Vehicle carry - My solution

[DavidS]

I have been trying to figure out what to do with my MK40 when I am driving. I pocket carry and access to it is a little cumbersome while driving. I have looked at the various methods shown online, like under the steering column and inside the center console, etc. But I did not like the methods I have seen for various reasons.
I almost exclusively drive my Chevy pickup and this fix is for it, not for all makes and models of vehicles.
Long story short, I had a Forbus GL2 holster for my Glock 23 that was in a drawer doing nothing. I cut off the paddle flush and parallel to the bottom of the holster so the paddle would not bottom out in door compartment. The holster then clips to the edge of the compartment and is pretty stable, although I might add a little strip of hook and loop. The MK40 just sits in the holster and is not gripped by the holster so it slip right out when I grab it. It is very stable when in the holster and does not rattle around like it is loose. It sits right below the door handle, is not pinched up against the seat and is very easy to access. Also, it is not visible from outside the vehicle.

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[tv_racin_fan]

Not bad at all.

[Pointblank]

My solution is a cross-draw holster.

[DavidR]

Nice!

Florida law requires that a gun in a vehicle be securely encased which includes "snapped in a holster". I wonder if this is legal in Florida?

[garyb]

Readily accessible and securely out of sight for me. Either on me or in the latched center console.

[Bill K]

Looks to be that you're right handed... Is the map pocket deep enough so that you could mount the holster to effect a right handed cross draw? I'd want to be able to easily grasp the gun with my strong hand.

[berettabone]

I just leave it in my Desantis, and set it under the center console.

[wyntrout]

If you're a lefty, that might work, but you would have to always remember to get the pistol out of sight every time you open the door. I still think it is a bad idea for the pistol NOT to be on your person. This precludes forgetting to put it back on every time you dismount... as at the gas pump... or a carjacker drags you out of your vehicle at gunpoint... or a cop asks you to step out of your vehicle! :eek:

Wynn:)

[DavidS]

Looks to be that you're right handed... Is the map pocket deep enough so that you could mount the holster to effect a right handed cross draw? I'd want to be able to easily grasp the gun with my strong hand.

Yes, the map pocket is deep enough BUT there are other issues that arise trying to mount the holster inside the pocket with the paddle on the outside. It would not be as simple.
The top of the map pocket has a lip that extends out from the door which likely will bump knuckles during the draw.
The inside lip of the map pocket has some ridges the help grip the paddle belt tabs, the ridges are not on the outside of the lip.
The holster tends to cant toward the door when the holster is mounted inside the map pocket.

[Ikeo74]

I see 2 problems with the placement of your gun.

1) It is can be seen every time you get into or out of your car.

2) It could be flipped out of the holster if the door is slammed shut too hard.

Someone sees your gun when you exit the car and waits until you are out of sight, brakes your window and takes your gun.

Everyone is going to know you have a gun in your car and they might feel threatened by it.

If you don't lock the car door every time you get out the gun will soon be missing.

[DavidS]

I see 2 problems with the placement of your gun.

1) It is can be seen every time you get into or out of your car.

2) It could be flipped out of the holster if the door is slammed shut too hard.

Someone sees your gun when you exit the car and waits until you are out of sight, brakes your window and takes your gun.

Everyone is going to know you have a gun in your car and they might feel threatened by it.

Good observations.

1) I recognized this as a potential problem and handle my parking and vehicle exit with that in mind. Most of the time, it is removed from the holster and placed in my pocket before exiting the vehicle.
2) I do not believe this is possible, the arrangement is very secure. It would require a significant upward force to flip out of the holster.

[Southerngunner]

If you're a lefty, that might work, but you would have to always remember to get the pistol out of sight every time you open the door. I still think it is a bad idea for the pistol NOT to be on your person. This precludes forgetting to put it back on every time you dismount... as at the gas pump... or a carjacker drags you out of your vehicle at gunpoint... or a cop asks you to step out of your vehicle! :eek:

Wynn:)

I agree with all of wyntrout's comments especially about a cop wanting you to exit your vehicle in the event of a trafic stop . In Arizona it is recomended that if a CCW permit holder is involved in a traffic stop that you hand your permit along with your D.L. and inform them you are armed. A lot of times two officer's aproach the truck from opossing sides if the cop on the passenger side happens to see where your gun is it could get tense pretty quick before you have a chance to inform them of its location.

