Target and Gun Carry

[Southerngunner]

I am all about gun rights for law abiding citizens, I have had my CCW since 1996 and I usually will not support a bussiness that doesn't allow legal carry. With that being said I think that all of the challenges that are coming up concerning long arms being carried at different establishments is going to hurt us in the long run. Before I get flamed for that comment I wonder how many of us even want most folks to know what we have as far as long arms and do we need to take them shopping when we go into a store like Target?
http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post--target-at-center-of-new-gun-carry-controversy

[wyntrout]

Ditto!

Wynn:D

[leftysixty]

Just 'cause ya can open carry don't mean that you should.

I don't want people to know that I carry a gun. It's none of their business. And I might need to "surprise" someone out to do me or mine harm.

Open carry of "long guns" just to make a point/show off is "maybe" not a good idea.

Just the ramblings of a "know nothing" old man :D :amflag:

[kwh]

In North Carolina we have a right to open carry. There is also a law called "going armed to the terror of the people". I am sure in N.C the police would have escorted them out of the store. I doubt if any charges would have been filed. The was a story in the local paper today where a driver wrecked his car, went to the hospital and while there asked the police to retreive his legally carried car pistol. He was then arrested for having hashish and a digital scale in his car.

[GROTMAN]

Hmm..hashish in the car..car wreck..ask police to get your gun out of the car.. think maybe there's a connection ? :rolleyes:

[Southerngunner]

Just 'cause ya can open carry don't mean that you should.

I don't want people to know that I carry a gun. It's none of their business. And I might need to "surprise" someone out to do me or mine harm.

Open carry of "long guns" just to make a point/show off is "maybe" not a good idea.

Just the ramblings of a "know nothing" old man :D :amflag:

Amen leftysixty, Your reply makes me think your readin my mail;) I feel a lot better not being the only "know nothing " old man. I live in Az. and I don't need a permit for open or concealed carry but I feel open carry makes you an immediate target where a concealed firearm at least gives you the option of making your gun visible or not. At that point if my gun leaves the holster in public it is NOT for show and tell.

[muggsy]

Just out of curiosity does it make you fellas nervous to see a police officer openly carrying a gun? Guess it's all in what you're used to seein'. I kinda go by a persons demeanor. That's called situational awareness.

[Southerngunner]

Just out of curiosity does it make you fellas nervous to see a police officer openly carrying a gun? Guess it's all in what you're used to seein'. I kinda go by a persons demeanor. That's called situational awareness.

It does'nt make me nervous to see law enforcement or other folks open carry at all and you are absolutely correct to pay attention to a persons demeanor and body language. I support their right to carry as they wish where its legal however I dissagree with flaunting firearms just to get attention. We all need to fight for our right to keep and bear arms I know that but we need to be smart about it. We have enough working against us already from the anti's why give them more publicity with unnecesary acts.

[berettabone]

My state has had open carry for ever. Do I think it's a good idea to carry a bazooka into Burger King? Someone who carries a long rifle around, well, I already have a hint about their demeanor......................or their IQ;)

[muggsy]

It does'nt make me nervous to see law enforcement or other folks open carry at all and you are absolutely correct to pay attention to a persons demeanor and body language. I support their right to carry as they wish where its legal however I dissagree with flaunting firearms just to get attention. We all need to fight for our right to keep and bear arms I know that but we need to be smart about it. We have enough working against us already from the anti's why give them more publicity with unnecesary acts.

Some call it flaunting a firearm and some call it exercising a right. When you in a voting booth do you call that flaunting a ballot? When I vote I feel that I'm exercising a right. I personally carry concealed, but I don't criticize someone who is exercising their right to carry openly. You see the left likes to divide and conquer and I won't play into their hands. As long as a person who is carrying openly is carrying with the proper demeanor I have no problem with it.

[Southerngunner]

Some call it flaunting a firearm and some call it exercising a right. When you in a voting booth do you call that flaunting a ballot? When I vote I feel that I'm exercising a right. I personally carry concealed, but I don't criticize someone who is exercising their right to carry openly. You see the left likes to divide and conquer and I won't play into their hands. As long as a person who is carrying openly is carrying with the proper demeanor I have no problem with it.

Muggsy, Perhaps my choice of words come across to strong,and actually I agree with all of your counter points. I would never try to divide and conquer our cause, I will support their rights to carry as they please ,however I still have my own opinion that kickin the fence does'nt do any of us any good. I know that a persons demeanor is the key but the left will never believe anything but ALL Guns are bad.
And when I excersize my right to vote I do flaunt the fact that I have never voted for the commie/terrorist/traitor:amflag:

[WMac19]

When a group of people band together for the purpose of furthering a political agenda, it's less their exercising an individual right than pushing for a cause. When the action, however positively intended, proves to be counterproductive and harms all who enjoy similar rights yet they continue on... I have no problem labelling that as dumb.

