Kikcked out of concert

[knkali]

I have my thoughts. I will post them after I here from you guys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl4xBZjQodI

Police state?

[jeepster09]

WOW....your papers please. We are all screwed. Does Canada have any openings? Oh wait they aren't much better. We need to find a island :(

[Southerngunner]

Police state absolutely , However it's a Poor choice by the mother in my opinion to take an infant that close to the speakers. Also being a Red Booded Male I like boobs as much as any man and I know it my be her right to breast feed in public but I am old fashioned and I believe that should be done in a more private setting.My Grandson is the lead guitar player in a local band and he likes to play loud, but about a year ago we went to a "Buddy Guy" concert and when we were on the way home He said his teeth hurt and his ears was ringing for the next 12 hours. By the way it was a Great concert.

[knkali]

how far are we gonna go to protect people from themselves? While I agree that taking her baby too close to the speakers and in front where she could get pushed down is not smart, she has a right to bring a child who is as smart as she is into this world and possibly deaf too. Wow just wow. Breast feeding matter? Meh. I think the venue handled it as good as they can IF they are gonna protect people from themselves. Offering her a seat at N/C and or a full refund were good alternatives.

[Southerngunner]

I agree the concert security handled it very well and if she didn't have the baby there they wouldn't have even noticed her. I feel they made a good call to intervene on the childs behalf because obviously the Mother wasn't acting in a responsible manner for the child.

[wyntrout]

Mother of the year... somewhere!

Wynn:rolleyes:

[wyntrout]

These new emoticons suck! There's not much difference between a lot of them and there's just no emotions... all SMILIES!

Wynn:(

[yqtszhj]

I agree the concert security handled it very well and if she didn't have the baby there they wouldn't have even noticed her. I feel they made a good call to intervene on the childs behalf because obviously the Mother wasn't acting in a responsible manner for the child.

I agree.

The concert promoters offered her a reasonable deal I think. If something did happen she could have been the very one to sue everyone because "IT WASN'T HER FAULT."

[b4uqzme]

The smartest one in that video was the infant. Just sayin'.

[yqtszhj]

The smartest one in that video was the infant. Just sayin'.

Exactly.

[muggsy]

The police acted in the best interests of the child. The child's mother was brainless, probably from going to too, many concerts. Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed. She's one of them.

[Longitude Zero]

I agree the concert security handled it very well and if she didn't have the baby there they wouldn't have even noticed her. I feel they made a good call to intervene on the childs behalf because obviously the Mother wasn't acting in a responsible manner for the child.

Agreed.

[Longitude Zero]

The police acted in the best interests of the child. The child's mother was brainless, probably from going to too, many concerts. Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed. She's one of them.

Yuppa.

[DavidS]

The police acted in the best interests of the child. The child's mother was brainless, probably from going to too, many concerts. Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed. She's one of them.
Absolutely.
Police State? I think not. There are a myriad of laws to protect children from abuse, most of them are necessary. This law is just one of them.

[spud]

Seemed like the police was extremely reasonable. I really don't have much sympathy for the "mom".

[b4uqzme]

These new emoticons suck! There's not much difference between a lot of them and there's just no emotions... all SMILIES!

Wynn:(

:001_huh::smash::rain::yo: Go advanced...then click "[More]" and you'll have a lot of choices including most of the old ones.

[wyntrout]

Thanks. I used the old shortcuts and get the new similar looking ones... which aren't very distinct from the basic smilie.