[DavidS]

I agree with all of wyntrout's comments especially about a cop wanting you to exit your vehicle in the event of a trafic stop . In Arizona it is recomended that if a CCW permit holder is involved in a traffic stop that you hand your permit along with your D.L. and inform them you are armed. A lot of times two officer's aproach the truck from opossing sides if the cop on the passenger side happens to see where your gun is it could get tense pretty quick before you have a chance to inform them of its location.

Oklahoma law requires that I notify the officer upon initial contact that I have a weapon, something that I would do anyway or in any other state even if not required.

As far as the opposing side officer, or the near side officer for that matter, the gun is not visible from outside the truck. They would only see it if I open my door, which would only be done at their request, and by then I would have informed them of the weapon and permit.

[Bawanna]

I agree and think your good to go. Being the seat and stuff is there it can't be seen from the passenger side and not from the drivers side unless they stick their head in the window which ain't gonna happen.

Technically in Washington and it's up for debate all the time, if your carrying concealed in a vehicle and ordered out, the gun has to come with you and be on your person. You can't lay it on the seat or dash etc.

I've heard that this has changed and you can now do so, put it in the glove box, or seat or holster such as your doing.

It's still up for interpretation. The stupid thing is your allowed to leave your gun in your car unoccupied as long as the gun is out of sight and the vehicle is locked. Like you visit your kid at school and your foolish enough to follow their rules, you can leave it secured in the car.

Surprisingly most driver/officer contacts I've heard of from friends and such say the officer usually isn't concerned about a gun. Aware and cautious of course but not panicked. One guy had his gun in the glove box on top of his paperwork. He told the officer and he said to just put it on the seat and get the papers.

[Southerngunner]

Oklahoma law requires that I notify the officer upon initial contact that I have a weapon, something that I would do anyway or in any other state even if not required.

As far as the opposing side officer, or the near side officer for that matter, the gun is not visible from outside the truck. They would only see it if I open my door, which would only be done at their request, and by then I would have informed them of the weapon and permit.

A Silverado is also my main vehicle and because I carry strong side and I am right handed I sometimes will either put the pistol in the center console or between my seat and the console so my seatbelt doesn't impare access while I'm driving.as soon as I shut off the truck my pistol is in my holster before I get out ,I never leave a gun in any vehicle anattended. If your method works for you that is all that matters.
Regards,
S.G.

[Bawanna]

I personally never take mine off when I'm in the vehicle. I have to here at work so I secure it before I get out but if I'm in the car, the gun is on me. I get forgetful anymore and don't like to leave nothing laying around.

[DavidS]

Thanks for the encouragement Colonel.

I am quite comfortable with my choice. I appreciate everyone's concern but I have thought this through.

More comments would be welcome and I would be happy to address those concerns. Possibly something will come up that I have not considered. I do know that I need more work on left hand shooting.

[DLButler]

I do about the same mount. I use the bar that goes across the front of the seat for adjustment to mount mine. I use a paddle just like you do, snap it over the bar. It is then between my legs in front, very easy to access. It is also out of view both entering and exiting and if an officer would come to the window.

[cohoskip]

I use a very strong magnet, made for that purpose, in the door pocket. At times I conceal it with a cloth cover as illustrated. Works for me...

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[TheTman]

Center console has worked well for me. Police don't mind since I keep my paperwork in the glove box. When stopped, I hand them my DL and CC permit. And when asked if I am armed, tell them the gun is in the center console, and they just ask me not to open it during the stop. This has worked out with the locals, and the Hiway Patrol.

[DavidS]

My first thought on vehicle carry location was in, on or under the center console. It seemed to be the obvious choice, but then ...

I figured the most probable need for a gun while in my pickup would be while I was stopped at an intersection or in a parking lot. The bad guy shows up outside my window waving a gun.

I do not think he is going to stand around quietly and watch as my right hand opens, digs under, or grabs a clearly visible gun on top of the center console. (or reach under my seat, inside my pocket or waistband, or under my steering column).

What he WILL want and need me to do is open the door.

As it so happens, the door handle is directly above the map pocket and below the arm rest. He will be none the wiser that I was able to grab a gun on my way to grabbing the door handle.

And that is why I chose the map pocket for vehicle carry.

