Anyone pepper sprayed a dog?

[JohnR]

The trashy neighbors' pit bulls were loose, wandering around the neighborhood tonight. I was sitting on the front porch at the time. They came up next to our carport, and our 3 year old opened the door, and our toy poodle launched himself out. I yelled at her to get inside, then and I went in to get the spray bottle of alcohol.

Our dog never listens when he's outside, so I squirted alcohol on pit bull 1's face, to no effect. The spray is a bit lame, short range only. Pit bull 2 was sniffing our dog's butt, no critical situation. But I got the Kimber Pepper Blaster out of my car. They never got aggressive or in an attack mode, just two stupid dogs with zero discipline, but I couldn't predict that at the time. Not a gun situation, I like animals too much unless they're actually preying on a loved one.

Then two pedestrians walked by, and the dogs decided they'd be interesting to follow, so it was over for me.

Next time I'm inclined to just pepper spray their asses.

[muggsy]

All of the meter readers from Cleveland Electric Illuminating Co. carried pepper spray and it worked to good effect. You do have to be aware of the wind direction.

[Bawanna]

My mom delivered mail for like 36 years. They carried pepper spray but she found doggie treats were far more effective. I notice our UPS driver uses the same tactic. Downfall is they end up like the 47%ers and come running when they see the big green truck, knowing they get dog biscuits. So far no free phones.

[JohnR]

Yeah, I don't want them coming back for more.

[Planedude]

A few years ago, to make ends meet in tough times, my son took a job form a tow company. He would go to apartment and condo complexes, on behalf of the complex management and ID, photograph and tag for tow vehicles that were out of compliance. For best effect, he did this at night, often drawing an irate comment from the vehicle owners. His only available defenses where his wits and an old Kimber pepperblaster (the one that looks like a cell phone). While he never wound up with any two legged trouble he could not handle, the old pepperblaster did get used on a four legged trouble maker one night.
So it was well past midnight in a large complex surrounded by a fancy golf course. The complex had seen better days and the clientele renting there where... lets just say not the "country club set" that might have been there years before. My son had been busy tagging cars with expired tags and inspections when got to the far end of the complex. It was now close to two am and my son found he had to take a leak. He picked a spot behind the dumpster enclosure bordering the fifth fairway and let fly. As he finished there was a bang, then a hell of a crash in the dumpster area beside him. Figuring some smart ass was messing with him, my son moved quickly out to his left and lit the area up with his tactical flashlight. A quick, somewhat panicked scan of the area reviled it was an animal my son would say it was the biggest dang raccoon that he has ever seen in his life (he described it to me at breakfast that day as "Australian shepherd size" which would be a big-un indeed). Relived it was nothing nefarious stalking him, he hollered at the beast to "shoo away". Instead the critter charged my boy. Lit up by the flashlight and with my son hollering at it to go, the big **** kept coming. At about eight feet, it raised up and hissed. Big mistake for Grandpacoon*, with the Kimber out and already pointed my son gave the lil bastard both barrels. My son was not exactly sure which hit happened in what order but one side of the pepperblaster caught the old raccoon in the chest and one hit was square in the face.

My son would describe what happened next with the joke, "you know, I never would have thought that Kimber would make such a good raccoon rocket fuel..." My son still laughs at just how fast that big bastard was moving that morning.

Pepperblaster spray really works, you have to aim well, but this one worked great, even though the label said it was three months past its expiration date (I did not know that till after). All the ladies in my life tote the Kimber Pepperblaster 2. Not a .45 but way better than a girly slap.

Next time you need it, use it!

[happypuppy]

Yes. I used 5.3 by Fox labs. Fido was not interested in me any longer :)


When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. --H.G. Wells

[Longitude Zero]

I have seen just as many gassings of dogs succeed as fail. Generally ANY compressed liquid spray could be effective. Animals are generally not as susceptible to OC as human. Primarily they do not like the instantaneous cold blast. Decades ago when you could buy canned Freon I know utility company folks used it to universal success.

[happypuppy]

I have seen just as many gassings of dogs succeed as fail. Generally ANY compressed liquid spray could be effective. Animals are generally not as susceptible to OC as human. Primarily they do not like the instantaneous cold blast. Decades ago when you could buy canned Freon I know utility company folks used it to universal success.

