a little smaller than the pm/cm
9 so the recoil is more like the pm/cm 9. This gun is 7 plus 1 but I would not
run reloads through it just factory ammo.

[TenorTim]

Our concern isn't as much what she can shoot best, but what she can carry best. If it isn't somewhat easy to carry.... then she'll eventually stop carrying it. My wife is small and petite. Even my CM9 prints a lot on her side... Since women's atire can be vastly different from one day to the next, i think women ought to have several holster options to facilitate her attire that day... So something like a flash bang, or thigh holster might work better some days... This is why the weight and size are really important to her... I know we should dress around the gun, but if it's not easy to carry, I doubt she'll carry it for long... SO a small easy to operate auto will be her EDC... Then perhaps a mid sized for those days she's wearing jeans and can carry IWB...

[b4uqzme]

Now you're talkin'. Multiple guns and multiple holsters.

[DKD]

Although the Kahr p380 or cw380 are a bit stiff when new, they will lighten up a bit after you run a few boxes of ammo through them. Many ladies will still find them a bit hard to rack even after break in.
When I teach my classes I find many women really like the Sig P238 in 380 ACP....very good sights, light enough, and very easy to rack & clear. The Sig 938 is much the same way and well worth looking into to for her. With the extended magazines with pinky extension they are very comfortable in the hand of most folks and are both extremely accurate with excellent night sights.

[AIRret]

Our concern isn't as much what she can shoot best, but what she can carry best. If it isn't somewhat easy to carry.... then she'll eventually stop carrying it. My wife is small and petite. Even my CM9 prints a lot on her side... Since women's atire can be vastly different from one day to the next, i think women ought to have several holster options to facilitate her attire that day... So something like a flash bang, or thigh holster might work better some days... This is why the weight and size are really important to her... I know we should dress around the gun, but if it's not easy to carry, I doubt she'll carry it for long... SO a small easy to operate auto will be her EDC... Then perhaps a mid sized for those days she's wearing jeans and can carry IWB...

I'm pretty small (5'5" 111 lb) and I can hide a gun real easily in the 7:30 position. Carrying right on the hip doesn't work for me when it come to concealment or comfort. I also (as many women do) have problems with most
IWB because I'm short waisted (like the majority of women) and the gun digs
into my ribs. My favorite way to carry my pm 9 is in an eclipse OWB holster, and with an untucked shirt it hides well.
I also carry the karh or ruger in a flash bang holster and with practice it is
very fast.
The only IWB holster that I find works great is the "smart carry" holster. It's a crotch holster but I wear it with most of the grip above the waist band in the appendix area or just behind the hip. It's a great option when you can't wear a belt or because of work wear your outfit won't support the gun. The biggest disadvantage is you can't safely re-holster the gun without taking the holster off.

You are absolutely right….women need several holster options. Our clothing
doesn't make it easy to carry.

A great book that should help is "Concealed Carry for women" by Gila Hayes.
It has a lot of info specifically related to the issues a woman has to deal with
when she carries. She deals with the normal safety and skill issues but she also shows options for holsters as well as how to fit a gun to a persons hand.
Plus she includes a list of resources for holsters, belts, training, gun modification of grips etc.

[AIRret]

The easiest guns to rack that I've encountered are the Boberg, and the Remington 51.

[SlowBurn]

I see reviews and stuff online recommending lightweight, tiny revolvers and pistols for our wives...and I disagree! Mrs. b4 can handle the recoil just fine with a 38 special or 9mm. What she cannot handle is how hard the tiny guns are to rack and/or hold onto...

So I guess what I am saying is don't pigeon hole yourself into thinking your wife needs a tiny gun. She may be happier with something larger.

But small enough to carry in a purse and easy to rack and shoot. Exactly why Glock came out with a little bigger 380 instead of a single stack 9 like all the "experts" thought they should. Like I keep saying, it's a purse gun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1_ajGMp3mk&sns=em

[AIRret]

SlowBurn, my step son is a DNR LEO and he Strongly warned me against carrying a gun
in my purse.
I know it would be convenient and comfortable to carry that way (a little slow on the draw
unless you have your hand in your purse) but the fact is…..that the BG wants your purse……….oops, my gun is gone.
BUT it is a personal choice and I respect that!

