Going on vacation with a Kahr

[hsart]

I'm flying to Colorado and then taking a road trip through the state shortly. Rather than take on of my Kahrs in my luggage, I would rather Fedex it to a hotel. Is this advisable? I guess I could send 2 packages... the lower and upper separately. Can I take one half of it with me in checked luggage instead? Any suggestions appreciated.

[Bawanna]

I'm flying to Colorado and then taking a road trip through the state shortly. Rather than take on of my Kahrs in my luggage, I would rather Fedex it to a hotel. Is this advisable? I guess I could send 2 packages... the lower and upper separately. Can I take one half of it with me in checked luggage instead? Any suggestions appreciated.

Check with the airline. Some you can take the whole thing with you as long as you don't have any ammo in the same bag and you claim it at check in. I'd lock it in a small box or safe inside the bag too. I'm sure it's asking for a nightmare but I know it can be done. Your 2 piece plan shipping to a hotel might work but seems a bit risky. Strangely the upper is ok but the lower is considered a firearm by itself because of the trigger. Never heard of any problems. Send it overnight to be sure. All legal.
I know flying to alaska on alaska airline they don't count rifle cases or fishing pole cases as a separate bag item. Pretty cool.
I don't fly no more, to much hassle.

[hsart]

Check with the airline. Some you can take the whole thing with you as long as you don't have any ammo in the same bag and you claim it at check in. I'd lock it in a small box or safe inside the bag too. I'm sure it's asking for a nightmare but I know it can be done. Your 2 piece plan shipping to a hotel might work but seems a bit risky. Strangely the upper is ok but the lower is considered a firearm by itself because of the trigger. Never heard of any problems. Send it overnight to be sure. All legal.
I know flying to alaska on alaska airline they don't count rifle cases or fishing pole cases as a separate bag item. Pretty cool.
I don't fly no more, to much hassle.
Thanks... I have flown with my handguns a few times and it is a small hassle, but this time I'd rather be totally discreet at the ticket counter.

[wyntrout]

Check with the relevant airlines, but the Feds require a firearm to be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided locked case. This can be a large hard-sided gun case or suitcase, or easier, a small locked, hard-sided case within a larger piece of baggage. You can carry up to 11 pounds of ammo secured in the factory boxes. If you leave ammo in magazines, the magazines must be enclosed in a case or carrier -- no ammo visible. There's no requirement for separate cases for ammo and weapons.
I wouldn't think that you can ship yourself firearms. There must be an FFL holder sending or receiving, except that a private citizen may send a firearm to the manufacturer or a business for repair or modification, and likewise, you can only receive a weapon returning from such service.
I haven't done this, yet, but there are people in the forum who have. Be prepared to open and show that the firearm is unloaded, then re-lock the case. There is/are forms to fill out and a copy is placed in the luggage. There is a federal prohibition against putting a tag on the outside of the luggage saying there's a weapon inside, but you may run into uninformed people or misinformed ones who want to do something like that. Allow extra time and you may be called to open the case when it's x-rayed.

It's all here:

TSA: Traveling with Special Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm)

I would print this out and take it with me because you may run into some person at check in that is ignorant of the laws, rules, or regulations... not uncommon.

Firearms(United Airlines)
Federal regulations require that firearms in checked baggage or in their own shipping cases be unloaded and declared. Firearms are not allowed in carry-on bags. Firearms in checked baggage must be packed in a locked hard-sided bag or gun case. TSA locks are not approved for securing firearms. A maximum of 11 lbs. of small arms ammunition is allowed in checked luggage in the original manufacturer's box or securely packed in a fiber, wood or metal box to prevent movement of cartridges.


I plan to use a small gun safe cabled or chained to the spine of the wheeled suitcase.
You can get this at Cabela's or Sportsmans Guide or other places for $30 to $40 and this can be gotten with combination or key lock... and cable.
On sale here!
http://www.cabelas.com/p-0045006228564a.shtml

Here is my post with pictures:

http://kahrtalk.com/holsters-gear/2143-gun-safe-travel.html#post23050

Wynn:D

[jlottmc]

Check with the relevant airlines, but the Feds require a firearm to be unloaded and locked in a hard-sided locked case. This can be a large hard-sided gun case or suitcase, or easier, a small locked, hard-sided case within a larger piece of baggage. You can carry up to 11 pounds of ammo secured in the factory boxes. If you leave ammo in magazines, the magazines must be enclosed in a case or carrier -- no ammo visible. There's no requirement for separate cases for ammo and weapons.
I wouldn't think that you can ship yourself firearms. There must be an FFL holder sending or receiving, except that a private citizen may send a firearm to the manufacturer or a business for repair or modification, and likewise, you can only receive a weapon returning from such service.
I haven't done this, yet, but there are people in the forum who have. Be prepared to open and show that the firearm is unloaded, then re-lock the case. There is/are forms to fill out and a copy is placed in the luggage. There is a federal prohibition against putting a tag on the outside of the luggage saying there's a weapon inside, but you may run into uninformed people or misinformed ones who want to do something like that. Allow extra time and you may be called to open the case when it's x-rayed.

It's all here:

TSA: Traveling with Special Items (http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm)

I would print this out and take it with me because you may run into some person at check in that is ignorant of the laws, rules, or regulations... not uncommon.

Firearms(United Airlines)
Federal regulations require that firearms in checked baggage or in their own shipping cases be unloaded and declared. Firearms are not allowed in carry-on bags. Firearms in checked baggage must be packed in a locked hard-sided bag or gun case. TSA locks are not approved for securing firearms. A maximum of 11 lbs. of small arms ammunition is allowed in checked luggage in the original manufacturer's box or securely packed in a fiber, wood or metal box to prevent movement of cartridges.


I plan to use a small gun safe cabled or chained to the spine of the wheeled suitcase.
You can get this at Cabela's or Sportsmans Guide or other places for $30 to $40 and this can be gotten with combination or key lock... and cable.
On sale here!
Secure-It Handgun Storage Safe : Cabela's (http://www.cabelas.com/p-0045006228564a.shtml)

Here is my post with pictures:

http://kahrtalk.com/holsters-gear/2143-gun-safe-travel.html#post23050

Wynn:D


Strangely, these regulations haven't changed after 9/11. As he said be prepared to show that it is unloaded at every turn. I got called to the tarmac loading/screening area last time I flew, pulled off the plane so that I could show them mine were unloaded. Also, I would check with your airline as their regulations follow federal law, but they also have their own policies as well. Ammunition may not be in the same container as the weapon, but if the weapon's case is in a suitcase, then the ammo can be in that suitcase. Ammo must either be in enclosed magazines, original container, or any box designed to protect the primers. I wouldn't try to ship it to yourself not just for the legality, but as some one who has worked a couple of hotels, packages couldn't be in the worst hands. It may take them a couple of days to find one, and it's better to avoid letting them handle it at all if possible. Yes, I have stories, and horror stories from my work there.