Frog Lube in the striker channel = NO NO!

[DougGuy]

Some things you just gotta learn the hard way! I had put ONE single droplet of Frog Lube in the far back of the striker channel, carried this daily for 9-10mos, went to fire it today just to test for things just like this, and whaddya know, a big FTF because Frog Lube penetrated the primer, and killed it! Even cycled it back through and same thing happened a second time.

When they say do not put any lube in the striker channel, THEY MEAN JUST THAT!

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[happypuppy]

Don't know if it was frog lube..hornady has issues in the past with defective primer strikes


"You are born. And you die. And if you are very lucky in between you get to ride motorcycles."

[RRP]

The attached photo shows two, deep and distinct dimples. I would not characterize these as light strikes.

[SlowBurn]

Good lesson & demo. Thanks. Your other rounds, that hadn't been sitting in the chamber, fired ok?

[skiflydive]

The issue with lube in the striker channel is that it eventually gets gummy/dusty/dirty and impedes the motion of the striker itself. I don't believe the frog lube penetrated the primer. JMHO

[hardluk1]

Leaver the striker, channel and surrounding parts bone dry and clean. No lube there.

[garyb]

Likely a bad primer. There was a study done where some folks did an extensive test, soaked primers of loaded bullets for extended periods and they did not penetrate the primer. There were no primer failures caused by oil soaking through. In my opinion skiflydive is correct. You may have good strikes, but the primer was bad. If someone can find that study to post it, this will likely prove the point.

[garyb]

I have not located the article of the test that was done. I know there has been extensive testing done on this issue. I did find this from another forum.... If anyone finds anything else, please post. Thanks.


"Call me bored...... did a little test on whether or not oil would migrate into the primers and render the round useless.
So, I took Factory ammunition from 5 different manufacturers and placed them into trays of different oils... Kroil, FP-10, Corrosion X and Breakfree.

They "soaked" for 6 weeks, after which I took them to the range and fired them in my Sig 226.

No misfires, no squibs...nothing. Guess my paranoia about the minimal amount of oil that gets on my primers is really nothing to worry about."

[GreenMan2814]

For the firearm newbies...can you tell us what exactly is a "Striker Channel?"

[DougGuy]

Oil is very different than Frog Lube. FL is some space age thing that infiltrates the very pores in the metal, it's one of the ways it retains it's lubricity.

They make some pretty crazy claims about it, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find that compared to conventional oils which will not wick themselves into places that FL will go, that the FL works good enough to penetrate swaged primers and/or even a taper crimped bullet.

Other rounds from the same magazine fired without issue. This one was carried for 9-10mos in the chamber. I may just pull the bullet and see what the inside looks like.

The strikes look forceful enough to me to cause ignition, obviously every other round I have fired from it thought so too..

This is the round fired immediately after the FTF, although the striker dimple looks much deeper, you have to figure that pressure from firing had a lot to do with that too, as you can plainly see the striker was engaged with the primer when the gun started coming out of battery.

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Does Wolff make an extra power striker spring?

Striker channel = the machined groove on the inside of the slide where the striker (firing pin), firing pin block, firing pin retainer, and firing pin spring are housed:

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[wyntrout]

FYI newbies... there is a cutout on the side of the striker safety block where the extractor "train" passes. The "train" must be remove to allow the safety block to be removed and the safety block must be in place first to allow the extractor train... front and rear pin and spring to be inserted.

Wynn:)

[Bawanna]

If Kroil didn't penetrate a factory loaded primer I don't think anything can.

I've not used it but I know the Frog Lube is like a metal conditioner, that's why it's so easy to clean up a gun, the dirt and grime doesn't get into the metal. Jury is still out on weather it could get past a primer seal.

Had a firearms instructor here who was obsessive about not oiling any part of a magazine, the spring, inside the tube etc. Worried about oil penetrating a primer. Same guy would dump ammo in a 5 gallon bucket at range on rainy days and there would be inches of water in the bottom.

I think it takes a lot to get past a factory primed primer.

[DougGuy]

I cleaned it all with brake clean and blew it out dry with an air compressor, put it back together bone dry, think I will carry it like this until it's next function test and I expect it to fire correctly next time. :yo:

Will tell you a good one though.. This old Gunny at one of the ranges I used to go to carried a Commander cocked and locked day and night in his jeans, never a holster, never saw him without it. He traded me a 50s Colt Commander upper if I would checker the front strap of his commander which I took with me that day.

Upon unloading this gun, I discovered that I could barely rack the slide back, and pulling the trigger only moved the sear, the hammer didn't even fall, because the whole gun was slam FULL of pocket lint! It's a good thing he never needed to use it during that time because in the years it hadn't been fired, it also hadn't been cleaned.

Should have seen the look on his face when I brought it back and told him how it wouldn't have fired if he begged it to! :eek:

[Bawanna]

I had one of those too. A little Walther a Detective carried in an ankle holster. Never shot and never cleaned. He had a malfunction of course and brought it to me. I got enough lint out of that gun to make a pair of leiderhose.

You can checker metal huh?

[muggsy]

I don't know if Frog Lube could have caused the problem, but when the manufacturer of a gun specifically tells me in the owners manual not to lube the striker channel I assume that the manufacturer knows more about their product than I do. Call me gullible. Just sayin'.

[bsmith712]

Bad primer is all.

[getsome]

See there!!!...And Ya'll laughed at me when I did that post about "Pocket Lint" a few years ago....:rolleyes:....I also found out that if you mix Rem oil and CLP you get glue that will completely lock up a revolver...The two seperate are fine but mixed up, not so good....


Don't know much about Frog Lube but Z-Max made the same claim about being able to soak into the metel of a car engine and even ole Carrol Shelby himself was hawking the stuff before he died....If you want the truth about anything having to do with oil, grease, oil additives, fuel additives, oil filters, air filters or ANYTHING to do with lubrication in general go to www.bobistheoilguy.com for the real story....They shot down the Z-Max as well as the Lucas Oil Stabilizer and STP claims but if you want to waste money on that kind of stuff go right ahead....One thing that has always worked is ADVERTISING!!!

[jocko]

whats liederhose? Just sayi

[jocko]

getsome, ur right, the power of advertisng is mind boggling. But buy my ejockulation bait and I assure u it will catch fish where there is no water even. Trust ol jocko.

[ripley16]

... but when the manufacturer of a gun specifically tells me in the owners manual not to lube the striker channel I assume that the manufacturer knows more about their product than I do. Call me gullible. Just sayin'.

Is that mentioned in the Kahr manual?


Bad primer is all.

My opinion as well.

[happypuppy]

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Don't know much about Frog Lube but Z-Max made the same claim about being able to soak into the metel of a car engine and even ole Carrol Shelby himself was hawking the stuff before he died....If you want the truth about anything having to do with oil, grease, oil additives, fuel additives, oil filters, air filters or ANYTHING to do with lubrication in general go to www.bobistheoilguy.com for the real story....

It it's a good site for all things with lubrication. I switched my motorcycles to rotella based on the forum and it's been working great. I to remember when STP was claimed to be magical and while ok it was mostly snake oil. I found it worked as a great case lubricant when reloading however




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