[wyntrout]

I bought my wife a P380 and she couldn't rack it... sold it... didn't need two. Bought her a P9, too... couldn't rack that, so it's mine. I carry it a lot. :)

She could barely rack my Glock 23C, so I bought her a G19 Gen 3... "too big", so, I bought a G19 Gen 4 and sold the Gen 3. The G19 Gen 4 is still "too big". I can't get her interested enough to even learn how to operate the pistols. She used and trained with only revolvers... and the 870 12ga in Europe.

I have lots of mags, snap caps, a Tactical Solutions 22-convdrsion for the G19/23, and I have the LaserLyte cartridges for 9mm, .40, and .45 along with the reaction targets for training.:rolleyes:

She's content <sigh> with the H&R 9-shot .22LR revolver with 9 Stingers loaded... and any of my ready positioned defense guns around the house. She knows they are loaded and there's not safety... Kahrs and my Glock 23C.

Wynn:)

[AIRret]

Hmmmmmm, wyntrout!

You won't come by a Boberg in a local GS (unless they now have dealers) but a forum member (I think it was Hardluck) bought a R51 and he said it was easy to rack and was very soft in recoil, plus the gun is light.
Last weekend we handled one at a gun show and it was VERY easy to rack. Obviously I didn't get to shoot it, so I can't comment on that. But….it might be a possibility for your wife. I am interested is tracking it's reliability and if it's good I want to recommend it to several friends.
I think some people become committed to self defense naturally, others wake up when either they or someone they know has an issue. For me it was both.

It's difficult, some have no heart for it (I don't understand that…it's foreign)! I have a niece in law who is a trauma nurse (she's great) and she works in a hospital in a bad area and I can't even get her to carry a kubatan (spelling?) or pepper spray!!!
What can I say!

[TenorTim]

We looked at the g42. Specs are very close to my cm9. The only advantage I see is reduced recoil. Fine for carrying on or in the waistband. I think carrying off the body (purse) should only be considered as a last resort... Not EDC. The weight and length aren't practical for bra or thigh carry IMO...

[AIRret]

wyntrout, the reference to the R51 was started by harluk1.

[TenorTim]

Just had the wife rack my cm9 again... No problem... How would the cw380 compare to the CM9? About the same? Or harder because it's smaller?

[downtownv]

What were we talking about.....something about wives and racks? :D
Sorry....easyily disstracted with something shiney.:music:

Once again Jeepster, I agree with your fine points!
Racking a Kahr,has a trick to it for the weaker sex. hold across your mid-section; Pushing the grip in one direction and pushing the slide in the opposite!
My 110 lb school teaching daughter can do it this way......

[b4uqzme]

My 110 lb school teaching daughter can do it this way......

Yes technique is important. But how petite you are isn't necessarily a factor as your daughter proves. How old and arthritic you are certainly IS. :)

[SlowBurn]

Same springs as the P380, so compare that video to Hickock45 racking a P380 properly cleaned and lubed, using the right technique. (Go to the 4:30 mark in the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UERZBUqi7T0&sns=em

[SlowBurn]

SlowBurn, my step son is a DNR LEO and he Strongly warned me against carrying a gun in my purse.


AIRet, that's great advice for you. You're full time fully armed; a rare and wonderful thing for a lady. But I'd rather see a lady carry in her purse than not carry at all, which is usually the alternative.

[AIRret]

AIRet, that's great advice for you. You're full time fully armed; a rare and wonderful thing for a lady. But I'd rather see a lady carry in her purse than not carry at all, which is usually the alternative.

I Totally AGREE!!!!!

[AJBert]

AIRet, that's great advice for you. You're full time fully armed; a rare and wonderful thing for a lady. But I'd rather see a lady carry in her purse than not carry at all, which is usually the alternative.
I have to disagree. My wife was mugged from behind a few years ago. The ******* hit her hard from behind without her ever seeing him and he grabbed her purse and was gone before she even knew what had happened.


Had she been carrying in her purse there would have been a previously unarmed purse snatcher now emboldened by having a firearm.


As for what she carries, right now a Beretta Mod 70 in .32 ACP. It has been getting harder for her to rack it so she will be getting a Sig P238 very soon. Kind of a late birthday/early anniversary present.