Wynn:)

[knkali]

I think that a lot of our "nannyism" stems from trying to not be on the receiving end of legal action. The mother is a retard--got that. But the venue didn't want to be sued if she and her baby were trampled or if the baby became deaf. I can read it now....'the venue is responsible for my child's hearing loss and they should have stopped me'. Where does it stop? You are feeding your child Mc Donalds 3 times a week---that is child abuse. Or, your child has ADHD and if you do not treat it, you are an unfit parent and should be arrested. It is a slippery slope here. We purport our love of freedom here, but only if that freedom subscribes to our definition. It is time to let go and let freedom have a chance. Yep, people are going to make mistakes and do dumb things--that's life. Lets stop trying to round off all the sharp edges for everyone. It is expensive, ineffective and costs us more than just money. Isnt this mentality the basis for antigunners? Namely, someone else knows what is best for you and I? Can we expect more signs now at concerts? No guns, no humans under X years, wear hearing protection, be careful this area is known for trampling, alcohol causes birth defects, don't drink if you are under 21 and the signage goes on and on and the venue has to pay for these early warnings or risk fines from the State and from legal actions from the lawyers who check to make sure the signs are posted and on and on and on. Maybe we should have State officials with decimeters registering the sound levels at all concerts to protect our ears. Maybe we should have mandatory ear protection available for patrons that feel the need for such. I'll say it again, we want to be controlled and told what to do because we cannot nor tolerate self governing. This is yet another example of why, according to a recent poll, many Americans feels they have less freedoms in this country today.

[berettabone]

A friend of mine(he's old like me) went to the Motley Crue concert the other night..................he was telling me how there was a woman there with three kids............two were in the 4-5 yr. old range, and a baby that couldn't have been more than a year, give or take. I said to him, that she should have been arrested for stupidity................he then told me that they ALL had shooters muffs on. No breast feeding.:hippie:

[cohoskip]

Dang! I wanted to see that video, but it has been removed...:-(

[muggsy]

I think that a lot of our "nannyism" stems from trying to not be on the receiving end of legal action. The mother is a retard--got that. But the venue didn't want to be sued if she and her baby were trampled or if the baby became deaf. I can read it now....'the venue is responsible for my child's hearing loss and they should have stopped me'. Where does it stop? You are feeding your child Mc Donalds 3 times a week---that is child abuse. Or, your child has ADHD and if you do not treat it, you are an unfit parent and should be arrested. It is a slippery slope here. We purport our love of freedom here, but only if that freedom subscribes to our definition. It is time to let go and let freedom have a chance. Yep, people are going to make mistakes and do dumb things--that's life. Lets stop trying to round off all the sharp edges for everyone. It is expensive, ineffective and costs us more than just money. Isnt this mentality the basis for antigunners? Namely, someone else knows what is best for you and I? Can we expect more signs now at concerts? No guns, no humans under X years, wear hearing protection, be careful this area is known for trampling, alcohol causes birth defects, don't drink if you are under 21 and the signage goes on and on and the venue has to pay for these early warnings or risk fines from the State and from legal actions from the lawyers who check to make sure the signs are posted and on and on and on. Maybe we should have State officials with decimeters registering the sound levels at all concerts to protect our ears. Maybe we should have mandatory ear protection available for patrons that feel the need for such. I'll say it again, we want to be controlled and told what to do because we cannot nor tolerate self governing. This is yet another example of why, according to a recent poll, many Americans feels they have less freedoms in this country today.

With freedom comes responsibility. No responsibility, no freedom.

[b4uqzme]

I think that a lot of our "nannyism" stems from trying to not be on the receiving end of legal action. The mother is a retard--got that. But the venue didn't want to be sued if she and her baby were trampled or if the baby became deaf. I can read it now....'the venue is responsible for my child's hearing loss and they should have stopped me'. Where does it stop? You are feeding your child Mc Donalds 3 times a week---that is child abuse. Or, your child has ADHD and if you do not treat it, you are an unfit parent and should be arrested. It is a slippery slope here. We purport our love of freedom here, but only if that freedom subscribes to our definition. It is time to let go and let freedom have a chance. Yep, people are going to make mistakes and do dumb things--that's life. Lets stop trying to round off all the sharp edges for everyone. It is expensive, ineffective and costs us more than just money. Isnt this mentality the basis for antigunners? Namely, someone else knows what is best for you and I? Can we expect more signs now at concerts? No guns, no humans under X years, wear hearing protection, be careful this area is known for trampling, alcohol causes birth defects, don't drink if you are under 21 and the signage goes on and on and the venue has to pay for these early warnings or risk fines from the State and from legal actions from the lawyers who check to make sure the signs are posted and on and on and on. Maybe we should have State officials with decimeters registering the sound levels at all concerts to protect our ears. Maybe we should have mandatory ear protection available for patrons that feel the need for such. I'll say it again, we want to be controlled and told what to do because we cannot nor tolerate self governing. This is yet another example of why, according to a recent poll, many Americans feels they have less freedoms in this country today.