Interesting. The National Institute For Justice study of effectiveness of defensive sprays found OC 100% effective on animals. Perhaps your referring to CNS sprays? They fair poorly on animals

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/162358.pdf


When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. --H.G. Wells

[knkali]

mixed results on 2 and 4 legged animals.

[warbird1]

FREEZE + P is as good as it gets. Works great on convicts and dogs alike.

[JohnR]

I picked up a couple of keychain-size sprays today. A Ruger with a belt clip and key ring, and Sabre Red Spitfire. I hate large objects like this in my pants pocket, not sure if I'll want to keep them there or not. I'll keep at least one in my briefcase. The Kimber blaster is for the car, a "go away" pest control device.

[garyb]

Twice, my wife and I were out walking and were attacked by dogs. I scored a direct hits in the nose and mouth on both of them and it was game over. They both rolled in the ditch and ran away.

[Longitude Zero]

Interesting. The National Institute For Justice study of effectiveness of defensive sprays found OC 100% effective on animals. Perhaps your referring to CNS sprays? They fair poorly on animals

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/162358.pdf


When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. --H.G. Wells

OC fails in over 50% of it encounters when used on humans. The National Institute for Justice is a well known lick boot that goes whatever way the money goes. They also have studies showing the TASER as not particularily effective. LEO trainers and civilians also know to ignore them 99% of the time.

[AJBert]

OC fails in over 50% of it encounters when used on humans. The National Institute for Justice is a well known lick boot that goes whatever way the money goes. They also have studies showing the TASER as not particularily effective. LEO trainers and civilians also know to ignore them 99% of the time.

I would love to see where you got this particular statistic. From my personal experience I can say that at best OC is not effective on 2% of humans. I've gone through training numerous times with anywhere from 20 personnel to 200 personnel. With larger groups we always had one, maybe two folks that weren't affected.

I was affected each and every time, however. Nice to know I'm not a mutant I guess.

[Longitude Zero]

I would love to see where you got this particular statistic. From my personal experience I can say that at best OC is not effective on 2% of humans. I've gone through training numerous times with anywhere from 20 personnel to 200 personnel. With larger groups we always had one, maybe two folks that weren't affected.

I was affected each and every time, however. Nice to know I'm not a mutant I guess.

A failure is every instance where the subject was able to continue their previous activity at a level of at least 50%. Meaning if they did anything other than a complete and total cessation of resistance ie. just stopped struggling 100%. If they could continue struggling and fight it is a failure in the minds of the manufacturers and officers. I have NEVER seen anybody sprayed that just quit and gave up any and all resistance, never even once. Personal observation and facts from CapStun and other major manufacturers. Some formulations work well. Many depts. switched in my area to a cheaper brand. The current supplier advises that from delivery to effect is from 3-7 seconds. It effects my breathing but VERY LITTLE tearing and eye irritation with the current formulation. Alcohol based OC is VASTLY better than the water based being promulgated currently. Aalcohol based is rare to find currently due to its claimed flammability problems.

[AJBert]

A failure is every instance where the subject was able to continue their previous activity at a level of at least 50%. Meaning if they did anything other than a complete and total cessation of resistance ie. just stopped struggling 100%. If they could continue struggling and fight it is a failure in the minds of the manufacturers and officers. I have NEVER seen anybody sprayed that just quit and gave up any and all resistance, never even once. Personal observation and facts from CapStun and other major manufacturers. Some formulations work well. Many depts. switched in my area to a cheaper brand. The current supplier advises that from delivery to effect is from 3-7 seconds. It effects my breathing but VERY LITTLE tearing and eye irritation with the current formulation. Alcohol based OC is VASTLY better than the water based being promulgated currently. Aalcohol based is rare to find currently due to its claimed flammability problems.

With that being said, I'd say effectiveness is much less than 50%. As I'm sure you know, in order for anyone in the military or law enforcement to pass they MUST continue on through various exercises after being sprayed. Also, the more one is sprayed the less affect it has on them mentally as they already know they can continue to function.

To those who have never been sprayed through training the first reaction is to curl up in the fetal position and pray someone would put a bullet in the back of their skull.