[b4uqzme]

Same springs as the P380, so compare that video to Hickock45 racking a P380 properly cleaned and lubed, using the right technique. (Go to the 4:30 mark in the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UERZBUqi7T0&sns=em

Yep, he's a little fella ain't he? :rolleyes:

[340pd]

Our concern isn't as much what she can shoot best, but what she can carry best. If it isn't somewhat easy to carry.... then she'll eventually stop carrying it.

With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more.

A light small gun that she can't operate is worthless and potentially dangerous to all around her.
At that point suggest that she get a small, lightweight can of pepper spray.

If she finds herself in a situation where she needs a gun, I would expect she has the capability to shoot it accurately. Keep looking until you find what SHE can carry and operate effectively and shoot very accurately.

As for carry options check this lady out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogGBPVk5GQk&list=TLfve6HzSVsxZsnEB11Zt9Mu8NZ3FOM2K8

[TenorTim]

With all due respect, I couldn't disagree more.

A light small gun that she can't operate is worthless and potentially dangerous to all around her.

Later in the same post you quoted me from, I said "Small and easy to operate"... maybe that's none existent... I don't know. Which was the purpose in this thread. She doesn't like my CM9, because of it's size and weight. If it isn't convenient to carry ALL THE TIME, then it will be home in the safe when the time comes that she needs it.... just my 2 cents.

[berettabone]

After reading these posts, maybe we're at the point where she gets a S&W 442 or 642....................no rack, jack.

[hardluk1]

I am a big kahr fan But with a 380 that TCP is a good one. maybe the best trigger of any CC handgun with a pull weight of at or just over 4lbs. All the features of a larger pistol and they shoot accurately but the sights could stand some contrasting color paint. My wife and one daughter have a tcp each that I got to break I. 400 rounds thru each trouble free and many more in there hands. Just besure of the letter in the serial number. Ours have a C in them and the latest is D maybe E by now. Another 380 that's easy to shoot and rack that's still small in size is the bersa CC 380. 16oz with 8+1 rounds and right at the same size as a baby 9mm kahr. Ours works fine with the 9 round mag as backup. The bersa has a DA SA trigger with a decocker. That happens to be the girls other 380.


If Bersa also has a 20oz 15 round thunder but that's probably to big for your wife deal with but a lot of firepower in a small package.


My wifes 3 pistols as a comparison
http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l444/hardluk1/th_107_4232_zps4365532a.jpg (http://s331.photobucket.com/user/hardluk1/media/107_4232_zps4365532a.jpg.html)

[340pd]

Tim: There are plenty of small easy to operate semi autos out there. Beretta, Walther, Remington, some Sig's, etc. I am not mocking you, and I appreciate your question because I answer it on a near daily basis from one or another of my students.

In my opinion, small, light semi's, in unsure hands, are a disaster waiting to happen.

They are difficult to rack, especially with cold or wet hands.
They are very prone to malfunction unless the operator has a very solid grip.
They can be very ammo finicky.
Some of them have small safety levers that can be hard to operate if you are wearing gloves.
I left sights out of this because SD gun sights are seldom used in a shooting situation.

Advice from an old man that loves to see women carry firearms?

First try a 2-3" revolver in a caliber that she can handle and I don't care if it is a 22 magnum right up thru a Charter Arms 44 Bulldog.

Put the great deterrent--Crimson Trace Laser Grips in it. Hopefully the Red Dot on the aggressor will save you from hiring a lawyer someday, God forbid.

Teach her to defend herself at distances from 30', and closing fast. In reality, if she ever needs that gun it will most likely be from less than 10', so all you need is something that will function, no fail, every time she pulls the trigger.

I have lots of guns around the house. My wife's go to in an emergency is
my 340pd or 586Lcomp.

