P380/CW380 DB9 size comparison help

[green02crew]

Looking to see if anyone has both a Diamondback DB9 and Kahr 380 and willing to do a size comparison for me.

Considering both for my next carry. Wife has the p380 and I had a pm9 and currently a bodyguard 380 for carry. Not looking to get into caliber or brand debate but I can't find a diamondback to do a size comparison anywhere locally.

I found the PM9 too large and the bodyguard leaves a lot to be desired in my eyes. So I've narrowed it down to those two out of the extremely large amount of options.

Looking for photos of them sitting side by side upside down for height comparison and also length comparisons. Can't find anything online as far as photo comparisons. Numbers can be misleading. Thanks!

[muggsy]

I'm not one to bad mouth guns, but the DB9 is one that I'd avoid. It has a very bad reputation for durability and reliability. Size wise their about the same with the DB9 being a bit slimmer. The DB doesn't recommend using 147 gr. bullets or +P ammunition.

[green02crew]

I have researched all options heavily and am aware of what I would be getting into no matter what I purchase or what caliber. I am unable to locate a db9 for hands on comparisons with what is known to me, the p380. The numbers don't sound much larger but I just am looking for some comparison shots. Thanks for the concern though!

[TheTman]

I had a DB9 and it was the most worthless POS I ever owned. I could NOT shoot a whole magazine without some type of failure. People with larger hands seemed to be able to shoot it ok, Your hands really have to support the grip securely to keep it the gun from flexing. No way would I give a DB9 to a woman. Unless you want her to have a single shot pistol. I'd rather have a good wrist rocket sling shot, than a DB9, you might look at their forum and see how rudely they treat people that have problems. The management, not the other users are the rudest. I tried to work with them, but got tired of all the BS.

[green02crew]

Again I'm not looking to argue brands, calibers, reputations or the like. Just simply looking to see if someone has both that could do a size comparison for me between a p380 and db9. I've research all factors and know what I would be getting into with both guns.

[jocko]

I think I read somewhere where kahr filed and won a maor lawsuit against DB over patent infringement. Not that means anything. I hav enot read many good reports on
DB, not tryingto aruge any point here either.They are just dow the block form the kel tek factory and not sure they don't have an under grund tunnel to each utter....

[SlowBurn]

Being different calibers by different manufacturers you may not find a side by side. It might tell you something to look at a side by side between the DB380 and the db9 because I think the DB380 and the Kahr 380 are pretty close in dimension, weight, etc.

Diamondback was acquired by Taurus last year.
http://www.taurususa.com/news-detail.cfm?newsID=50

[green02crew]

Yes kahr did win a lawsuit against them. I don't know what they were required to do to make it right though? Taurus also acquired heritage arms. They are really expanding which makes me look harder at those brands with the backing of Taurus.

[jocko]

Yes kahr did win a lawsuit against them. I don't know what they were required to do to make it right though? Taurus also acquired heritage arms. They are really expanding which makes me look harder at those brands with the backing of Taurus.

I am not mistake it wasin the cocking cam design,which kahr has the patent on.. Jut sayin

[kwh]

Don't know how to make it so you can "click on" but if you type in pocketautocomparison.pdf, I think you will find exactly what you are looking for.

[green02crew]

I did stumble across the pocket auto comparison PDF and the numbers are readily available but I wasn't sure if someone had both that could just snap a couple quick pictures to compare them for me side by side and stacked.

[muggsy]

DB was started by disgruntled workers from KelTec. There is no comparison between the DB and the Kahr pistol line. It's like camparing a Corvette to a Vega. Do yourself a big favor and forget about the DB. Here's a link to a size comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjkKFTJLjpc

[green02crew]

Thanks for the video link. Still looking for some photo comparisons between a db9 and p380/cw380.

[SlowBurn]

Thanks for the video link. Still looking for some photo comparisons between a db9 and p380/cw380.

This guy does a side by side btween the db9 and the ruger lcp, which is pretty close to the same size as the p380.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjdzLzr5_E0

[green02crew]

Thanks for the video. Those lcps just aren't that small it seems.

[SDGlock23]

I'll add to the fun, and I'm not bashing the DB9 just because this is a Kahr forum. However, I owned two and they were garbage, both of them. The first one I had was all black, and after messing with it for a while it ran about 50% of the time, then sold it. I gave DB some more time, thinking maybe they would fix it right, second one I bought was worse than the first, and ran very sporadically. But the worst part was that slide bite, there's not really anything shielding the slide from digging into your hand when you shoot it, so I had to hold it awkwardly to avoid getting bit.

I liked the concept of the DB9, but the execution of it was poorly done. I did have a few LCP's too, and the DB9 is bigger than an LCP, but it's still small for what it is. I haven't compared one to a Kahr, but I'll be ordering my CW380 this weekend. Seriously, I'd really reconsider the DB9 if I were you, I'm just trying to warn you beforehand. Overall I'd rather have a 9mm than a 380, but not at the expensive of owning a DB9, that wasn't a good experience, but I was super pleased with the CM9 I had.

