New to forum - why all problems.

[Philly3458]

Seems like many problems reported for the PM9/CM9 - I was under the impression these were high quality guns.


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[Rubb]

http://kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?t=13168

[DavidR]

A lot of people have good experiences. I bought both a CM9 and a CW9 earlier this year. Both have been fine with 400 rounds through each of them. Unfortunately, some people are having problems. Mostly broken followers but some FTF problems. It's hard to tell how isolated it is but it seems to occur more than it should.

[mser]

I was under the impression these were high quality guns.


They are indeed high quality pistols. Like anything else, you're going to read a lot of negative on the forums. Problems are shouted from the mountain tops, but praises are rarely sung. I, for one, can't speak highly enough about my PM9. It's been my off duty / backup pistol since November '02. Many others have come and gone during that time, but the PM9 has remained.


My son recently picked up a CM9. He couldn't be happier. He wanted the old mans PM9, but that wasn't going to happen.

[Philly3458]

So far my impression of my new PM9 is frankly the best sub-compact 9mm I have owned. And I have been through a Nano, shield and XDS.




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[berettabone]

Where else would you read about the problems? Out of all the firearms they sell, the gripes are few and far between, comparing number to number.

[jocko]

Seems like many problems reported for the PM9/CM9 - I was under the impression these were high quality guns.


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believe everything u read. My PMJ9 has over 32K rounds through it and the fokker never shoots where I aqim it. Mind ya, it has never malfunctioned either nor broke qanything excpet one followers a few years bac, but I am not happy tha tit doesan't shoot where I aim it. I ha dthe same thing with my M &Y P 9 to and my Para carry 9, none of those fokkers were worth a sh!t either. Now my G19 which was recently stoelen would shoot um in te same hole, so I know it is not ol jocko. My eyes site is 20-1000. I can see two nats goin at it at 100 yards even, so it is the gun for sure. Kahr never answers my emails either about this accuracy issue. I hat eto trade it as I don't want the new guy getting such an inaccurate gun, so I am forced to keep it and carry it 24/7 in my front pocket. I now train at 5 yards and under to imporve my accuracy. obody on this forum has offered to helpo me either, so dn't base to much faith in getting any help from these fokkers. They are selfish to say the least:banplease: All guys like tin man want sot do is post nasty photos, and guys like Muggsy hammers every newbie who comes on here. Our colonel tries to control this wild ass forum but has little luck:banplease: One of our higher up mod guys has some fancy rifle tha the boughty that we cannot find if it was ever made to resell, so he has little time for this forum.

Houston, we have a problem!!! Just sayin:third:

[deadeye]

I have felt kind of left out here. Nothing to complain about! CM9, year and a half old, over 2000 rounds and not even one problem. No modifications, no broken followers, no FTF's or FTE's. Makes a guy feel a little lonely. But I'll keep it anyway.

[b4uqzme]

I got stuff to complain about...just not about Kahrs. Is there a "my wife is a serious pain in my neck" forum somewhere? :rolleyes:

[Pointblank]

Many people do not follow the manufacturer's recommendations for break-in period and operation. Many people buy the cheapest crap ammo for their finely-tuned pistols. Many people shouldn't buy a micro-compact pistol as their first gun and are overwhelmed by it. Besides all that, every brand of every product has some lemons. Humans are imperfect.

[Bawanna]

I got stuff to complain about...just not about Kahrs. Is there a "my wife is a serious pain in my neck" forum somewhere? :rolleyes:

You too huh? Tough weekend here too.

[CJB]

problems? what problems? I have no problems... and I own three PM's.

[HAP1978]

I hear ya about the wife complaints boys. It's just me and 3 women (my wife and two young daughters) in my house. When those estrogen oceans collide, I run and hide.

By the way, my Kahrs are great. Best handguns I've ever owned and I've owned several other brands over the years.

[JERRY]

some kahrs are good, some are bad. the gripe I think comes because folks who pay $600+ for a gun for some reason think it should work right without having to kitchen table gunsmith it themselves.