Manual of arms.... Point gun, pull trigger, repeat


http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/340pd.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/7shot_zps26ed8ffc.jpg

[TenorTim]

340pd, Thanks for the info. You make some very good points for choosing a revolver over semi autos... We actually started out looking at revolvers... Her mother has an Airlite .38 similar to your first pic. Even though it's lite, my wife still complains that it's bulky.... She thinks it would be tough to carry in a flash bang or thigh holster comfortably. Anyone women carrying one this way that could chime in? So that's why we started focusing on pocket .380's... Not because there the simplest, or easiest, or most accurate... but because they are the easiest to carry (i think). I've gotten a little flak for choosing carry-ability (is that a word?) over simplicity, or accuracy, but in the case of a woman, I think it's the most important factor... If it's bulky, heavy, poking her in her side, or just "making her look funny".... she won't carry it...period. Then none of the other factors in a good gun matter.... So my first priority is to find the most convenient gun for her to carry when wearing a dress, or skirt (what she wears most of the time), second is ease of operation, and third would be accuracy (since most defensive confrontations happen within 10 feet). Maybe a small to mid sized revolver in a heavier caliber would be best with an IWB holster when she's wearing jeans...Unfortunately jeans are rare for her.... especially in the summer... All that being said, I can see where a revolver would be a good choice for women in general. And we have by no means explored all the revolver options out there... Perhaps there is one that fits the bill... Thanks for keeping me open minded 340pd....

[berettabone]

340pd, Thanks for the info. You make some very good points for choosing a revolver over semi autos... We actually started out looking at revolvers... Her mother has an Airlite .38 similar to your first pic. Even though it's lite, my wife still complains that it's bulky.... She thinks it would be tough to carry in a flash bang or thigh holster comfortably. Anyone women carrying one this way that could chime in? So that's why we started focusing on pocket .380's... Not because there the simplest, or easiest, or most accurate... but because they are the easiest to carry (i think). I've gotten a little flak for choosing carry-ability (is that a word?) over simplicity, or accuracy, but in the case of a woman, I think it's the most important factor... If it's bulky, heavy, poking her in her side, or just "making her look funny".... she won't carry it...period. Then none of the other factors in a good gun matter.... So my first priority is to find the most convenient gun for her to carry when wearing a dress, or skirt (what she wears most of the time), second is ease of operation, and third would be accuracy (since most defensive confrontations happen within 10 feet). Maybe a small to mid sized revolver in a heavier caliber would be best with an IWB holster when she's wearing jeans...Unfortunately jeans are rare for her.... especially in the summer... All that being said, I can see where a revolver would be a good choice for women in general. And we have by no means explored all the revolver options out there... Perhaps there is one that fits the bill... Thanks for keeping me open minded 340pd....
This is why some people have more than one mode of carry. A small wheel gun, in a Remora, tucked in the undies..........works for me.;)

[Bawanna]

Woman can get away with a fashionable fanny type pack as well. The smaller and daintier it is the better and it doesn't crash the over all package.

I carried a fanny pack for many years, it was right handy. Useful for lots of stuff too. Kind of a grab and go no matter the weather kind of thing.

That being said I much prefer a regular belt carry. More manly I guess.

[340pd]

I understand. She is correct, the little revolvers are a bit bulky. Hey it is her gun so she is the final decider. Now let's find something that will make everyone happy.

Seecamp .32? You load it for her and she literally never has to touch it except for you routine cleaning it. Last ditch gun, no aiming necessary and she can literally hide it in her hand as she walks to the car from the store.
Kicks hard, but will save her life. I would not want to get hit by a SD load out of that little gun at close range.
Ruger also has a similar model, the LCP .380

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/gnystrom_photos/Seecamp.jpg

[jeepster09]

I am pretty sure this is the one Bawanna used......

[Bawanna]

Well shucks, where did you get that picture of my "rig".:o:o

[b4uqzme]

My brother-in-law just got one of these: Beretta Tomcat .32. We're getting pretty small in caliber but it has it's advantages: it's a pretty easy shooter + you don't have to rack it...just flip up the barrel and put one right in the chamber. And it's small and light despite being all metal. And they aren't very expensive either.

[b4uqzme]

I've gotten a little flak for choosing carry-ability (is that a word?) over simplicity, or accuracy, but in the case of a woman, I think it's the most important factor... If it's bulky, heavy, poking her in her side, or just "making her look funny".... she won't carry it...period. .

I think I understood what you meant when you originally said it. It's all about compromise: size, weight, power, shoot-ability, lethality and just plain "what she likes".

