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downtownv
05-02-2014, 05:38 AM
Missouri Legislature Nears Approval Of Nullification Bill To Limit Federal Gun Control

May 2, 2014 by Ben Bullard
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Missouri Legislature Nears Approval Of Nullification Bill To Limit Federal Gun Control
THINKSTOCK

The Missouri State Legislature is on the verge of forwarding a bill to Democratic Governor Jay Nixon that, if signed into law, will nullify virtually all Federal gun laws while asserting the State’s rejection of “unlimited submission” to Federal powers not enumerated in the Constitution.
On Wednesday, the Missouri State Senate approved a bill that originated in the State House of Representatives – HB 1439 – and returned the measure, with minor markups, to the House for final approval. The House had originally passed the bill on an overwhelming 110-36 vote. The Senate followed suit, approving the measure by a vote of 23-8.
According to the Tenth Amendment Center blog, both chambers tagged the measure as an “emergency” bill, which fast-tracks its enactment sooner than the standard 90 days required for news laws to take effect after a legislative session has adjourned for the year.
As the Tenth Amendment Center notes, embedding in the measure’s language is a strong message to the Federal government about the Missouri Legislature’s position on State sovereignty vis-à-vis the Federal government:
With language inspired by Thomas Jefferson, HB1439 declares that the state rejects the idea of “unlimited submission” to federal power. It also declares that “whenever the federal government assumes powers that the people did not grant it in the Constitution, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”
… The state capitol city’s namesake [that’s Jefferson City] would have been proud, said Tenth Amendment Center communications director Mike Maharrey. “This is exactly what Thomas Jefferson himself said that states had a duty to do,” he said. “States aren’t supposed to stand by and do nothing while the federal government violates the Constitution. And they’re not supposed to be willing partners in the act either.”
What does HB 1439 do? It pretty much nullifies anything the Federal government attempts to do to guns that the 2nd Amendment hasn’t already covered: “All federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, court orders, rules, and regulations, whether past, present, or future, which infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
Here’s the relevant portion of the measure the Senate approved this week:
(8) The people of Missouri have vested the general assembly with the authority to regulate the manufacture, possession, exchange, and use of firearms within the borders of this state, subject only to the limits imposed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and the Missouri Constitution; and
(9) The general assembly of the state of Missouri strongly promotes responsible gun ownership, including parental supervision of minors in the proper use, storage, and ownership of all firearms, the prompt reporting of stolen firearms, and the proper enforcement of all state gun laws. The general assembly of the state of Missouri hereby condemns any unlawful transfer of firearms and the use of any firearm in any criminal or unlawful activity.
1.410. The following federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, court orders, rules, and regulations shall be considered infringements on the people’s right to keep and bear arms, as guaranteed by the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and article I, section 23 of the Constitution of Missouri, within the borders of this state, including, but not limited to:
(1) Any tax, levy, fee, or stamp imposed on firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition not common to all other goods and services which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;
(2) Any registering or tracking of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;
(3) Any registering or tracking of the owners of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition which might reasonably be expected to create a chilling effect on the purchase or ownership of those items by law-abiding citizens;
(4) Any act forbidding the possession, ownership, or use or transfer of a firearm, firearm accessory, or ammunition by law-abiding citizens; and
(5) Any act ordering the confiscation of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition from law-abiding citizens.
1.420. All federal acts, laws, executive orders, administrative orders, court orders, rules, and regulations, whether past, present, or future, which infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and Article I, Section 23 of the Missouri Constitution shall be invalid in this state, shall not be recognized by this state, shall be specifically rejected by this state, and shall be considered null and void and of no effect in this state.

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 09:12 AM
It is not the be all end all we would hope for. For instance if the FEDS want they will just withhold all FED money from going back to MO. Without the money from Uncle Sugar in DC no state can make it.


For instance sates have tried to nullify the NFA. So far it has NEVER been successful. I applaud MO for doing something but not much more than nothing.

b4uqzme
05-02-2014, 09:45 AM
^^^^ I disagree LZ. I think this is ground-breaking and admirable and all states should follow suit. The FEDs will not impose sanctions unless/until a state actually overturns/ignores a federal mandate. And in that circumstance, I think most of us would rather do without the "sugar" vs. having our guns confiscated (for example).

codegeek
05-02-2014, 10:24 AM
It is not the be all end all we would hope for. For instance if the FEDS want they will just withhold all FED money from going back to MO. Without the money from Uncle Sugar in DC no state can make it.