Well, that and sometimes Meemaw likes to put the console up and snuggle up next to me. :blushing:

[kwh]

Thanks for the discussion.I am in the process now of trying to find a practical way to carry and draw while buckled-in. Had not thought of the Fobus clip. Thanks.

[hardluk1]

Can shoot well to the left in a left handed grip and switching hands cost time and maybe more.
I carry at a 2:10 postion with a larger tp series. The pistol sets high and leanis to the rear so the grip is parallel to the belt. Its comfortable , always on me and the seatbelt does not effect a draw. I also don't have the luxury is be fit and trim. Far easier on a little waistline.
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Note the angle of the holsters clips, Its a comp-tac minotaur neutral for a cw9but the tp40 fits. I cut the excess leather off the bottom.
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[Longitude Zero]

Best Solution I have ever seen, and I have seen basically every option good and bad. The companies name is Gum Creek.

[DavidS]

Best Solution I have ever seen, and I have seen basically every option good and bad. The companies name is Gum Creek.

That solution caught my eye also. The only problem I have with it is how does the gun get into your hand when a bad guy is standing outside your door with you in his sights.
But then, maybe that scenario is not as likely as I assume. Not knocking the solution, a lot of personal preferences and opinions on what may happen and how to handle it. For instance, lots of folks carry IWB. A great way to cc but it is not for me.

[SlowBurn]

This, like other ccw issues, solved itself when I started pocket carrying. As I get in the car, I take the pocket holster and pistol out of my right front pocket and jam it between the console and passenger bucket seat with the handle up. Very accessible. If I feel paranoid I'll lay a hat or something over it.

As I get out of the car, the holster/pistol combo goes back in the pocket. The open car door conceals the actions. If a small 380 satisfies your everyday sd needs, you don't need to do anything more elaborate for vehicle carry.

[Longitude Zero]

That solution caught my eye also. The only problem I have with it is how does the gun get into your hand when a bad guy is standing outside your door with you in his sights.

Judicious parking/stopping of the car. When the bad guy is outside the door hit the gas and ram the car in front of you. Trying to draw a gun while having a gun pointed at you indicates to me a mistake on the situational awareness on the part of the so called victim.

Frankly here in the USA being attacked while trapped in traffic is the hogoblin of folks who allow fear to override their basic concept of common sense. I have access to any report on attacks anywhere in the USA. Being attacked in your car in traffic almost NEVER happens like the public has been taught to fear.

[muggsy]

Here's a simple solution to the problem.

http://www.gumcreekcustoms.com/

[DavidS]

Lots of good alternatives posted here.
In my case, I had a useless item sitting in a drawer that wound up being my best alternative.
Different people = different preferences.
So, I will stick with what I have (unless I see a better alternative or I find out my method is wrong for some reason ;)).

[wyntrout]

Judicious parking/stopping of the car. When the bad guy is outside the door hit the gas and ram the car in front of you. Trying to draw a gun while having a gun pointed at you indicates to me a mistake on the situational awareness on the part of the so called victim.

Frankly here in the USA being attacked while trapped in traffic is the hogoblin of folks who allow fear to override their basic concept of common sense. I have access to any report on attacks anywhere in the USA. Being attacked in your car in traffic almost NEVER happens like the public has been taught to fear.

You must have missed the video feeds of BG's running up to commuters and hijacking their car and the driver at gunpoint when the BG's vehicle is disabled or they see an opportunity to upgrade their transportation, as from foot to auto AND driver/hostage.

Wynn:)

[Longitude Zero]

You must have missed the video feeds of BG's running up to commuters and hijacking their car and the driver at gunpoint when the BG's vehicle is disabled or they see an opportunity to upgrade their transportation, as from foot to auto AND driver/hostage.

Wynn:)

It is statistically so improbable that to base your entire defense strategy on it is stupid. It is certainly a very slight consideration BUT NOT one that should override other far more likely events. Yeah I see vids that you and others here do not and frankly won't ever see.

[wyntrout]

It is statistically so improbable that to base your entire defense strategy on it is stupid. It is certainly a very slight consideration BUT NOT one that should override other far more likely events. Yeah I see vids that you and others here do not and frankly won't ever see.

Statistics... studied that in college... in several fields of study or majors. Statistics can be used to prove or disprove just about anything... the same set of statistics. Statistics can be comforting or disappointing when you become one of the "statistics".