You do your best to maximize the sum total of all the factors. But the 2 you mention: will she actually carry it? vs. can she shoot it well? are at direct odds against each other. Although your point is valid that if she leaves it at home it is no good for her, I still tend to agree with the other side. If she cannot shoot it proficiently -- if she cannot train with it -- it might as well be left at home. It's not gonna save her anyways unless she gets real lucky and she's more likely to harm someone else. And get herself in a real legal trick bag too.

Good luck. This is one I've been wrestling with too.

[MW surveyor]

I'm going to second (or third) the TCP. It is quite possibly the easiest semi auto that I have as far as rackablity (just made that word up) outside of my 22s. Generally pretty accurate and easy to carry. I do also have a 638 and a few others that I carry from time to time. The TCP is the one that I have on me most of the time.

[AIRret]

Hey Folks, I'm impressed and happy! This is the most thorough (dissection) discussion of this issue I've seen since I joined in 2012!!
It's great….these are serious problems for women and the men that love them!
Thanks

[berettabone]

We are attentive and trainable...................................:D

[AIRret]

We are attentive and trainable...................................:D

Yes!! And you deeply care about the people you love!

I think it's one of the reasons we carry!!

[h2ohhh]

I'll add an endorsement for the Sig P238. My daughter is very petite, has no problems racking this smooth as butter weapon and its eminently concealable. Comes in a variety of finishes.http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/27/sareqyty.jpg

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[Jeremiah/Az]

My girlfriend is new to handgun shooting. She is a light weight at 115 lbs. I bought her the S/W 637 .38 spl. It is very light weight & can be shot dbl. or single action. I reload light 148 grn. wadcutters for reduced recoil. She does well with it. A semi auto is just too complicated for her being new to handguns.

[muggsy]

Jeremiah, the car that your girlfriend drove to the range weights over 2000 pounds and has thousands of moving parts. If she can't handle a firearm that weights less than two pounds and has about seven moving parts you had better take her keys away from her. Never under estimate the powers of a woman. A woman can make a man look like a fool in under a minute. Yours just did.

[TenorTim]

Muggsy, I see in your signature you own the CM9 and P380... Can you tell us how racking the CW380 compares to the CM9? Harder? About the same? My wife can rack my CM9 fine...

[340pd]

My brother-in-law just got one of these: Beretta Tomcat .32. We're getting pretty small in caliber but it has it's advantages: it's a pretty easy shooter + you don't have to rack it...just flip up the barrel and put one right in the chamber. And it's small and light despite being all metal. And they aren't very expensive either.

+1 on the Tomcat suggestion. Easy to operate, small, reliable, low cost. A great last ditch close range firearm.

[TenorTim]

My list of guns for her to try is getting longer and longer... thanks guys! Finally found a CW380 about 2 hrs away... Gonna try to get it in her hands soon... We'll make sure she eats her Wheaties that morning! Gonna try to find a gun show somewhere close too... Just like shoes and purses and everything else, she'll need to try a bunch on before she settles on one... :(

[Buzzard45]

Mind if i throw another into your mix? just get her two, one for each ankle,thigh, or hip.(keep her balanced ya know)
:banplease:

http://www.doubletapdefense.com/

[muggsy]

Muggsy, I see in your signature you own the CM9 and P380... Can you tell us how racking the CW380 compares to the CM9? Harder? About the same? My wife can rack my CM9 fine...

The P380 is a little stiffer to operate than the CM9 in part because there is less to grasp on the P380 and because I haven't owned the P380 for as long. I believe that Kahr intended this pistol to be a back-up to a man's primary carry and not as a ladies gun. After it's broken in a woman using the proper technique, should be able to lock the slide back on an empty mag provided that she doesn't have problems with carpal tunnel or arthritis and is of average strength. There are other .380's that are much easier to rack. You would think that some enterprising person could come up with a product that would make racking the slide easier. Are you listening Uplula?

[100percent]

Id venture that the guy who made the video needs a bit more hand grip. Apologies to him if he sees this remark.

I have my PM 40 set up with heavy duty rated Wolff springs and had my wife rack it. She is 60 years old 120 pounds and she loaded a round the right way. Maybe the 380 is stiffer.

Good point made about loading your loved ones semi auto but if it malfunctions they are done. A revolver is great that way, just keep pulling the trigger. Something like that is great for emergencies.