[leftysixty]

People with guns don't bother me, People with automobiles don't bother me, People that consume adult beverage don't bother me (get the point).

It is when these people "appear" to act in a careless/threatening/stupid, manner that I get bothered.

In Orygun there are a number of cities that "open carry" will flat out get you arrested. Of course that is most likely due to being overrun by Kalifornicated Libtards.

If nothing else you will be arrested for "disorderly conduct". Didn't say I liked it or approved, that is just how it is.

[leftysixty]

Amen leftysixty, Your reply makes me think your readin my mail;) I feel a lot better not being the only "know nothing " old man. I live in Az. and I don't need a permit for open or concealed carry but I feel open carry makes you an immediate target where a concealed firearm at least gives you the option of making your gun visible or not. At that point if my gun leaves the holster in public it is NOT for show and tell.

Nope! not read'n yer mail. Have enough trouble typ'n let alone read'n :rolleyes:

Be'n a know noth'n old man is way more fun than I thought it would be :D

We do agree on some things for sure :86:

[tv_racin_fan]

It does'nt make me nervous to see law enforcement or other folks open carry at all and you are absolutely correct to pay attention to a persons demeanor and body language. I support their right to carry as they wish where its legal however I dissagree with flaunting firearms just to get attention. We all need to fight for our right to keep and bear arms I know that but we need to be smart about it. We have enough working against us already from the anti's why give them more publicity with unnecesary acts.

Why give them your words of criticizm of someone exercising their right to keep and bear arms to use against us?

In my opinion you either support the right to keep and bears arms uninfringed or you don't.

You may choose not to open carry and I can understand your reasoning but some of us choose to open carry. Does that really make me more of a target? Perhaps, but perhaps it also has a deterent effect.

I know not so far down the road from me some bad guys went to rob a Waffle House.. just so happened that a couple men had 1911's on their side right out there in the open for everyone to see. Bad guys sent a man to go check out the joint.. he spotted the armed men and they decided to wait for those men to leave. We know this because the bad guys just happened to get caught by an attentive officer who spotted them parked behind the Waffle House and when they were caught they told the officer that the armed men inside caused them to wait.

Lots of these guys lately aint open carrying rifles just for the attention. They are doing so to point out the absurdity of Texas gun law where it is legal to open carry a long gun but not a handgun and where if you do open carry a long gun if someone calls the law and claims to have been scared by your long gun the officer can charge you even tho you did nothing but walk into a store with your long gun strapped to your back.

[Southerngunner]

Why give them your words of criticizm of someone exercising their right to keep and bear arms to use against us?

In my opinion you either support the right to keep and bears arms uninfringed or you don't.

Lots of these guys lately aint open carrying rifles just for the attention. They are doing so to point out the absurdity of Texas gun law where it is legal to open carry a long gun but not a handgun and where if you do open carry a long gun if someone calls the law and claims to have been scared by your long gun the officer can charge you even tho you did nothing but walk into a store with your long gun strapped to your back.


I made this post to see what others thought about the current situation not to criticize the folks trying to make a point and certainly not to give the left more fuel.
First off let me say again I whole heartedly support the right to keep and bear arms. Your opinion is yours and I resect that however I still stand by mine.
I spend a lot of time around Paulden Arizona if the name sounds familiar it because that is the home of "The Gunsite Raven Group" and if you were to walk around any of the surrounding towns in Chino Valley you would see open carry of all types of firearms and those folks in that area are not just doing it for attention it is part of the everyday dress code. It doesn't bother anyone and you dont see it on the news. The same is true for the southern border towns because that area has become a war zone for some of the ranchers and local residents and they are in harms way constantly. When I am down in the Bisbee, Tombstone, area a couple times a year I do open carry because I ride some of the back roads that are just a short distance from the border.:Amflag2:

[Southerngunner]

People with guns don't bother me, People with automobiles don't bother me, People that consume adult beverage don't bother me (get the point).

It is when these people "appear" to act in a careless/threatening/stupid, manner that I get bothered.



In Orygun there are a number of cities that "open carry" will flat out get you arrested. Of course that is most likely due to being overrun by Kalifornicated Libtards.

If nothing else you will be arrested for "disorderly conduct". Didn't say I liked it or approved, that is just how it is.