I am always wearing my EDC so that I'm not separated from it whether by my memory lapse or being forced or pulled from a vehicle by a BG. I also have spare tires and fire extinguishers in our vehicles, as well as fire extinguishers at home... multiples of the latter in my van and home.

I carry a spare magazine and a knife for backup on my weak side. I keep my eyes moving and use situational awareness all of the time with respect to all possible threats... pedestrians, traffic, emergency vehicles, and other evolving situations. My doors are always locked in our vehicles and at home. I don't want to let my guard down and count on "statistics" to "protect" me.

It's like the folks who live in "safe" neighborhoods... where do you think the BG's go when they want good stuff to steal??

:behindsofa:

Wynn:)

[Longitude Zero]

It's like the folks who live in "safe" neighborhoods... where do you think the BG's go when they want good stuff to steal??

:behindsofa:

Wynn:)

If you think it is rich neighborhoods you have some studying to do. Most thieves are too lazy to leave their own neighborhoods. Facts like FBI reports are pesky things. Paranoia works both way or didn't you know?

[DavidS]

The best laid plans ....... I encountered a problem with my mount that I did not see coming. With the holster mounted outside the map pocket, it is in perfect position to get thumped by my knee when exiting the vehicle.
Fixed it by completely removing the paddle and mounting the holster to the inside wall of the map pocket with some velcro. Works pretty much like before, it is just a few inches farther away from the seat but still easily grabbed because it is not mounted to the door side of the map pocket.
Bill K, if you are still looking, this may be an answer to your question.
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[knkali]

The best laid plans ....... I encountered a problem with my mount that I did not see coming. With the holster mounted outside the map pocket, it is in perfect position to get thumped by my knee when exiting the vehicle.
Fixed it by completely removing the paddle and mounting the holster to the inside wall of the map pocket with some velcro. Works pretty much like before, it is just a few inches farther away from the seat but still easily grabbed because it is not mounted to the door side of the map pocket.
Bill K, if you are still looking, this may be an answer to your question.
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NOW you are talk'n. I did not like it hanging out there before. This has a little redundancy so it doesn't hit the deck with the map pocket as a "safety net". I question your pocket carry all together though. Better than nothing but when the feces hits the ventilation system, you will be hard pressed to deploy smoothly and quickly. My 2 centavos which are worth less than 2 cents. I WOULD NOT RELY ON VELCRO TO HOLD THAT HOLSTER. Under stress and that rig bouncing around for thousands of miles, you might end up with a gun and holster in your hand when needed. If serious about this carry, bolt that holster to the side panel. The life you may save could be your own. Lastly, you better do a lot of weak side work so you are comfortable with this set up.

[DavidS]

NOW you are talk'n. I did not like it hanging out there before. This has a little redundancy so it doesn't hit the deck with the map pocket as a "safety net". I question your pocket carry all together though. Better than nothing but when the feces hits the ventilation system, you will be hard pressed to deploy smoothly and quickly. My 2 centavos which are worth less than 2 cents. I WOULD NOT RELY ON VELCRO TO HOLD THAT HOLSTER. Under stress and that rig bouncing around for thousands of miles, you might end up with a gun and holster in your hand when needed. If serious about this carry, bolt that holster to the side panel. The life you may save could be your own. Lastly, you better do a lot of weak side work so you are comfortable with this set up.

Yes, my weak side sucks so I am starting to work on it. As for the pocket carry, I do not disagree. But, I cannot get the IWB to work for me.
Good thought on the velcro. I will keep an eye on it and pull the holster out periodically to see if the velcro is still good. If needed, I don't think bolting it in will be too difficult. I may just bolt it in anyway if no other issues crop up. Thanks for the heads up.

[knkali]

Last thought. Since you admit your weak side sucks, getting a combat grip can be very difficult on the weak side. You might want to put some spacers between the holster and the side panel when you bolt it up to give your weak hand better ability to grab the grip of the gun. If the grip of the gun is too close to the side panel, your draw will be flawed from the get go. Not hard to do and will make its use, if ever needed, smoother and safer for you which translates to a faster and consistent deployment. The rig that Mugs and LZ recommended has that. It allows the operator the ability to palm the grip easily and the combat grip is readily available. Again something small can be a big thing if needed. Only need about a 1/2 to 3/4 inch spacers from the holster to the side panel.