For instance sates have tried to nullify the NFA. So far it has NEVER been successful. I applaud MO for doing something but not much more than nothing.

Don't mean to pick on you, but I don't like being called a slave to Federal money. How about we start withholding all our Federal taxes? What then?

'Murica! :amflag:

AIRret
05-02-2014, 11:08 AM
Don't mean to pick on you, but I don't like being called a slave to Federal money. How about we start withholding all our Federal taxes? What then?

'Murica! :amflag:

Withholding "ALL" Federal Taxes would be pretty tough. But I DEFINITELY agree
that most of the tax money should be withheld….then the States would be free
and therefore the people would have more freedom and less government!!

Heck, State government is more efficient than Federal government. The larger
the bureaucracy the less efficient and the more waste!

Bawanna
05-02-2014, 11:22 AM
I know Wyoming has told the Feds to keep it a few times. When they refused to adhere and post the federally mandated 55 mph speed limit, the feds threatened to withhold highway federal funds.
Wyoming told them to keep it.

I think things have changed again but for awhile there was only a suggested maximum speed limit.

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 11:27 AM
Don't mean to pick on you, but I don't like being called a slave to Federal money. How about we start withholding all our Federal taxes? What then?

'Murica! :amflag:


NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. You can dream and hallucinate but that is all.

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 11:35 AM
The FEDs will not impose sanctions unless/until a state actually overturns/ignores a federal mandate.


Keep dreaming. Obviously you are not aware of due to being too young or have forgotten the 55 mph that was mandated decades ago. Mandated state behavior has been done many times in the past and can be done in the future it is supremely silly to think it can't or won't happen.


I agree with what they did but as a thinking man I understand it is more symbolic that substance. Measured and thoughtful changes over time is what is needed. This instantaneous knee jerk action is precisely why the mainstream crowd who is neither pro nor anti looks at many in our fold as inflammatory and reactionary. We do almost as much harm to our cause as the antis do.


That is my opinion others may disagree but reality is what it is.

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 11:36 AM
Heck, State government is more efficient than Federal government. The larger
the bureaucracy the less efficient and the more waste!


Not always true. I can show a small town near where I live that makes the FEDS look positively proficient.

b4uqzme
05-02-2014, 12:26 PM
Keep dreaming. Obviously you are not aware of due to being too young or have forgotten the 55 mph that was mandated decades ago. Mandated state behavior has been done many times in the past and can be done in the future it is supremely silly to think it can't or won't happen.





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Actually I do remember that very example well but can only speak from the perspective of my own state. The FEDs scared us into complying for awhile but we eventually got tired of it and raised the speed limit back above where it was in the beginning. And the FEDs withheld nothing.

I don't think this one is knee-jerk (more pro-active IMO) but I do agree that it is mostly symbolic...sending a message... and I hope it's taken as a good message.

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 01:09 PM
Actually I do remember that very example well but can only speak from the perspective of my own state. The FEDs scared us into complying for awhile but we eventually got tired of it and raised the speed limit back above where it was in the beginning. And the FEDs withheld nothing.

I don't think this one is knee-jerk (more pro-active IMO) but I do agree that it is mostly symbolic...sending a message... and I hope it's taken as a good message.


But initially the state did comply. And will again. Pro-active symbolism is by definition knee jerk as it serves no useful purpose in moving forward.

berettabone
05-02-2014, 02:00 PM
Let's face it.................if you pay attention to our gov't RECENTLY..........apparently, they can do whatever the H that they please. The outrage that the American public should be feeling right now should be overpowering, but a segment of our society just doesn't get it. I agree, these things are merely symbolic, and really have no power when it comes right down to it. A bit more feel good, without any substance. Sounds like a play out of the lib playbook to me.

b4uqzme
05-02-2014, 03:13 PM
^^^ Close. They do have power if the state chooses to or needs to utilize them. The symbolism comes from the hope that it doesn't come down to that. And that segment of America that doesn't get it is a pretty big one at that... isn't it? Despite my loathing for the current administration, most of the blame goes to those who voted them in. THAT's what we need to fix. THAT's who needs to get the message....