I live on the far west coast of Arizona and just some water separates us from Kalifornication,we are invaded all year long by them and some of them are O.K. so I know what you mean. But open carry scares the crap out of them and they usually call 911 at first sighting ,Usually nothing comes of it but it is a pain in the a@# for LEO and locals.
And you are right sometimes being a "Know nuthin old fart" is fun;)

[DT Guy]

Just out of curiosity does it make you fellas nervous to see a police officer openly carrying a gun? Guess it's all in what you're used to seein'. I kinda go by a persons demeanor. That's called situational awareness.

It'd make me nervous to have four of them waddle in carrying slung AR's, I can tell you that.....


Larry

[100percent]

We read every day about schools expelling students for drawing a picture or having a plastic toy gun in their knapsacks. An entire generation getting the message that guns are not tolerated.

The Missouri House has passed a bill which among other things will allow open carry and it got me thinking about it. When you think about what the police carry as a good model if you decide to do it. A full sized handgun. I have been to central and south america, there police carry AK's usually slung to the front always in groups. To me it is rather intimating.

Ill probably do some open carry but not slinging a long gun. That is just me.

[tv_racin_fan]

We read every day about schools expelling students for drawing a picture or having a plastic toy gun in their knapsacks. An entire generation getting the message that guns are not tolerated.

The Missouri House has passed a bill which among other things will allow open carry and it got me thinking about it. When you think about what the police carry as a good model if you decide to do it. A full sized handgun. I have been to central and south america, there police carry AK's usually slung to the front always in groups. To me it is rather intimating.

Ill probably do some open carry but not slinging a long gun. That is just me.

Ok, so lets say you wish to open carry but in that state it is ILLEGAL to open carry a handgun but LEGAL to open carry a long gun. Now what do YOU do?

Let's take this a bit farther and say ok it is legal to concealed carry a handgun but that means DEEP concealed. Printing of any sort you can be charged with OPEN carry the same as if you had it right there on your side for all to see.

Not far down the road from me a guy was arrested.. all he did was open carry a handgun in a park (totally legal). Supposed second amendment supporters called him all sorts of names and were happy he spent time in jail over it. Recently another guy was open carrying a handgun in a park, media reported all sorts of crap and supposed second amendment supporters again called him all sorts of names. In both cases the supposed second amendment supporters ran with the media account knowing how the media portrays any gun story.

With supposed friends like those who call me names for simply open carrying a handgun why would I need enemies?

[ltxi]

I open carry out and about in the country where it best suits the purpose. EDC in town is concealed, always. No sense concerning/scaring folk for no real reason, let alone getting noticed, and providing emotional fuel and support for the antis.

[deadeye]

We read every day about schools expelling students for drawing a picture or having a plastic toy gun in their knapsacks. An entire generation getting the message that guns are not tolerated.

The Missouri House has passed a bill which among other things will allow open carry and it got me thinking about it. When you think about what the police carry as a good model if you decide to do it. A full sized handgun. I have been to central and south america, there police carry AK's usually slung to the front always in groups. To me it is rather intimating.

Ill probably do some open carry but not slinging a long gun. That is just me.

I sometimes wonder if their brainwashing kids is going to work like they want it to. When we were kids, the more we were told we couldn't have or do something, the more we wanted to.

[100percent]

Tvracing
Mo doesn't have a concealed handgun law at present. They have a concealed weapon law. Meaning that currently if I wanted to carry an AR or pump shotgun under my duster, it would be perfectly legal. The way that I understand the changes that might occur you will be allowed to keep your weapon exposed.

[100percent]

Deadeye
Yes let's hope that you are right.

We wore our capguns holstered to our grade school. A few years ago I suggested to my niece the she might like to do some target shooting. When I handed her a 22 revolver she dangled it between her fingers and handed it back. To bad for her.

[tv_racin_fan]

The thing is we all know how the media portrays these types of things. YET when a story comes out that someone was seen openly carrying a handgun somewhere and some lies reported in the article, supposed right to keep and bear arms supporters on forums just like this one go all off on the poor guy who was doing nothing except walking around with a gun on his side out in the open legally. They call him names and claim he was looking for attention.

Moms Demand Actions claims to support the second amendment YET what they want is to force every business into not allowing me to exercize that right.

""Target is a central part of the lives of American moms -- we expect to be safe and secure when we wheel our kids around in the store's red shopping carts. And we support the Second Amendment but people walking through the aisles flaunting their loaded weapons -- as these extremist gun groups have been doing -- is unacceptable," she said in a statement."

They didn't ask them to ban or prevent OPEN carry they asked them to ban firearms PERIOD.

[100percent]

I retired in the past year. We always kept this sign in our business.

http://veloliner.com/smallgun/keepholstered.JPG

[muggsy]

To my way of thinking you either support the right to keep and bear arms or you don't. Bearing arms means carrying them, openly or concealed without any infringements. When we who support the right to keep and bear start infringing upon the rights of others because of their choice to carry openly we are no longer supporting the second amendment, we are supporting the antis. I'm not a milksop liberal.