[xsailer]

Yeap...that's what I expect. Something wrong with that?

[sharpenit]

some kahrs are good, some are bad. the gripe I think comes because folks who pay $600+ for a gun for some reason think it should work right without having to kitchen table gunsmith it themselves.

That's exactly what I said when I bought a brand new CM9 and then had to fix it myself. Finally got it running and it has been flawless since, but man was I p.o.'ed when I first got it.

[mser]

some kahrs are good, some are bad. the gripe I think comes because folks who pay $600+ for a gun for some reason think it should work right without having to kitchen table gunsmith it themselves.


Yeap...that's what I expect. Something wrong with that?


Nope. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[JERRY]

ive owned four kahrs in my time, a K9, an MK9 a PM9, and a PM45. the PM45 was expensive to "fix" because I spent more time and money clearing jams and kitchen table gunsmithing it until it worked. I finally got it to work 100% but the charm had worn off with the sweat, tears, and money on ammo.....


the 9mm guns have been excellent, enough so that I would trade a non-locked S&W J frame for one...

[jocko]

You too huh? Tough weekend here too.

wife complained alot:banplease: Need I say more:amflag:

[Bill K]

I'm one of the folks who had several issues with my then new PM9. With some parts from Kahr and help from folks here on KT I was able to get it, the PM9, up and running. This piece has become the carry I have with me most of the time.

[b4uqzme]

believe everything u read. My PMJ9 has over 32K rounds through it and the fokker never shoots where I aqim it. Mind ya, it has never malfunctioned either nor broke qanything excpet one followers a few years bac, but I am not happy tha tit doesan't shoot where I aim it. I ha dthe same thing with my M &Y P 9 to and my Para carry 9, none of those fokkers were worth a sh!t either. Now my G19 which was recently stoelen would shoot um in te same hole, so I know it is not ol jocko. My eyes site is 20-1000. I can see two nats goin at it at 100 yards even, so it is the gun for sure. Kahr never answers my emails either about this accuracy issue. I hat eto trade it as I don't want the new guy getting such an inaccurate gun, so I am forced to keep it and carry it 24/7 in my front pocket. I now train at 5 yards and under to imporve my accuracy. obody on this forum has offered to helpo me either, so dn't base to much faith in getting any help from these fokkers. They are selfish to say the least:banplease: All guys like tin man want sot do is post nasty photos, and guys like Muggsy hammers every newbie who comes on here. Our colonel tries to control this wild ass forum but has little luck:banplease: One of our higher up mod guys has some fancy rifle tha the boughty that we cannot find if it was ever made to resell, so he has little time for this forum.

Houston, we have a problem!!! Just sayin:third:

Maybe if you put a little wool around that target? Bet you could center-punch the fokker then! There, was that helpful? :rolleyes:

[firedude]

I am having my share of problems. I followed breakin and pre check to a tee. Had many failures to feed with all ammo. Also broke mag follower. Modded extractor and feed ramp which seems to have taken care of issues but recoil assembly came apart. Nut is missing and recoil spring was bent badly. Waiting on new parts. Gun is a CM 40. Folks here have been very helpful through out.

[twowheels]

I have a cw 380, a cm9 and a cw45. The 380 had a bad extractor and too much extractor tension. I fixed it and its more reliable but not perfect. The last time I shot it, it ran great with 6-8 mags and then stovepiped with a hollow point round.

The cm9 has run pretty well but occasionally has a ftf or stovepipe.

The cw45 has been almost perfect but in 600 rounds it occasionally stovepipes.

My CZs have run tens of thousands of rounds with about 2 ftfs that were due to slightly oversized handloads.

My sigs have also digested thousands of rounds with not a single problem that I can think of, none in a 228, a 226, a 239 and a 220.

I want to like the kahrs because I like how they carry and how they shoot. But to be perfectly honest, I don't trust them and I am getting tired of running mag after mag through them only to have them hiccup on me.