[SlowBurn]

I'll add to the fun, and I'm not bashing the DB9 just because this is a Kahr forum. However, I owned two and they were garbage, both of them....
I liked the concept of the DB9, but the execution of it was poorly done.

My sense after reading and watching reviews is that it's pushing the envelope a bit too far. I don't think a reliable 9mm semi-auto that small can be made with current materials and technology.

[muggsy]

The CM9 and DB nine are almost identical in size with the DB9 being .1" thinner. The P380 is substantially smaller than the DB9. It's the same size as the DB380. The major difference between the brands is that the Kahr pistols are quality built and the DB9 pistols aren't. If you want a less expensive yet quality built 380 go with the CW380. If you want a less expensive quality built pocket 9MM go with the Kahr CM9.

[TheTman]

I would have taken pictures for you, but I sold that DB9 POS to the first guy that would take it. I told him my problem with the gun, but he had big hands so I imagine the gun worked better for him. I never heard any complaints anyway. I'd rather have a KelTec or SCCY or about anything else than a DB9. Even a Bow and Arrow.

[jocko]

The CM9 and DB nine are almost identical in size with the DB9 being .1" thinner. The P380 is substantially smaller than the DB9. It's the same size as the DB380. The major difference between the brands is that the Kahr pistols are quality built and the DB9 pistols aren't. If you want a less expensive yet quality built 380 go with the CW380. If you want a less expensive quality built pocket 9MM go with the Kahr CM9.

muggsy very well stated, very good on ur part. I bet ur wife wrote that for u. Just sayin:banplease:

[green02crew]

Well the db9 isn't getting much love here for sure. I'm looking for a backup gun that can hit 25 yards and has real sights so I can hit 25 yards with it as I will have to qualify with it timed. I'm not a caliber snob and would rather go for the smallest gun possible while being reliable. Just the price and caliber of the db9 makes it tempting. I don't like my bodyguard 380, bad trigger, mediocre sights, useless laser that just adds weight and a safety ruins it for me.

[b4uqzme]

I'm sure there are forums that wouldn't give Kahrs much love either but I gotta think you'll be doing yourself a favor if you chose the CW380 instead of the DB9. And they really aren't that much more $$$.

25 yards huh? That's a tall order for any small SD gun.

[FCastle88]

There isn't much love for the DB9 and DB380 anywhere. I've never seen any other guns get bad owner reviews so consistently. I honestly think I can count the number of people I've seen say theirs is actually reliable on one hand. The DB9 is pretty much the same size as the CM9. The CM9 is the same price online as well, even slightly cheaper a few places. The CW380 is smaller and cheaper.

[100percent]

Supposedly the PF9 Keltec is the thinnest 9mm around. And one of the cheapest. In the PF9 crowd, George Zimmerman is one of several that has been required to use one. It is cheap looking like most KelTecs but it is effective. You can even get a 22 conversion kit for it.

[carwash]

Here are some pics from the web that may help...

DB9 vs PM9

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/drgun/P1030740.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/drgun/P1030743.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y91/drgun/P1030742.jpg

...looks roughly the same only thinner.

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PM9 vs P380

http://www.mexicoarmado.com/attachments/semi-automaticas/144129d1256004610-cual-es-la-mejor-arma-mdtl_p3833vspm9.jpg

...plenty of Kahr comparison out there, P/CM380 looks like it will be much smaller although maybe not much thinner than the DB9.

[yqtszhj]

Let's look at weight and reliability from what I've read and experienced:

Ruger LCP - 12 oz. loaded and mine is 100% reliable, pocket carries easy...
DB9 - About 14 oz. Loaded???, no personal experience, ammo sensitive they say.
S&W jframe - 16 oz. loaded w/ 5 rounds, and mine is 100% reliable and pocket carried easy all the time.
CM9 - about 20 oz. loaded and mine is 100% reliable, and is my IWB gun.

For what it's worth I hope this helps.

[SlowBurn]

I'm looking for a backup gun that can hit 25 yards and has real sights so I can hit 25 yards with it as I will have to qualify with it timed. I'm not a caliber snob and would rather go for the smallest gun possible while being reliable.


Even the most forgiving reviewers say the DB9 can't use cheap range ammo, because it needs more oomph for the recoil system to work. (But it also can't use +p. Evidently this gun is Goldilocks)

So if you do get a DB9, it's going to be pretty expensive to train with it.

[Acasper708]

I read somewhere that DB is made by Taurus?

But a few people here said it was started by disgruntle keltec employees.
Are they getting confused with SCCY? I know SCCY was started by ex Keltec employees.


As for the PF9. My uncle just bought one from Bud's.
He had to clean it real good and did a fluff n buff on the internals.
He's got 200 flawless rounds through it so far.

I carry a CW45 now and if/when im in the market for a small 9mm.
It will be the CM9, cause I'm already comfortable with a Kahr.

[green02crew]

The only other option I'm willing to look at would be the beretta pico. But that isn't out yet. It's also hammer instead of striker so I'm sure it won't be as nice a trigger. But they seem to have the added option of getting a built in 70 lumen light. That is a good feature. Mag release seems odd on it.