BTW PM sent.

[Baklash]

knkali, I like your idea of some spacers for more room between the holster and the side panel, since that was the problem I ran into with my big mitts.
One thing to consider with grabbing the gun with the left hand: Try it and then point the gun toward the left window? Difficult to do, even with flexible wrists. It would be a poor hand position for firing the weapon. I practiced, but could not do it very well. That is why I believe a right hand movement is better. Unfortunately, the metal clip on my Desantis does not secure the holster to the panel very well. Still working on that.

[knkali]

knkali, I like your idea of some spacers for more room between the holster and the side panel, since that was the problem I ran into with my big mitts.
One thing to consider with grabbing the gun with the left hand: Try it and then point the gun toward the left window? Difficult to do, even with flexible wrists. It would be a poor hand position for firing the weapon. I practiced, but could not do it very well. That is why I believe a right hand movement is better. Unfortunately, the metal clip on my Desantis does not secure the holster to the panel very well. Still working on that.

You are correct but David seems set on this so that would be a compromise. I would go with a strong side draw all together. As we all know, there are no do overs if the gun is ever needed.

[DavidS]

You are correct but David seems set on this so that would be a compromise. I would go with a strong side draw all together. As we all know, there are no do overs if the gun is ever needed.

No argument there, my solution is a compromise and I knew that going in. Any other option I chose would also have been a compromise in one way or another. This option I choose as the best for my current needs.
The option I select could easily change in the future - like getting a different vehicle - or not having to worry about a pair of four-year-old boys in the back seat - or my wife deciding that after 40 years she would rather opt for the comfort of her own seat rather than sitting next to me in the middle - or one of many possibilities.

[knkali]

No argument there, my solution is a compromise and I knew that going in. Any other option I chose would also have been a compromise in one way or another. This option I choose as the best for my current needs.
The option I select could easily change in the future - like getting a different vehicle - or not having to worry about a pair of four-year-old boys in the back seat - or my wife deciding that after 40 years she would rather opt for the comfort of her own seat rather than sitting next to me in the middle - or one of many possibilities.


Dude..... 4 yo boys? I would NOT have a gun mounted like that knowing this. Personal carry ONLY. That way I cannot accidently be separated from my gun and the boys finding it. One thing less to worry about --ever. Again my 2 centavos only...

[DavidS]

Dude..... 4 yo boys? I would NOT have a gun mounted like that knowing this. Personal carry ONLY. That way I cannot accidently be separated from my gun and the boys finding it. One thing less to worry about --ever. Again my 2 centavos only...

That issue has been considered and worked out.
They are the number one reason I carry. Would be stupid to put them in danger from my own gun.

[knkali]

That issue has been considered and worked out.
They are the number one reason I carry. Would be stupid to put them in danger from my own gun.
I roger that.....

[DavidS]

NOW you are talk'n. I did not like it hanging out there before. This has a little redundancy so it doesn't hit the deck with the map pocket as a "safety net". I question your pocket carry all together though. Better than nothing but when the feces hits the ventilation system, you will be hard pressed to deploy smoothly and quickly. My 2 centavos which are worth less than 2 cents. I WOULD NOT RELY ON VELCRO TO HOLD THAT HOLSTER. Under stress and that rig bouncing around for thousands of miles, you might end up with a gun and holster in your hand when needed. If serious about this carry, bolt that holster to the side panel. The life you may save could be your own. Lastly, you better do a lot of weak side work so you are comfortable with this set up.

You were 100% correct on the velcro, except it did not come close a thousand miles.
Looking now at modifying for screws and spacers (as you also mentioned). If anything more is required, I may have to change my position and change the position of the gun. I retired from engineering as a job, don't need it as a hobby.

[leftysixty]

The one thing I see that no one is considering is, What happens if/when you are involved in an accident.

During impact stuff flies, everywhere, every time. Glove boxes, consoles, door panels, seat parts, and dash parts can and will depart their proper places. "Modern automobiles are designed to "collapse" and interior pieces are designed to break free.

Just keep this in mind. You may have a challenge finding you gun after a collision.

Some thing to think about when you decide to off body carry your gun. YMMV

[b4uqzme]

Judicious parking/stopping of the car. When the bad guy is outside the door hit the gas and ram the car in front of you. Trying to draw a gun while having a gun pointed at you indicates to me a mistake on the situational awareness on the part of the so called victim...