Real close Knkali. Thanks. I am a loud advocate for allowing people the freedom to be as stupid as they want to be AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE. That's where the breast-feeding-chickie goes afoul. Her stupidity puts the infant in harms way.

Should the venue/security step in? Well that, I agree, is a slipper slope. But they also have the freedom to do things we disagree with too. It's their venue. They can disallow or allow anyone they want. I think we get off track sometimes and think that just because we bought a ticket, we can do whatever we like and the ticket seller has no rights. Did they overstep? Yeah. But what are the consequences? An upset mother vs. a hurt infant. The security guy tried to handle this respectfully.

Is this nannyism? Close but not really. They are just asking her to move to a safer area. Kinda like only keeping your gun pointed down range or being required to wear your ears and eyes... Those errors could get you kicked out of many firing ranges. Everyone has the right to keep things safe.

My only recommendation: try to look at both sides, don't get blinded by your politics, think of who benefits and who gets hurt, think of the big picture.

[Longitude Zero]

I am a loud advocate for allowing people the freedom to be as stupid as they want to be AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE. That's where the breast-feeding-chickie goes afoul. Her stupidity puts the infant in harms way.


Agreed.

[knkali]

Real close Knkali. Thanks. I am a loud advocate for allowing people the freedom to be as stupid as they want to be AS LONG AS THEY DON'T HARM ANYONE ELSE. That's where the breast-feeding-chickie goes afoul. Her stupidity puts the infant in harms way.

Should the venue/security step in? Well that, I agree, is a slipper slope. But they also have the freedom to do things we disagree with too. It's their venue. They can disallow or allow anyone they want. I think we get off track sometimes and think that just because we bought a ticket, we can do whatever we like and the ticket seller has no rights. Did they overstep? Yeah. But what are the consequences? An upset mother vs. a hurt infant. The security guy tried to handle this respectfully.

Is this nannyism? Close but not really. They are just asking her to move to a safer area. Kinda like only keeping your gun pointed down range or being required to wear your ears and eyes... Those errors could get you kicked out of many firing ranges. Everyone has the right to keep things safe.

My only recommendation: try to look at both sides, don't get blinded by your politics, think of who benefits and who gets hurt, think of the big picture.

Good points. Thank you. Unfortunately, when we use the guise of "safety" to justify the daily attack on personal liberties, the/my/our argument becomes instantly marginalized and the perpetuation of the aforementioned quelling of personal liberties will continue. After all, the antigunners use safety to justify their position all the time---"if it saves just one child".
I agree with you, the venue has the right to do what they want--no shirt no shoes no service sort of thing. You are right again IMHO, people feel that if they paid for something that the have to right to do anything. But we must remember that this whole scenario was motivated by the threat of possible litigation for an accident that has not happened. To support my position on this, if you listen carefully, the officer checked with the DA before evoking his orders to the lady. People no longer have to take personal responsibility anymore because they know someone else will do it for them. Caution contents could be hot, Caution contents are under pressure, caution choking hazard, watch your step, slippery when wet, alcohol has been shown to cause birth defects ect ect ect. Muggs has it right--with freedom comes responsibility. It is your freedom and your responsibility.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ correct on all points. It's a very fine line and I'm not sure there are any good answers. It's a tough love kinda thing. Let people pay the consequences of their stupidity and maybe they will start to get smarter. It's just difficult to see an innocent child pay the price for something (a liberty) so totally insignificant as where you sit at a rock concert. Where you draw that fine line is the slippery part of the slope. I see your point. Better no line at all and force people to be accountable for themselves.

Thanks! (I think)