I haven't given up yet but I am getting closer to saying screw it and selling the things.

[muggsy]

Many people do not follow the manufacturer's recommendations for break-in period and operation. Many people buy the cheapest crap ammo for their finely-tuned pistols. Many people shouldn't buy a micro-compact pistol as their first gun and are overwhelmed by it. Besides all that, every brand of every product has some lemons. Humans are imperfect.

Damn it, Pointblank, if I were to die tomorrow you could easily take my place. That's exactly what I was going to say. It's Deja vu all over again. You must be from Cleveland. :)

[muggsy]

Maybe if you put a little wool around that target? Bet you could center-punch the fokker then! There, was that helpful? :rolleyes:

We have a winner, folks! Need I say more. :)

[muggsy]

I have a cw 380, a cm9 and a cw45. The 380 had a bad extractor and too much extractor tension. I fixed it and its more reliable but not perfect. The last time I shot it, it ran great with 6-8 mags and then stovepiped with a hollow point round.

The cm9 has run pretty well but occasionally has a ftf or stovepipe.

The cw45 has been almost perfect but in 600 rounds it occasionally stovepipes.

My CZs have run tens of thousands of rounds with about 2 ftfs that were due to slightly oversized handloads.

My sigs have also digested thousands of rounds with not a single problem that I can think of, none in a 228, a 226, a 239 and a 220.

I want to like the kahrs because I like how they carry and how they shoot. But to be perfectly honest, I don't trust them and I am getting tired of running mag after mag through them only to have them hiccup on me.

I haven't given up yet but I am getting closer to saying screw it and selling the things.

The tighter a gun is built the less room for error. The smaller and thinner a gun is built the less room for error. The problem with the 228, 226, 239, ans 220 is that they aren't carried as often as a PM9 or a P380. Once you get then running correctly the Kahrs are as reliable as any other semi-auto.

[twowheels]

The tighter a gun is built the less room for error. The smaller and thinner a gun is built the less room for error. The problem with the 228, 226, 239, ans 220 is that they aren't carried as often as a PM9 or a P380. Once you get then running correctly the Kahrs are as reliable as any other semi-auto.

I've got at least 600 rounds through each of them and, after polishing mag tubes and lips, cleaning and lubing with synthetic oil only (which they like more than grease), feeding consistent high quality ammo that the guns like, taking a careful look at extractors and tension, making sure that recoil springs are fresh and in good shape, I can say that after firing approx 100,000 rounds of handgun ammo, I've had more misfires of various sorts in 1800 rounds through these 3 kahrs than collectively with the other 98,000 rounds I've fired in dozens of different handguns.

A friend has been fondling the cm9 and may want to buy it off me. I'm going to give it to him this weekend to play with for a while and if he wants it I'll probably sell it to him.

I'll probably keep trying to break in the CWs..... In the meantime, when I carry its going to be the 642. If I can't get the CWs to run, I might just try an XDS.

[TheTman]

One thing to consider, is that tens of thousands of them have probably been sold, and say we have 30-40 people that have problems and come here for help. Try that with a automobile, or motorcycle, or anything else manufactured, and the failure rate seems to be pretty low to me. Even the 1911 has it's share of problems. Seems to me like the vast majority work fine, but of course few people come in and brag on a CM9 that functions perfectly, although we had quite a few bragging on the gun when it was newly released. If I didn't have my Boberg XR9S, a CM9 would probably be one my list. A CM45 is definitely on this list, although the XDS compact .45 may come home with me if Kahr doesn't get a move on and get some on the gun store shelves.

[smokersteve]

I know a lot of people have problems with their Kahrs. For me fortunately I am not one of them. My CW380 had 1 fte with a defensive round on the first range trip. Flawless since then with all types of ammo, even Tula steel. My CM9 has been perfect up to 280 rounds with all types of ammo also.