+1. If I am in the car, getting the heck outta there is plan A.

But it's a good topic to discuss. Someone just might have an idea you like. It's a personal choice.

[DavidS]

If I am involved in an accident where "During impact stuff flies, everywhere, every time. Glove boxes, consoles, door panels, seat parts, and dash parts can and will depart their proper places", there is going to be a long list of things to be concerned about. The challenge of finding my gun is not going to be anywhere near the top, it will probably rank a little above finding my screwdrivers, wrenches and other tools that were also in the vehicle with me.

[knkali]

If I am involved in an accident where "During impact stuff flies, everywhere, every time. Glove boxes, consoles, door panels, seat parts, and dash parts can and will depart their proper places", there is going to be a long list of things to be concerned about. The challenge of finding my gun is not going to be anywhere near the top, it will probably rank a little above finding my screwdrivers, wrenches and other tools that were also in the vehicle with me.

A LOADED gun, while universally considered a "tool" in SD scenarios, outside of any SD situation is not held to such a nonchalant standard as a wrench or screwdriver. I car carry too. The fact that I am in an accident, and might sustain great bodily injury requiring me to be removed by EM services, does not negate my responsibility for that weapon. Leftysixty's post is a good one worth a second consideration. I tend to pontificate way too much in this thread, it is just that I have ruminated through what David is just starting to. I **** the F up now and keep my 2 centavos to myself. Sorry for the timbre of my posts. I am way too serious.

[jlottmc]

I agree with all of wyntrout's comments especially about a cop wanting you to exit your vehicle in the event of a trafic stop . In Arizona it is recomended that if a CCW permit holder is involved in a traffic stop that you hand your permit along with your D.L. and inform them you are armed. A lot of times two officer's aproach the truck from opossing sides if the cop on the passenger side happens to see where your gun is it could get tense pretty quick before you have a chance to inform them of its location.


That kinda got me let go from an SO round here. I was on the driver side and my LT was not. He went across the bar ditch and started screaming, I didn't here him. According to him I froze, funny thing about that part he's shot two people, and I have more combat experience than he does, but I froze. Oh well.
I wouldn't carry like that, especially if you come south. Here it must be concealed, but I would worry about the draw process. That is a long way to reach for a righty. Plus as others have said you lose all form of concealment when you open that door, you know the one time you forget to put it in your pocket.

[tv_racin_fan]

I like it myself. In fact I have stuck mine down in a similar pocket as a pocket carry handgun is damn difficult to get at seated and belted.

I want to get one of those cross draw holsters that snap on with a flap that goes around it so you can put it on and take it off while seated and put it on the seat belt.

[garyb]

If you don't like the center console, they make seat covers with a front hand gun carry slot. About as convenient and concealed as you can get outside the console. Check out Cabelas.

[hardluk1]

That's one reason I wear at a 2:00 position. Holster is adjust so the pistols 4" barrel as pointing forward , grip parallel to my belt. I can access it seated and the seat belt does not come in to play. I may have to easy a shirt tail over the seat belt if wearing out side my pants but still concealed. I will not set a handgun off my body holster to a vehicle . To many things can happen out of my control.

[Bawanna]

Actually I went through a similar thing with my wheelchair. I used to stick a gun in my back back or various other locations. But I got to thinking if I'm separated from the chair it's no longer in my control. Like if I get into a car, or say a take over type robbery where I have to get on the floor etc.

I got away from putting things that can hurt folks behind me where I can't see them too. Knives etc are either on me or in my front little pack where I can see any attempt to remove them.

I'm not far from being eligible for a full time power chair. Figure I can haul even more stuff then. Maybe a scabbard for the Thompson?

[CPTKILLER]

It's a good start. Keep on working on it.

[berettabone]

That's one reason I wear at a 2:00 position. Holster is adjust so the pistols 4" barrel as pointing forward , grip parallel to my belt. I can access it seated and the seat belt does not come in to play. I may have to easy a shirt tail over the seat belt if wearing out side my pants but still concealed. I will not set a handgun off my body holster to a vehicle . To many things can happen out of my control.

I have a High Noon holster that I wear at 2:00 also...................can get at it without the seatbelt being a problem.

[hardluk1]

Yea it just make sense once you get a holster adjusted right.