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ohio lock
05-03-2014, 07:42 PM
As vacation season is almost here, I have a question for all the good folks out there, but especially our brothers and sisters in Maryland. My family vacations at Ocean City, Md. and have been for over 15 years. Love the beach and the boardwalk.
My question is about the CCW laws in the state of Maryland. I have an Ohio permit and a Pennsylvania permit, which gives me about 42 of the 50 states to legally carry in the U.S. Maryland, however, is not on the list. I have heard it is NOT a CC friendly state. My question is - can I bring my gun with me and keep it in the place we rent for the week? Is this legal, since it would be my "home" while in the state? I understand I cannot legally carry while in Maryland. While I am at it, I drive from Ohio through Pa. and Virginia into Maryland. I can carry in Oh, Pa and Va, but once I hit the Md state line I must (legally) disarm, put my Kahr PM45 (unloaded) into its box and the ammo (Speer GD's) into their box, until I reach our condo/hotel. Is this right?
I am a law abiding citizen and want to do the right thing. I also do not want to run afowl of the law in Maryland. Anybody have any answers I would appreciate it much. Thanks!:amflag:
RevRay
05-03-2014, 08:52 PM
I'm not a lawyer, but I think you're sunk.
4-203
(a) (1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:
(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;
(ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;
(iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or
(iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.
(2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.
(b) This section does not prohibit:
(1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person's official equipment, and is:
(i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;
(ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;
(iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;
(iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;
(v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or
(vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff's deputy;
(2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;
(3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector's gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;
(7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:
(i) in the course of employment;
(ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and
(iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment;
(8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle; or
(9) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is carrying a court order requiring the surrender of the handgun, if:
(i) the handgun is unloaded;
(ii) the person has notified the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station that the handgun is being transported in accordance with the court order; and
(iii) the person transports the handgun directly to the law enforcement unit, barracks, or station.
(c) (1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to the penalties provided in this subsection.
(2) If the person has not previously been convicted under this section, 4-204 of this subtitle, or 4-101 or 4-102 of this title:
(i) except as provided in item (ii) of this paragraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 30 days and not exceeding 3 years or a fine of not less than $250 and not exceeding $2,500 or both; or
(ii) if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person shall be sentenced to imprisonment for not less than 90 days.
(3) (i) If the person has previously been convicted once under this section, 4-204 of this subtitle, or 4-101 or 4-102 of this title:
1. except as provided in item 2 of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 1 year and not exceeding 10 years; or
2. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years.
(ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.
(4) (i) If the person has previously been convicted more than once under this section, 4-204 of this subtitle, or 4-101 or 4-102 of this title, or of any combination of these crimes: 1. except as provided in item (2) of this subparagraph, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 3 years and not exceeding 10 years; or
2. A. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iii) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years; or
B. if the person violates subsection (a)(1)(iv) of this section, the person is subject to imprisonment for not less than 5 years and not exceeding 10 years.
(ii) The court may not impose less than the applicable minimum sentence provided under subparagraph (i) of this paragraph.
As vacation season is almost here, I have a question for all the good folks out there, but especially our brothers and sisters in Maryland. My family vacations at Ocean City, Md. and have been for over 15 years. Love the beach and the boardwalk.
My question is about the CCW laws in the state of Maryland. I have an Ohio permit and a Pennsylvania permit, which gives me about 42 of the 50 states to legally carry in the U.S. Maryland, however, is not on the list. I have heard it is NOT a CC friendly state. My question is - can I bring my gun with me and keep it in the place we rent for the week? Is this legal, since it would be my "home" while in the state? I understand I cannot legally carry while in Maryland. While I am at it, I drive from Ohio through Pa. and Virginia into Maryland. I can carry in Oh, Pa and Va, but once I hit the Md state line I must (legally) disarm, put my Kahr PM45 (unloaded) into its box and the ammo (Speer GD's) into their box, until I reach our condo/hotel. Is this right?