It is odd that these Kahrs take so much prep time though. You would think that a company that claims their product to be quality made would have them running right out of the box.

One reason I like Glocks is all you need to do with a new one is check the barrel for obstructions and then go shoot it. I still haven't totally cleaned my gen 4 Glock 19 and have plenty of rounds through it-flawless with all types of ammo.

S&W and Glock have Kahr beat hands down for ease of use. For example, in all my Smiths and all my Glocks I've never once taken a mag apart to clean it. In both Kahrs I had to take the mags apart, clean it, sand the follower, sand the inside of the mag, & one of them I had to squeeze the mag to get it to drop out. Another example would be lubing the guns. S&W and Glocks take about 1/8 the amount of oil to lube them compared to Kahr. Every time I lube my Kahrs I think I might as well dunk it in a tub of oil.

I have my Kahrs because they are the right size gun for what I want. If S&W or Glock had the same size guns for what I want I would not own a Kahr.

[firedude]

The problems i ( and several others ) am having has nothing to do with break in or shooter problems. Broken followers. Recoil assembly coming apart. Way to much extractor tension. These problems are the gun.

[Baklash]

I have not had a single problem with my cw9 and I am probably in the majority of owners. However, If I had the problems some have reported here I would be upset too, but I think there are bound to be a few problems out there considering how many are sold. It's usually the same for any line of products; you hear more about the complaints than the accolades. Happy people don't feel the need to vent. I am a member of a website all about the Mercury Verado 4 stroke marine motors and it is primarily complaints, etc. although it is a terrific engine. One would erroneously think it is a dud. It's just the nature of the human beast. Most Kahr problems reported here have eventually been resolved. They are probably no better or worse than others.

[twowheels]

I have 3, know how to prep, operate and tune firearms, and none of them has been without problems.

But, I'm going to stop complaining and find some time to go shoot.

[happypuppy]

Many small pistols will error on occasion. I have had third and fourth generation glocks stove pipe f2f as well. My Smith and Wesson bodyguard was very problematic. I had the firing pin break in the first 500, the screw for the laser back out and lock the slide. There's a reason snubnose handguns are around. They are the most reliable IMO


"You are born. And you die. And if you are very lucky in between you get to ride motorcycles."

[HAP1978]

+1 happypuppy

[scotty_MK9]

believe everything u read. My PMJ9 has over 32K rounds through it and the fokker never shoots where I aqim it. Mind ya, it has never malfunctioned either nor broke qanything excpet one followers a few years bac, but I am not happy tha tit doesan't shoot where I aim it. I ha dthe same thing with my M &Y P 9 to and my Para carry 9, none of those fokkers were worth a sh!t either. Now my G19 which was recently stoelen would shoot um in te same hole, so I know it is not ol jocko. My eyes site is 20-1000. I can see two nats goin at it at 100 yards even, so it is the gun for sure. Kahr never answers my emails either about this accuracy issue. I hat eto trade it as I don't want the new guy getting such an inaccurate gun, so I am forced to keep it and carry it 24/7 in my front pocket. I now train at 5 yards and under to imporve my accuracy. obody on this forum has offered to helpo me either, so dn't base to much faith in getting any help from these fokkers. They are selfish to say the least:banplease: All guys like tin man want sot do is post nasty photos, and guys like Muggsy hammers every newbie who comes on here. Our colonel tries to control this wild ass forum but has little luck:banplease: One of our higher up mod guys has some fancy rifle tha the boughty that we cannot find if it was ever made to resell, so he has little time for this forum.

Houston, we have a problem!!! Just sayin:third:

That was quite a rant jocko. Im reallt not even sure what to say...

I liked the part about the nats you watched gettin it on though... hehe

[swilcher7]

275 rounds through my CM9. Only issues I had were a cracked follower and the mag floor plates would come off without depressing the nub on the bottom. Except for that, no issues with firing, feeding, ejecting, etc. DAMN!!! Now I want a PM9 and I am kicking myself for getting rid of my PM45!!!