[AIRret]

Walther is coming out with a new gun in April or May. It's called the Walther ccp
(concealed carry pistol). It has a gas blow back system that reduces recoil and lightens
up the recoil spring making racking it a breeze.
Here's the info.

http://www.guns.com/2014/03/20/walther-ccp-concealed-carry-pistol-full-specs-pricing-revealed/



http://www.waltherarms.com/ccp/#.UzQ0NL4o670

We spoke to a Walther repair person today by the name of Zack about my husbands PPQ
(I'll go back to my original thread on my husband's gun going full auto and report on his answers to that issue in just a minute). After we took care of business he asked us if we heard about the new Walther ccp. We hadn't so he told us about the gun, and briefly explained why it is/was so easy to rack and so soft in recoil.
Anyway I mention this thread on the Kahr forum and he emailed me the web links for the information.
I hope this will be helpful.
Obviously, this is a brand new gun model and I would be careful to fully testing it before
using it for self defense.

Another thought.
As mention before by myself and several others there are some (few) carry guns that are easy to rack but most of them (being small) are a little rough in the recoil department.
This guns suppose to have a soft touch in both areas …….maybe there is hope for folks with bad arthritis!

[b4uqzme]

^^^^ thanks! This will go on the short list along with the Remington R51 and various Sigs.

[AIRret]

Your welcome b4uqzme.

[DavidR]

Walther is coming out with a new gun in April or May. It's called the Walther ccp
(concealed carry pistol). It has a gas blow back system that reduces recoil and lightens
up the recoil spring making racking it a breeze.
Here's the info.

http://www.guns.com/2014/03/20/walther-ccp-concealed-carry-pistol-full-specs-pricing-revealed/



http://www.waltherarms.com/ccp/#.UzQ0NL4o670

We spoke to a Walther repair person today by the name of Zack about my husbands PPQ
(I'll go back to my original thread on my husband's gun going full auto and report on his answers to that issue in just a minute). After we took care of business he asked us if we heard about the new Walther ccp. We hadn't so he told us about the gun, and briefly explained why it is/was so easy to rack and so soft in recoil.
Anyway I mention this thread on the Kahr forum and he emailed me the web links for the information.
I hope this will be helpful.
Obviously, this is a brand new gun model and I would be careful to fully testing it before
using it for self defense.

Another thought.
As mention before by myself and several others there are some (few) carry guns that are easy to rack but most of them (being small) are a little rough in the recoil department.
This guns suppose to have a soft touch in both areas …….maybe there is hope for folks with bad arthritis!

Thanks for that information. My LGS carries Walther so I hope to be able to check it out. I'm in the market for an easy-racking small 9mm.

[Armybrat]

Don't forget the North American Guardian - it comes in .32 & .380.
Basically a clone of the Seecamp, but less expensive.

[RainingAgain]

Our concern isn't as much what she can shoot best, but what she can carry best. If it isn't somewhat easy to carry.... then she'll eventually stop carrying it. My wife is small and petite. Even my CM9 prints a lot on her side... Since women's atire can be vastly different from one day to the next, i think women ought to have several holster options to facilitate her attire that day... So something like a flash bang, or thigh holster might work better some days... This is why the weight and size are really important to her... I know we should dress around the gun, but if it's not easy to carry, I doubt she'll carry it for long... SO a small easy to operate auto will be her EDC... Then perhaps a mid sized for those days she's wearing jeans and can carry IWB...I have several holster options and several guns so that dressing around them is easier. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

[muggsy]

My wife can rack my CM9... but just barely.... Was hoping the CW380 would be similar to the TCP... Seems a little deceptive that all the advertisements show petite ladies with Kahrs in their hands...

What, you rather see them advertised by fat bald headed old men? If so, submit my name to the advertising dept. Hell, I thought the girl came with the gun. Talk about being duped. :)

[TenorTim]

Well i finally got the wife to a dealer that had a CW380 in stock... (A 2 hr drive). My fears were confirmed... In spite of being able to rack my CM9, she could not get the 380 slide back. I really wanted her to have a Kahr for EDC. I love the quality and trigger of these guns... The owner pulled out a S&W bodyguard and an LCP. She was amazed at how much easier they were to rack. It was big difference. I just don't get it. Why can't Kahr do something to make it easier on the ladies? With advertising like this, http://www.kahr.com/PDF/ad2010_sexy2.pdfhttp://www.kahr.com/PDF/ad2010_sexy2.pdf you'd think they would be designing with women in mind.... Makes no since to focus the advertising at them, but not the design.... What gives?