I am a law abiding citizen and want to do the right thing. I also do not want to run afowl of the law in Maryland. Anybody have any answers I would appreciate it much. Thanks!:amflag:
I very seriously doubt MD would buy the argument of your vacation destination as a temporary residence/"home". It is not a gun friendly state by any definition and does not honor any out of state permits, as you already know. From what I know of MD, the best you can hope for is unloaded and locked in a car trunk or whatever required to remain at least quasi-legal. As with all states, MD must defer to federal law wrt passing through the state transport of firearms. But if MD is a destination then state possession law applies. Suggest you start with handgunlaw.us for research.
That said, I infrequently pass through a bits of Maryland with a loaded handgun driver accessible in my vehicle. I'm not much up for stopping at the border and rearranging the arsenal for 30 miles to accommodate law.
Bawanna
05-03-2014, 09:26 PM
I'd offer my suggestion but I'm considered by many to be a very bad influence on folks, especially those that want to act law abiding, and even more so that want to abide by stupid laws.....................
Jollyrogers
05-03-2014, 09:30 PM
I would vacation somewhere else. I grew up in MD... and only pass through or visit if I have to for work or to visit family. I used to hunt a lot in MD as a kid, and we used to go target shooting. To/from ammo and guns had to be separate... MD and DC are both not gun friendly. When I vacation, I go south or west and stay in states that have reciprocity with Va if I can.
I'd offer my suggestion but I'm considered by many to be a very bad influence on folks, especially those that want to act law abiding, and even more so that want to abide by stupid laws.....................
Bad influence? You? Tell me it ain't so, JimmyBob......:confused:
Planedude
05-03-2014, 10:51 PM
Just back this week from a visit to the great (Big) state of Commiefornia. I tried to figure a way to carry something, but in the end stayed legal by doing the whole trip buck naked...
Wait, erase that image, I did the week long visit weaponless but clothed. I had thought about picking up an inexpensive blade once we got out of the airport, then just did not. We did fine, had fun and enjoyed the season of the drought, but I just felt weird with nothing (save my cane) for personal defense.
Good luck on the trip and realize this, in some states you just have to join the "sheeple" heard. I did not want to have law enforcement type troubles that far from home in a state run by MORONS...
CarlCyrus
05-04-2014, 07:47 AM
I live in this socialist nanny-state. Have purchased land in another state and when I retire soon will take my taxable wealth with me.
When friends and family want to visit DC, I tell them to stay in VA, spend their money in VA, and avoid MD.
My guidance to all of you is the same. Vacation elsewhere. Vacation in gun-friendly states.
BTW, most of the government retirees I know have retired in DE, PA, and NC. A huge percentage of them don't retire here in MD because of taxes and government over-burden.
Carl
Bill K
05-04-2014, 07:48 AM
It sucks doesn't it. And we know the bad guy wouldn't think twice about bringing his gun into Maryland.
Thankfully most of my vacationing is done in PA where I'm legal. Still hate driving and stopping in NY between CT and PA without my firearm on my person but hey I'm a good guy and will follow the law even if costs me my life. There should be constitutional carry allowed in every State.
Anybody have any answers I would appreciate it much.
www.handgunlaw.us (http://www.handgunlaw.us) is a great resource. Here's a snippet I copied from their Maryland page:
Notice: Maryland has a unit called "Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center". They have license plate cameras around the state that read license plates of vehicles. Some are connected to Criminal Background Check programs and Permit/License Holder lists from the different states that supply them with that information. Do use caution when driving through Maryland. They can know if you have a firearms permit/license without even stopping you.
ohio lock
05-04-2014, 01:20 PM
www.handgunlaw.us (http://www.handgunlaw.us) is a great resource. Here's a snippet I copied from their Maryland page:
Wow looks like big brother is getting too big for his britches. Another post said the truth, you can be sure the criminals are following the law and not bringing their guns into Maryland. lol
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