[Southerngunner]

To my way of thinking you either support the right to keep and bear arms or you don't. Bearing arms means carrying them, openly or concealed without any infringements. When we who support the right to keep and bear start infringing upon the rights of others because of their choice to carry openly we are no longer supporting the second amendment, we are supporting the antis. I'm not a milksop liberal.

muggsy, If you are calling me a milksop liberal I take offence to that. If you read my replies I have Never said that I do not support their right to carry openly ,I do however I PERSONLLY disagree with going into the store with the intent of proving a point to get national attention. I feel that is giving the antis more fuel than me not agreeing with what they did .

[ltxi]

I support the right to carry Starbucks coffee, a Sonics burger, and Eric Cantor into a gun store. :cool:

[b4uqzme]

^^^ lmao

[hardluk1]

Carry'n anything is all fine and good till you have some good ole boy carry'n an ak hanging from a single point sling in front with hand on the grip grinning at everyone. That's reason to be arrested to me are drawn down on as another kill happy fool on the loose.


If common sense looks to have left the area assume the worse could happen.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140520013735-chipotle-guns-620xa.png

[SlowBurn]

Carry'n anything is all fine and good till you have some good ole boy carry'n an ak hanging from a single point sling in front with hand on the grip grinning at everyone. That's reason to be arrested to me are drawn down on as another kill happy fool on the loose.
Fine. They can bear their arms or bare their a$$es or whatever they like, but wherever those guys decide to eat, that's where I'm not going within a mile of.

[jeepster09]

I say this open carry stuff lately is the anti-gun lobby trying a new tactic. They are trying to aggravate people to make them oppose guns....fire up the masses to call their elected officials and support anti-gun laws. I would bet money the majority doing this wouldn't even know how to load or shoot a gun....they are sheeple [sorry Jocko for knocking sheep] that are following the anti gun orders to tweak the public. Just like the other recent story of someone finding a loaded gun in toy department of store....can we say planted on purpose to stir emotions!

[Southerngunner]

Recently Target has asked that customers Do Not bring firearms into the stores, here is some of the side effects of that choice.



http://usfinancepost.com/armed-robbers-target-target-store-following-gun-ban-21083.html (http://usfinancepost.com/armed-robbers-target-target-store-following-gun-ban-21083.html)

[Bawanna]

Just out of curiosity does it make you fellas nervous to see a police officer openly carrying a gun? Guess it's all in what you're used to seein'. I kinda go by a persons demeanor. That's called situational awareness.

No that's profiling. And I fully endorse it.

[Rob K]

Open carry rights should be protected but in too many cases it is a case of a huge EGO wanting to be challenged to show what a man he is.Responsible CCW persons don't want the negative attention.They want to be left alone to pursue their own peaceful lives while ensuring the safety of their families and other innocent parties.I respect every man's right to legally carry but don' necessarily agree with their motives.Let's not attract negative attention to a right we are fighting to protect. In the long run we would only be hurting ourselves by flaunting weapons that the general public doesn't understand. Let's be smart and advance our cause for legal carry.

[tv_racin_fan]

Carry'n anything is all fine and good till you have some good ole boy carry'n an ak hanging from a single point sling in front with hand on the grip grinning at everyone. That's reason to be arrested to me are drawn down on as another kill happy fool on the loose.


If common sense looks to have left the area assume the worse could happen.


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/140520013735-chipotle-guns-620xa.png

They were posing for a photo.

Every picture/video I have seen where they are just walking around shopping they have them slung, mostly on their back. Lots of video/pictures where they are posing they have them around front in various poses. Naturally the media puts the worst looking picture out there and wants everyone to believe that these guys were walking around like that.



By the way I am pretty certain that is an SKS with an AK mag in a Tapco stock.

[yqtszhj]

http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/gallery/files/2/5/girl-with-gun_758596.jpgIm all about open carry when the person looks like this...

http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/gallery/files/2/5/girl-with-gun_758596.jpg

[berettabone]

I will do what I usually do when things like this happen.....................I will close my wallet and not shop there, and it's a shame because I like them the best of the big box stores:mad:

[shlike]

I open carry out and about in the country where it best suits the purpose. EDC in town is concealed, always. No sense concerning/scaring folk for no real reason, let alone getting noticed, and providing emotional fuel and support for the antis.

I agree with this completely.

[Southerngunner]

Plus 1, But then again its easy for me to stay out of Target since the closest one is 70 miles away and I was never very fond of them anyhow