[jeepster09]

Have you looked at Beretta Nano? Racks pretty easy.

[100percent]

Tim
So which did she pick? The SW or Ruger? Did she try the Glock 42?

My wife has a couple of Glocks and likes them a lot. She has a 17 year old 19 and a 10 year old 27. Both rack easier than my Kahr PM40. She is 60 with R.H. She also has a LCP and carries it although is not impressed with the firepower, but it weighs half of her Glocks.

Alternatively, you might rack her unrackable gun. I like the idea of the Beretta Tomcat with a tip up barrel.

[berettabone]

No such thing as the perfect firearm, just like no such thing as the perfect holster. I think, most of us have what we deem close, for us, or for particular situations. Don't give up..............I still like a revolver recommendation. At the range I attend, there is a specific area, for " pocket rockets"..........about an 8 ft. shot to the targets. Good for getting used to small firearms.

[TenorTim]

Yes we've looked at the nano & glock 42. Both were a little larger than she wants.. We've narrowed it down to the bodyguard or Taurus TCP...

[berettabone]

I had a BG semi myself..............sold it and got a Kahr. Trigger was ok........sights were lousy, but it always fired. Not good for anything over 7 yds. Very easy to carry.

[garyb]

Well this is another "looking for a gun for the wife" posts.... I took her to the local gun shop yesterday... No Kahr dealers close to me, so I had her tiddle with a LCP and a TCP.... She liked the TCP and was able to rack the slide with no effort.... I really want to let her hold a CW380 (I've been wanting one since they hit the market, but didn't have an excuse... now I do.. It's for her! lol) With no dealers, I'm really considering buying from the net.... but a video I watched today concerns me... See the link below... Specifically the last 30 seconds or so.... Thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1EKpqStHnY


When we purchased my wife her handgun, we went together and looked at everything we could find for several months. My wife could not work the slide on many, many guns. My advice is to guide your wife, but let your wife decide. Don't let one vid affect your opinion.

[TenorTim]

When we purchased my wife her handgun, we went together and looked at everything we could find for several months. My wife could not work the slide on many, many guns. My advice is to guide your wife, but let your wife decide. Don't let one vid affect your opinion.

I appreciate your insight. If you look a few posts back you'll see that i finally was able to take her to gun shop that had the CW380 in stock. No wanting to believe one video, I had her try the gun... Unfortunately, that gun seemed about as difficult to rack as the video implied. So i let her try every other pistol in the store she wanted.... We've narrowed it down to the S&W BG or TCP... Just a little upset that Kahr seems to market to women, but not design with them in mind... Kinda confusing.

[hardluk1]

Those 380 bodygards have the worse small gun triggers made. She may rack in fine but the trigger pull will make round on paper interesting.


TCP has the best trigger out there at close to 4lbs and smooth. Prices are far lower depending on finish. get the SS or black SS model as they come with 2 mags.


The kahrs do soften with rounds fired and I love my 9mm and 40sw kahrs but for a 380 its bersa and tcp.


My wife su-prised me last week , she brought home a Taurus PT111g2 that so far has 400 rounds trouble free rounds fired and is her new cc pistol. I may get one in 40sw, Nice pistol. Bud's price right now is crasy low too.

[b4uqzme]

My wife can rack my CM9... but just barely.... Was hoping the CW380 would be similar to the TCP... Seems a little deceptive that all the advertisements show petite ladies with Kahrs in their hands...

I kinda doubt that those petite ladies are marketing attempts aimed at other ladies...just sayin'. ;)

[Tinman507]

So you're saying most of us gun owners are horn dawgs?

[downtownv]

What were we talking about.....something about wives and racks? :D
Sorry....easyily disstracted with something shiney.:music:

Ahhh Jeepster again you make very good points! ( * )( * )

[TenorTim]

I kinda doubt that those petite ladies are marketing attempts aimed at other ladies...just sayin'. ;)
Yeah of course, but you'd think it at least implies that the lady holding it would actually be able operate it.

[b4uqzme]

^^^^ nope. It only implies that she's good looking. :D