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b4uqzme
05-23-2014, 08:47 PM
Apologies to our members. My first polymer pistol is not a Kahr. I was looking for something in 40sw to run IDPA. I would shoot my K40 but it would be at a capacity disadvantage. IDPA lets you load 10 + 1. I sold my P01 SDP 9mm and have missed it since day 1. Enough back story.

CZ P07 40sw range review:


This gun does not feel polymer. It has visual styling cues that give it away but it is solid. The tactile feel is more like metal. Fit and finish are very good. You have to look very close to tell the difference in finish between the plastic frame and the metal slide. Stippling and checkering are aggressive but do not hurt my white-collar hands.
The P07 is about 3/4 inch longer than my K40 and nearly the same height. The slide is wider but the thickest point is nearly identical to the thickness of the K40's wood grips. I wish it had a right-hand-only de-cocker lever. That would shave a bit off the width.
The trigger is what got me to buy a polymer CZ P07 instead of a metal P06. The P07 has CZ's improved Omega trigger system which is advertised as simpler, smoother, and more reliable. It is indeed smooth and I am stoked. It's not light. Online reviews have the DA pull between 7 and 10 lbs. It feels closer to 10. I need to get a gauge. SA pull is reviewed between 3.5 and 5 lbs. It feels like 3.5. I am happy with the weight as I do intend to carry this in the de-cocked mode and a heavier trigger is a safety. Follow up shots in SA are almost too easy.
The gun came to me clean but very dry. I field stripped and lubed it and everything started working much better. Trigger felt immediately lighter and the slide racks smooth. After much hand racking and dry firing I can already feel it improving even more. After shooting, even better.
I ran 150 rounds of WWB and Blazer Brass 180gr FMJ and compared it side-by-side to my Browning HP in 40sw. The grip isn't as comfortable as the BHP but it seems to point better. I tested it with the smallest of the 3 provided backstraps. This P07 has 3 dot sights (an improvement for 2104 vs. the previous Duty model) and I seem to be more accurate more quickly than I am with the setup I have on the BHP (front FO and blacked out rear notch). I can see the FO sooner but I am quicker on target with the 3 dots. That's just me. Both guns are extremely accurate so it's more about how well I (you) can shoot it. The stippling and checkering on the grips and frame keep the P07 rock solid in your hands. The BHP slides around a bit. So the P07 is easier to keep on target.
The gun weighs 23 ounces so it's lighter than the BHP and about the same weight as my K40. I am used to shooting 40 but, even with the lighter weight, this gun's recoil is soft. I would think that the 9mm version is a pussycat.
The final test is that I let my brother-in-law (Mr. Teacup Limpwrister) shoot a couple of mags. NO FAILURES. Even with the gun almost jumping out of his hands. I shot some weak-handed and still...no issues.
Finally, on disassembly and inspection after firing, I saw no polymer shavings or gouges. Just a little wear on the barrel hood and the front frame block (the slide rides on metal blocks at the trigger assembly and hammer group). Like Kahr the slide does not ride on any plastic.

I gotta say that I'm a little disappointed that the CZ did not blow the BHP away. But I think I've found my new IDPA gun and I'm happy to shoot competition with a gun I also intend to carry. I never intended to carry the BHP as it is just too heavy and too long. CZ makes good stuff. Those who appreciate Kahr quality will probably like CZ's too.

No more all metal. :o Thanks!

GLOCKROCKER
05-23-2014, 09:15 PM
Congrats on the new purchase and welcome to the world of plastic. I purchased a P07 9mm for my son as a college graduation gift about 4 years ago. I was a little apprehensive about it at first, but that was what he wanted. It turned out to be a great shooter, as you said recoil is almost non existent and it is extremely accurate. He doesn't carry it as he has a Kahr CW40 and a Sig 938 that fill that need, but loves to shoot it and it serves as a nightstand piece. I can see where it would make a great comp gun.

chrish
05-23-2014, 10:16 PM
Awesome review! Thanks for following up from the other thread and also for those of on the verge of their next purchase. Definitely making me lean toward going ahead w/ a P-09 and not spending the extra $ on a tuned version. I'll save my pennies toward having my P-01 tuned later. Now I gotta get my hands on a P-09. Road trip!


