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linksrds
06-15-2010, 12:12 PM
Yesterday I wrote how my CW preofrmed for 135 trouble free rounds. Well, today, I went to the range again and finished up the break-in shooting session.
I fired 50 rds. of Federal FMJ and 15 rds of WW 147 gr. JHP as well as 5 rounds of DRT frangible 85 gr bullets.
The pistol was FLAWLESS in its operation...
I was concerned about the 147gr feeding into the CW but all 15 rds. went very smoothly and shot quite well.
I shot one handed, both right and left and again no problems at all.
Towards the end of the shooting session, I was shooting a mixed magazine. Meaning the first 2 rounds were the 85gr. DRT and the last 5 rounds were the WW 147 gr.......Again, no problems at all.
That is how I plan to carry the pistol, with several frangible rounds up first, followed by heavier rounds.
I am truly impressed with this pistol as well as my P380.
ripley16
06-15-2010, 12:37 PM
That is how I plan to carry the pistol, with several frangible rounds up first, followed by heavier rounds.
If you don't mind, please share your reason(s) for a mixed ammo load? Just curious.
Bawanna
06-15-2010, 12:42 PM
If you don't mind, please share your reason(s) for a mixed ammo load? Just curious.
Hate to be a copycat but I had the same question. I'm happy that I'm not the only one with these questions.
I personally can't think of a single reason to carry frangibles anyplace in the mag but perhaps you've thought of something that I've missed.
We use frangibles often especially on steel targets to avoid richochets and for safety concerns during training, but I don't see a place for them in a carry gun.
linksrds
06-15-2010, 12:59 PM
These are not target range Frangibles, but the rounds by DRT ( Defensive Research Tech )
Please check their website, the ammo is offered by Cheaper Than Dirt.
When i was in lawenforcement, we carried revolvers. ( please no age jokes. ) this was back in the mid 70"s and I carried the then new model 66 S&W.
the first two rounds in the cylinder were 110 gr. soft point, the second two were 125 gr softpoint and the last two were 158 gr. solids.
Rounds 1 &2 were 38 special +P, the balance were 357 mag.
I felt that by the time I got dowm to shooting rounds 5 and 6, and the fight was not over, somebody was hiding behind something and it would require a round to penentrate perhaps a car door or building ect. Fortunately I never had to use my service revolver.
Same theory with the magazine.
jocko
06-15-2010, 01:16 PM
never made any sense to me, but each to his own methods of why, when, and how..
Bawanna
06-15-2010, 01:44 PM
These are not target range Frangibles, but the rounds by DRT ( Defensive Research Tech )
Please check their website, the ammo is offered by Cheaper Than Dirt.
When i was in lawenforcement, we carried revolvers. ( please no age jokes. ) this was back in the mid 70"s and I carried the then new model 66 S&W.
the first two rounds in the cylinder were 110 gr. soft point, the second two were 125 gr softpoint and the last two were 158 gr. solids.
Rounds 1 &2 were 38 special +P, the balance were 357 mag.
I felt that by the time I got dowm to shooting rounds 5 and 6, and the fight was not over, somebody was hiding behind something and it would require a round to penentrate perhaps a car door or building ect. Fortunately I never had to use my service revolver.
Same theory with the magazine.
You'll hear no age jokes from me and the 66 was and is a darn fine revolver. I've been trying to find one lately or a 686 but not the plus 7 shooter, just cause I want one. In a revolver I could almost go along with your theory although I never did. In an auto you have other issues to deal with or in some cases perhaps not. If the auto likes the menu of rounds you intend to use all is ok but to me the gun transitioning from one round to a different round is inviting a failure. From the operators standpoint you need to transition to different recoil, possibly different Point of impact/ sight picture. I could almost entertain good expanding defense rounds in the gun and a mag full of hardball or something else in the second spare mag but I probably wouldn't do that either.
I also have to constantly remind myself that as a civilian, while the bad guy is hiding behind the dumpster or the car door, that's my opportunity to run for the next county and let the current crop of uniforms deal with the bad guy. Doesn't always help but I have to remember my limitations so to speak.
At the end of the day Swat Dude has it nailed, it's up to God to keep Murphy off my back and decide my mode of tranportation and destination.
linksrds
06-15-2010, 02:12 PM
That is a very good point and something to seriously consider....the group that I shot today at 7 yards did put all 7 rounds, 9 mixed magazine in a 1 1/2" group...The 147 gr bullets did shoot a tad ( 1/4") lower, but at that distance, it did not seem like something that would concern me..
wyntrout
06-15-2010, 10:06 PM
We've come a long ways since the 70's... high-capacity magazines and spray and pray seem to be the thing now. Hose 'em down with two or three 15+ round mags... you're sure to hit something... maybe.
I used to shoot at ranges of 25 yards or more and it was important that all of my ammo be the same weight and velocity... comparable ballistics so point of aim and point of impact were consistent.
I had a Walther PPK/S that liked either the 90 or the 95-grain bullet, but not both, and was right on at 25 yards, so I stuck with that standard weight and round, whether FMJ for targets or JHP for defense. Maybe at 7 yards it doesn't matter much, but will all defense encounters be limited to 7 yards?
Wynn:D
Vincent
06-16-2010, 12:07 AM
The only time I carry mixed rounds is when I am down to a last few until I get more good stuff:eek:;)
I am always surprised when people put down mixed mag loading like it is not reliable or something. My guns like 115 and they like everything up to 147 gr. So why the heck not mix them if it makes you happy?
Actually there is one gun I do carry with a mixed mag. I have a Kel Tec P3AT with the mag extension. There is reasonable doubt as to the effectiveness of .380 hollowpoints penetrating deep enough. A LEO friend of mine who is an instructor told me he loads his with 3 Starfire H.P. and 4 flat point FMJ. I have been doing the same for a year now. The gun functions fine.
Some far, happily, I have not shot anyone to find out how well it works if a gunfight.:rolleyes:;):D
Bawanna
06-16-2010, 12:17 AM
I certainly don't like to put anybody down for anything mixed mags or whatever. It just doesn't work for me. If your shooting 1 1/2" groups out of your mixed mag, and that keeps your dress blowed up, I say good for you. It's all about confidence in what you bring to the situation. If your confident, hold your head up and carry on.
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