Longitude Zero
05-02-2014, 03:40 PM
Despite my loathing for the current administration, most of the blame goes to those who voted them in. THAT's what we need to fix. THAT's who needs to get the message....


Agreed the low information or no information voters. I sometimes wonder if it would not be better if you had to earn the right to vote and to run for elective office. Something like military, public service to "earn" the right to vote. Oh and only native born citizens can vote EVER. Naturalized citizens SHOULD NOT be allowed to vote My 2 cents.

berettabone
05-02-2014, 05:33 PM
When you pick them up on a bus, give them free pizza and cigarettes, then tell them go vote, this is what you get. In my area, about 100,000 people with an IQ of 7. The same one's that wasted millions of $$$$$$ on a governor recall, and another 2 million in damages to the capital.:wof:

b4uqzme
05-02-2014, 05:43 PM
In my area, about 100,000 people with an IQ of 7. .:wof:

That's TOTAL, right?

Armybrat
05-03-2014, 10:28 AM
Face it guys, there's almost as many takers as there are producers in this country now - and it's going to get worse.

100percent
05-03-2014, 12:07 PM
This is what we love about Mo.

Longitude Zero
05-03-2014, 01:22 PM
Face it guys, there's almost as many takers as there are producers in this country now - and it's going to get worse.


And if the producers in society do not step up and say enough is enough one day the financial street wars will start.

AIRret
05-03-2014, 02:44 PM
And if the producers in society do not step up and say enough is enough one day the financial street wars will start.

Oh, you are so right…….then things will get interesting.


Which town was/is less efficient than the feds?……….that's a hard thing to achieve…just saying!!

Longitude Zero
05-03-2014, 02:49 PM
Oh, you are so right…….then things will get interesting.


Which town was/is less efficient than the feds?……….that's a hard thing to achieve…just saying!!


It is a small town NW of OKC called Piedmont. They squandered an entire years budget on a birthday festival and had to fire the entire Fire Department to make up the cost. This is only one example of many going back decades. The same family has held the Mayors office for years and are patently corrupt from end to end.

AIRret
05-03-2014, 02:54 PM
It is a small town NW of OKC called Piedmont. They squandered an entire years budget on a birthday festival and had to fire the entire Fire Department to make up the cost. This is only one example of many going back decades. The same family has held the Mayors office for years and are patently corrupt from end to end.

My Lord!!!!!!!! Sounds like a mini Chicago or Detroit (Kwame Kilpatrick)!

Longitude Zero
05-03-2014, 03:15 PM
My Lord!!!!!!!! Sounds like a mini Chicago or Detroit (Kwame Kilpatrick)!


Yuppa.

garyb
05-04-2014, 11:54 AM
It will be a cold day in...before NY does anything logical with its' gun laws. I applaud any/every pro gun State that fights back against the ridiculous laws we have.

TheTman
05-04-2014, 06:35 PM
Kansas passed the same type of law a year or two ago. The Governor received a letter from AG Holder, telling him our state was in violation of this or that, and the Governor replied that is was now State Law, and Holder could ***** all he wanted about it, but nothing was changing.


There are still a lot of smaller towns, with a Boss Hogg, type family that has run things for generations. It seems to occur mainly in the southern states, but can happen anywhere that several family members hold all the key offices, and once in, they are very hard to remove. They manipulate votes and do what it takes to stay in charge, and use the town money as their own personal funds.
There was that movie about the people in one small town that fought over the ballot box, trying to oust one of these families, it was posted here. The Battle of Athens, TN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw

Longitude Zero
05-04-2014, 07:30 PM
There are still a lot of smaller towns, with a Boss Hogg, type family that has run things for generations. It seems to occur mainly in the southern states, but can happen anywhere that several family members hold all the key offices, and once in, they are very hard to remove. They manipulate votes and do what it takes to stay in charge, and use the town money as their own personal funds.


It really is pretty widespread and almost endemic in small towns. Recall the movie, "A Small town in Texas"? You can replace Texas with every other state and only the accent would change but not attitudes.

downtownv
05-04-2014, 07:53 PM
There was that movie about the people in one small town that fought over the ballot box, trying to oust one of these families, it was posted here. The Battle of Athens, TN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9tUQxsrQGw

Saw this before and it was not only true but a great rise of the people to do what they did!