Let us know how it is after 500 or 1000 rounds. Should smooth out and be even better.

kerby9mm
05-23-2014, 11:32 PM
Sorry. I still say no to drugs alcohol & plastic guns but anyway good luck with your new gun.

b4uqzme
05-24-2014, 06:42 AM
Sorry. I still say no to drugs alcohol & plastic guns but anyway good luck with your new gun.

never say never...but thanks! :) I said the same for a really long time and now feel I was missing out. Many Tupperware guns look and feel plastic which really turns me off. But there are others, like this one, that are great.

chrish - I can already tell that this one will improve with break-in so, yes, I'll post an update later.

Thanks

b4uqzme
05-24-2014, 06:55 AM
Awesome review! Thanks for following up from the other thread and also for those of on the verge of their next purchase. Definitely making me lean toward going ahead w/ a P-09 and not spending the extra $ on a tuned version. I'll save my pennies toward having my P-01 tuned later. Now I gotta get my hands on a P-09. Road trip!


Let us know how it is after 500 or 1000 rounds. Should smooth out and be even better.

And thanks chrish for turning me on to this gun. When you first mentioned you were looking at a P09 I thought you were nuts (because the metal CZs are so great)...silly me. I was wrong. Polymer CZs are great too.

johnh
05-24-2014, 10:07 AM
I love CZs, and have quite a few. My P-09 is my home defense pistol. It is a bit big for carry, but a great shooter and plenty of rounds on tap for bumps in the night. The Omega series triggers are great. Take a look at a P-02 if you get a chance.

b4uqzme
05-24-2014, 02:15 PM
I love CZs, and have quite a few. My P-09 is my home defense pistol. It is a bit big for carry, but a great shooter and plenty of rounds on tap for bumps in the night. The Omega series triggers are great. Take a look at a P-02 if you get a chance.

OK....where do you get one of THOSE??? :D

AIRret
05-24-2014, 02:24 PM
Congratulations on your new CZ…….now go kick some butt in IDPA!!!!

b4uqzme
05-24-2014, 02:36 PM
Will do. I just have to beat Mr. TL. He's the one who bought my P01. I bought this + a used 1911 + a used GP100 with the money I got for the P01. I think I did good even if he still wins. :cool:

AIRret
05-24-2014, 02:39 PM
Will do. I just have to beat Mr. TL. He's the one who bought my P01. I bought this + a used 1911 + a used GP100 with the money I got for the P01. I think I did good even if he still wins. :cool:

You sure did!!!

What kind of 1911 did you buy?

b4uqzme
05-24-2014, 02:47 PM
Auto Ordnance Corp. Check the thread in the 1911 section about "wide spur hammer".

Thanks!!

AIRret
05-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Auto Ordnance Corp. Check the thread in the 1911 section about "wide spur hammer".

Thanks!!

OK, I will.

chrish
05-24-2014, 10:59 PM
Take a look at a P-02 if you get a chance.



johnh, do you have one? If so...sweeeeeet.

If you ask me, THAT is the rainbow unicorn CZ gun if you can find it. P-01 w/ the Omega trigger. Best of all worlds. Metal, lightweight, good trigger out of the box.

There's actually one on GB right now, 'buy it now' for $825. Not at that price, but still.

Barth
05-25-2014, 03:26 AM
I was a no polymer gun guy for years.
Initially tried a HK USPC45 and couldn't hit the side of a barn.
Now I'm polymer HK all the way.
My UPST45 is an absolute tack driver.
12+1 45 ACP gives me confidence in the worst SHTF situation.
IMHO - nothing wrong with polymer.

Full Disclosure:
With Kahr I still prefer all stainless steel.
http://i1361.photobucket.com/albums/r678/barthunderwood/Mobile%20Uploads/Photo1139_zps15634674.jpg

kerby9mm
05-25-2014, 10:04 AM
I don't think polymer makes bad guns they just don't give me the so called fuzzy feeling. For weight saving they could go with scandium / alloy/ titanium but the cost/ machining is more. I have 3 S&W sc/ti revolvers that are light & not polymer. To me polymer is a cheap way to go light for the makers & still demand a high price.

johnh
05-25-2014, 10:39 AM
OK....where do you get one of THOSE??? :D

There were a few on Gunbroker a couple months back. Looks like they are gone now. My understanding is CZ brought in a limited run. Basically the P01 with the Omega trigger. Mine has a C&L safety rather than the decocker.