I've only been sprayed in the military and not really sure if water or alcohol based. I do know it feels like you've just been hit in the face with a flame thrower and your skin is peeling off your skull.

[b4uqzme]

I've only been sprayed in the military and not really sure if water or alcohol based. I do know it feels like you've just been hit in the face with a flame thrower and your skin is peeling off your skull.

cool!

[Bawanna]

All our officers are required to be sprayed and tazed if they carry. I went through it once and definitely know what it feels like. I also accidently sprayed myself with my mom's dog spray. It felt about the same.

During the officer thing we got sprayed, had to fight a guy in the red man suit, fire a pistol from a simunition gun, then unlock a patrol car door and get in.

Getting in the car was the hardest part for me.

Then spent about an hour with my head in a wash tub and a fan blowing in my face.

I'd rather be tazed, the hurt doesn't last near as long.

[happypuppy]

keep in mind that the strength varies a lot. Some departments train with weaker formulas than they carry

The responses to it are physiological. Unless you have some alien physiology it will work. Just depends on concentration and how well you are sprayed.

Citizens have a different need ; To escape and evade. There is no need to engage and control.

The biggest problem with defensive sprays its so easy to contaminate yourself while controlling

Animals have very sensitive nasal systems and it's one of the reasons why bear spray is a lesser concentration
Dogs are hard to hit however


When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. --H.G. Wells

[kenemoore]

I walk a lot, and often encounter less than friendly dogs. I have found that a water pistol filled with house hold ammonia is quite effective against the average neighborhood canine.

[JohnR]

A failure is every instance where the subject was able to continue their previous activity at a level of at least 50%. Meaning if they did anything other than a complete and total cessation of resistance ie. just stopped struggling 100%. If they could continue struggling and fight it is a failure in the minds of the manufacturers and officers. I have NEVER seen anybody sprayed that just quit and gave up any and all resistance, never even once. Personal observation and facts from CapStun and other major manufacturers. Some formulations work well. Many depts. switched in my area to a cheaper brand. The current supplier advises that from delivery to effect is from 3-7 seconds. It effects my breathing but VERY LITTLE tearing and eye irritation with the current formulation. Alcohol based OC is VASTLY better than the water based being promulgated currently. Aalcohol based is rare to find currently due to its claimed flammability problems.
For ordinary citizen use against a two or four legged predator, I would suggest those standards are too high; those are all-or-nothing minimum standards. I don't expect my spray-ee to struggle and fight because I expect to spray them before any fight begins. If a fight has begun, the gun comes out.

[b4uqzme]

A failure is every instance where the subject was able to continue their previous activity at a level of at least 50%. Meaning if they did anything other than a complete and total cessation of resistance ie. just stopped struggling 100%. If they could continue struggling and fight it is a failure in the minds of the manufacturers and officers. I have NEVER seen anybody sprayed that just quit and gave up any and all resistance, never even once. Personal observation and facts from CapStun and other major manufacturers. Some formulations work well. Many depts. switched in my area to a cheaper brand. The current supplier advises that from delivery to effect is from 3-7 seconds. It effects my breathing but VERY LITTLE tearing and eye irritation with the current formulation. Alcohol based OC is VASTLY better than the water based being promulgated currently. Aalcohol based is rare to find currently due to its claimed flammability problems.

Yeah, I think there is a big difference between and officer trying to subdue a criminal hell-bent on resisting arrest vs. an average citizen trying to repel an ornery dog or a purse snatcher. If it can accomplish the latter, I call that successful.

[berettabone]

I am as big an animal lover of all kinds, as they come, but if an animal becomes aggressive and their owners can't control, or train their animal sufficiently, it's going to die. It will maybe be a lesson for other animal owners. If you want to be a pet owner, train and discipline your pet, or it won't come home.

[Longitude Zero]

I walk a lot, and often encounter less than friendly dogs. I have found that a water pistol filled with house hold ammonia is quite effective against the average neighborhood canine.

And much cheaper. My parents carry a small CO2 fire extinguisher. Animals HATE the super cold spray. Another benefit is that it is NOT chemically traceable.

[rwehnau]

I have used the bear spray on charging/aggressive dogs on several occasions with great results. Dogs do not appreciate that product