diagram comparison

[marcinstl]

I can get more holes in the center of a target with a Glock 17 than I can with a CW9, this also holds true for a 1911 than a CW9. the reason is the CW9 is a striker fired pistol that mimics a DA revolver, where as the other two are SA. (Glock is good, a tuned up 1911 is best). anyway, if your interested in engineering do google searches for the exploded view parts diagrams for a 1911, a Glock, an S&W M&P(hysterical). then go to the Kahr page and find your gun and look at the parts diagrams for that. so simple.

[b4uqzme]

Agreed! :) There are many factors that comprise any given pistol: size, weight, price, accuracy, etc. etc. ...and many are at direct odds against each other. So you choose the firearm that compromises the least for your intended purpose. Kahrs are carry pistols. So simple.

[downtownv]

You are talking apples and eggplants in your comparison however, you can practice to be proficient on all 3 models.

[muggsy]

The right tool for the job, I always say. Anyone of those tools will get the self defense job done. I'm not looking for bullseye accuracy from a defensive pistol, but I would like to keep all of my shots center mass at 25 feet. Close enough is close enough.

[berettabone]

I love okra.

[marcinstl]

I had been out on the rider, mowing and thinking about pistol internals, so then I came over here to do some thinking out loud, thanks for your patience.
pull(press) the trigger and it goes bang, a wonderful thing. it's just when you look inside you might wonder or get a laugh. It seems like the engineering and legal dept.'s at S&W had to struggle to make a striker fired pistol with a "glocky" trigger, sure is a lot of pins and springs and things in there. Mr. Moon, on the other hand, just went his own way and must be a beliver in, "keep it simple".
the light weight, small size and long trigger pull of the CW9 presents some problems and requires more training(for me) than a big, heavy, SA, CZ75 or a Jericho 941. so, I keep training with the CW9 and carry it. engineering is all about compromises.
opinion poll--- do you A) try to "stage" the Kahr DA trigger or B) just pull/press through it in one motion?

[Tinman507]

B for me. A determined slow consistent pull to the rear.

[kwh]

B for me also.

[berettabone]

I stage it, since there is so much free play before actually firing. I am teaching my wife to do the same thing. It was kind of funny watching her shoot. We had just finished shooting my P220, and when we switched over to the Kahr, she was practically throwing the gun forward, anticipating the shot. I then had her stage it, and it went much better.

[mser]

It's B for me to make it three.

[b4uqzme]

B here too

[ripley16]

When I practice with a Kahr I press the trigger quite deliberately, (B), and work on quick follow-up shoots. The only real gripe I have with Kahr's trigger is that it isn't as fast as I'd like.

Those rare times when I slowly aim and squeeze, I'm reminded that Kahrs are not target pistols. Close in, concealed carry, defense use only... and good at it.

[marcinstl]

funny how this works, a few minutes after posting the question about staging vs constant pull, I came across this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKdXmcdB5WE
this guy is on to something I think. I have 2 poly Kahrs, had almost forgotten how good the metal Kahrs look.

[hardluk1]

I'm a A kind of guy with any DA trigger.


Even if your cw9 had a 2lb SA trigger it would only be as accurate as a short sight radius can be . It is what it is a great close range defense pistol. Once you master what style trigger pull works best for you get a a tp or ct kahr and watch those groups shrink. May still never be 1911 size but might surprise you too.

[muggsy]

I'm into b. I like surprises. If I stage I have a tendency to yank the trigger when the sights align. Not good. Anticipation is making me wait. (hmmm, that might make a good lyric for a song.) :)

[marcinstl]

muggsy,
that's a good looking inventory ya got there. the CM9 is for general carry and the P380 is for summer? worst case scenario-- the badguy is terrorizing the beach and ya pull the P380 out of the Speedo waistband, first shot is from hip level, 2nd shot is straight arm, 3rd shot is 2 handed and using the sights? nice, straight through trigger press on all 3 shots? see, if was me, the first 2 shots would be rushed and jerked, probably low and left. I know, more dry fire practice and more range time.
(does it scare you to know there's people who carry and don't practice?)

[muggsy]

I had been out on the rider, mowing and thinking about pistol internals, so then I came over here to do some thinking out loud, thanks for your patience.
pull(press) the trigger and it goes bang, a wonderful thing. it's just when you look inside you might wonder or get a laugh. It seems like the engineering and legal dept.'s at S&W had to struggle to make a striker fired pistol with a "glocky" trigger, sure is a lot of pins and springs and things in there. Mr. Moon, on the other hand, just went his own way and must be a beliver in, "keep it simple".
the light weight, small size and long trigger pull of the CW9 presents some problems and requires more training(for me) than a big, heavy, SA, CZ75 or a Jericho 941. so, I keep training with the CW9 and carry it. engineering is all about compromises.
opinion poll--- do you A) try to "stage" the Kahr DA trigger or B) just pull/press through it in one motion?

The man who designed the locked breech semiautomatic pistol did it in his head and hand carved the first prototype out of wood. John M. Browning was one amazing man.

[DubDubU]

B works as good as a for me, but i can put more holes in the center with my cw9 than i can with my cm9. For me, sight radius is the key to consistency.

[marcinstl]

hmmmm, is this the right place to brag on a new gun? I stopped at a gun shop I'd never been to before, wasn't looking for anything, just stopped to browse. well, there it was collecting dust in the bottom of the case, I point down at it and inquire, "what's that, it's uglier than a Hi-Point?" "Oh, that's an old Ruger". "Ruger huh, looks Eastern European or something". "Yep, that's before plastic, it's all metal". so after a good soak in Ballistol, I got an almost never fired Ruger P89 for probably what the original buyer paid for it back in the 90's. (I wasn't into guns in the 80's and 90's and missed a lot of all metal guns, have to try to make up for that.) (got a good S&W CS9 ya want to get rid of, let me know). anyway, the P89 is DA/SA with a decocker. for me this is a sweetheart for the range. CW9 remains #1 carry gun.

[AIRret]

Mricinstl, it definitely saddens me that there are some who carry and don't shoot more than once a year!!!

I once met a man who carried/carries a gun which he has never shot!!!
He said ammo was tooooooo expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TheTman]

I am for B too. The Kahr trigger is so smooth I was never able to stage it more than about half the time anyway, unlike my S&W revolvers which make a little click that you can feel, right before the hammer falls. I can stage them about 95% of the time. With an occasional surprise bang.


And that video was a pretty good explanation of why your shots are hitting on one side of the bullseye or the other. I believe that is a lot of people's problem and that he was also right that we have the tendency to blame the gun and not our shooting technique.

[marcinstl]

the thing that scared me the most about getting a CCW permit was going to the joke of a class required by Mo. and meeting the group of people taking that class. don't know if I should worry more about bad guys or good guys(w/guns)?
if you should find yourself in the position of having a gun on you, would you rather the gun holder had: A) a revolver or a Kahr, B) a Glock or XD, C) 1911, D) any pink gun? would you want them to have the finger on or off of the trigger? ok, go over to youtube and do a search for "gun fail" and enjoy the videos.

[muggsy]

I love okra.

It takes a special kinda man to love okra. :)

[muggsy]

In a gun fight you don't have time to stage a trigger. Point and pull. How accurate do you have to be at less than seven yards?