Barth
05-25-2014, 11:00 AM
I don't think polymer makes bad guns they just don't give me the so called fuzzy feeling. For weight saving they could go with scandium / alloy/ titanium but the cost/ machining is more. I have 3 S&W sc/ti revolvers that are light & not polymer. To me polymer is a cheap way to go light for the makers & still demand a high price.

My lightest pistol isn't plastic at all.
S&W 342 ti weights just 11.1 oz on a digital scale.
Aluminum alloy, titanium and stainless steel - back when S&W was the best.

kerby9mm
05-25-2014, 12:52 PM
I have a 337ti in fact my heaviest gun is a 329 ng at 29oz.

gb6491
05-25-2014, 02:06 PM
b4uqzme,
Congrats on the P-07!
I liked mine the short time that I had it (became part of my full/medium size 9mm purge awhile back, still have my 75B).
I did have one issue with my P-07 and thought to share the solution on the chance it happens to you (probably won't). This is also an excellent CZ related resource:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=9468
Regards,
Greg

b4uqzme
06-12-2014, 06:20 PM
Thanks Greg for the link. But I submitted my request to join the CZforum (so I could read it) and they haven't sent me my confirmation email yet. Guess they figure I talk too much. :o

Just one more range session -- 100 rounds of the cheap WWB 165gr stuff with no failures and pretty good accuracy. The gun feels real balanced with a full mag of ammo and I really like the trigger. Either it is getting better or I am getting more used to it.

I'm really bummed that I cannot make this Saturday's IDPA event. I really wanted to put this through its paces. My next opportunity won't be for another month.

MAGS ARE WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! = $45 each. I bought some CZ75B mags that work and were half the price but they stick out a little at the bottom and are a smidge thinner (thus they move in the magwell slightly). I'm not sure if that will cause a problem? They seem to run fine and I will just use them during matches and range time.

b4uqzme
07-12-2014, 01:08 PM
Finally got to an IDPA match with the CZ today (the whole reason I bought it to begin with). Well, it comes thru with flying colors ... a whole lot of zeroes on my scorecard. In fact I cleared all but one of the stationary targets. We won't talk about those moving and disappearing gizmos ... those weren't the gun's fault. :o

I think the most common question shooters have is about the trigger. Under duress I cannot imagine needing a lighter trigger. And boy is it smooth. I think that's the biggest benefit of the CZ Omega trigger: It's smooth right out of the box ... no need for an upgrade IMHO. Regular CZ triggers have a reputation for being gritty at first. I also leave the gun in the decocker mode. That seems to be best for self defense since I'm not a 1911 safety kind of guy. One long, smooth pull to begin followed by SA the rest of the way out.

So I'm real happy with the CZ P07 40sw and cannot say enough good things about IDPA. IDPA teaches you to think, use cover, move, and shoot all at the same time and quickly and under the stress of the timeclock. Things you can never learn at a static range.

Thanks!
PS. the only gun I've shot better at IDPA is my K40 (since this is a Kahr forum). :Amflag2:

garyb
07-12-2014, 07:00 PM
Finally got to an IDPA match with the CZ today (the whole reason I bought it to begin with). Well, it comes thru with flying colors ... a whole lot of zeroes on my scorecard. In fact I cleared all but one of the stationary targets. We won't talk about those moving and disappearing gizmos ... those weren't the gun's fault. :o

I think the most common question shooters have is about the trigger. Under duress I cannot imagine needing a lighter trigger. And boy is it smooth. I think that's the biggest benefit of the CZ Omega trigger: It's smooth right out of the box ... no need for an upgrade IMHO. Regular CZ triggers have a reputation for being gritty at first. I also leave the gun in the decocker mode. That seems to be best for self defense since I'm not a 1911 safety kind of guy. One long, smooth pull to begin followed by SA the rest of the way out.

So I'm real happy with the CZ P07 40sw and cannot say enough good things about IDPA. IDPA teaches you to think, use cover, move, and shoot all at the same time and quickly and under the stress of the timeclock. Things you can never learn at a static range.

Thanks!
PS. the only gun I've shot better at IDPA is my K40 (since this is a Kahr forum). :Amflag2:

Good Report! Thanks.