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getsome
08-05-2014, 12:11 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/world/asia/afghanistan-attack.html?_r=0

This war is officially lost...We did our best for both the Iraqi army and the Afghan's to give them the best equipment, training and support possible but as we saw with the Iraqi army who took off their uniforms and threw down their weapons at the first sight of ISIS gangs we are now seeing with the Afghan army regulars turning their weapons on the only people who are trying to help them...As soon as we are gone they will all go back to living like cave men under the Taliban so screw them all...

I'm sorry but the Muslim world is impossible to change, they aren't at all interested in Democracy or law and order...Time to bring our troops home and let the Afghan/Taliban all rot in hell where they belong...

CPO15
08-05-2014, 12:37 PM
Iraqi Army.

yqtszhj
08-05-2014, 12:39 PM
There was a report several years ago that said as bad as Sadam Hussein was he was the only thing that could coltrol the waring factions within Iraq and when he was gone the place would fall into chaos. Looks like that was true. As a whole they dont know how or want to live in peace.

knkali
08-05-2014, 01:27 PM
Americans keep thinking that everyone wants what we have (or had). It just isn't true.

muggsy
08-05-2014, 02:37 PM
Americans keep thinking that everyone wants what we have (or had). It just isn't true.

If that's true why are so many of them furiners coming here and why do so few leave? Riddle me that one Knkali.

downtownv
08-05-2014, 02:45 PM
There was a report several years ago that said as bad as Sadam Hussein was he was the only thing that could coltrol the waring factions within Iraq and when he was gone the place would fall into chaos. Looks like that was true. As a whole they dont know how or want to live in peace.
That point was indeed made very early on and proved to be right!

downtownv
08-05-2014, 02:46 PM
If that's true why are so many of them furiners coming here and why do so few leave? Riddle me that one Knkali.
Cause we give away free sh!t!

knkali
08-05-2014, 03:23 PM
Cause we give away free sh!t!

I was gonna say that but another reason is that people that want the American life come here and the rest that are indifferent or intolerant do not. Forcing people to accept our way of doing things is never gonna work. Time we left people alone here and abroad. We don't like it when our G tells us what to do. I don't think that it goes over any better when our G tells non Americans what to do either. Oh yes free sh!t is Free Sh!t though. When our G tells people to take some free Sh1t, all people seem to have no problem doing that.

Bawanna
08-05-2014, 03:36 PM
I agree on leaving people alone over there, but if they don't like the way we do things here, they should stay over there, not convert or do that crap here. Then they deserve to be messed with and I'm just the guy to do it.
Close the borders, no more life time free sh!t, I see where one state is talking about requiring 200 hours a month work for unmarried folks without children in order to receive food stamps and free sh!t. The horrors!

ltxi
08-05-2014, 04:21 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/06/world/asia/afghanistan-attack.html?_r=0

This war is officially lost...We did our best for both the Iraqi army and the Afghan's to give them the best equipment, training and support possible but as we saw with the Iraqi army who took off their uniforms and threw down their weapons at the first sight of ISIS gangs we are now seeing with the Afghan army regulars turning their weapons on the only people who are trying to help them...As soon as we are gone they will all go back to living like cave men under the Taliban so screw them all...

I'm sorry but the Muslim world is impossible to change, they aren't at all interested in Democracy or law and order...Time to bring our troops home and let the Afghan/Taliban all rot in hell where they belong...

Any student, even casual, of middle east history would know this and saw this coming. We went over there and disrupted a not to our liking social stability. Other than attacking the Taliban in retribution for 9/11, we should have left well enough alone. Now we're going to suffer consequences.

As to those attuned to our way of life who wish to escape that culture....I have no problem with them coming here. Our country has long been a refuge for those seeking liberty and freedom from oppression.

knkali
08-05-2014, 04:45 PM
Any student, even casual, of middle east history would know this and saw this coming. We went over there and disrupted a not to our liking social stability. Other than attacking the Taliban in retribution for 9/11, we should have left well enough alone. Now we're going to suffer consequences.

As to those attuned to our way of life who wish to escape that culture....I have no problem with them coming here. Our country has long been a refuge for those seeking liberty and freedom from oppression.

FukknA

SlowBurn
08-05-2014, 04:51 PM
I think we should have bombed both places to rubble and left. No dropping food packs or nation building or other hearts and minds BS. If they come back and threaten us again, either our people or our oil supply, do it again. Eventually they'll stop.

Rob K
08-05-2014, 05:25 PM
Amen brother, you've got the right idea

Bawanna
08-05-2014, 05:31 PM
Could we send their representative in the capital home too. I think that would be a good start.

berettabone
08-05-2014, 05:50 PM
bunker busters........................................... .........................

yqtszhj
08-05-2014, 06:10 PM
If that's true why are so many of them furiners coming here and why do so few leave? Riddle me that one Knkali.

Some of them come here and are very successful. I knew some Iranian christians who came here fleeing persecution, integrated into society, and became very successful. Of course that left one less smart family in Iran.

Then we do have those that come here and set off pressure cookers at Boston.:mad:

yqtszhj
08-05-2014, 06:14 PM
Could we send their representative in the capital home too. I think that would be a good start.
I second the motion!

CPTKILLER
08-05-2014, 06:22 PM
Sadly this seems to be a US Political Tradition. The US Military essentially wins the war. We work hard to train the host country's military. We equip them with state of the art weapons. We leave and the locals run at the first sign of a dedicated enemy.

This started in South Vietnam and seems to occur over and over. I was an infantry company in Vietnam. What a waste of American lives.

downtownv
08-05-2014, 07:58 PM
Sadly this seems to be a US Political Tradition. The US Military essentially wins the war. We work hard to train the host country's military. We equip them with state of the art weapons. We leave and the locals run at the first sign of a dedicated enemy.

This started in South Vietnam and seems to occur over and over. I was an infantry company in Vietnam. What a waste of American lives.

I agree!
You know those signs"Last one to leave please turnoff the lights?"
How out "nuke 'em on the way out"

leftysixty
08-05-2014, 10:52 PM
What Bawanna said in both of his posts!!!!!!!

marshal kane
08-06-2014, 09:05 AM
Cause we give away free sh!t!
You got it Bro! It's peaceful here compared to other countries and the government buys their votes with free s__t! WTH is government going to do when it's down to its last working citizen? We are headed quickly towards a world of hurts!

downtownv
08-06-2014, 12:02 PM
You got it Bro! It's peaceful here compared to other countries and the government buys their votes with free s__t! WTH is government going to do when it's down to its last working citizen? We are headed quickly towards a world of hurts!

Totally agree!

muggsy
08-06-2014, 08:26 PM
I was gonna say that but another reason is that people that want the American life come here and the rest that are indifferent or intolerant do not. Forcing people to accept our way of doing things is never gonna work. Time we left people alone here and abroad. We don't like it when our G tells us what to do. I don't think that it goes over any better when our G tells non Americans what to do either. Oh yes free sh!t is Free Sh!t though. When our G tells people to take some free Sh1t, all people seem to have no problem doing that.

It isn't that we can't force them to accept our way of life. It's just that we haven't forced them hard enough.

DavidS
08-06-2014, 08:49 PM
It isn't that we can't force them to accept our way of life. It's just that we haven't forced them hard enough.
Joking, right?