CW45 broken trigger mechanism: Why no free return shipping?

[tony k]

I had one of the CW45s with the short frame rail issue which required a frame replacement. In dealing with that issue, Kahr paid for the shipping to and from the factory.

Now the trigger bar is broken. The tab at the rear of the trigger bar which contacts and actuates the cocking cam broke off. Yes, it's a bummer but stuff happens. Things break when you use them. I called Kahr monday morning and they gave me an RA#. I asked about shipping, and the rep said Kahr only covers return shipping. Sure enough, nothing in the Kahr warranty statement says anything about free shipping.

My question is: why would Kahr cover shipping for one warranty related issue but not another? When the frame was bad, I dealt with the guy with the non-American accent (Ian?). This time with the trigger problem I spoke with a different guy. Is it just the prerogative of the rep? Should I have pushed the issue since shipping is not cheap?

I just don't understand the inconsistent service. Anyone have insight?

[AFDoc]

Every trip on mine has been covered both ways. Three on the CW45 before the short frame rails were fixed. You should call again and ask what's up.

[Bawanna]

I agree it should be covered especially if you just had the frame replaced.

The short rail was a manufacturing defect, one that they recognized and decided they would fix. The right thing to do.

I'd call again and make sure they understand you just got a new frame and be clear. If all else fails I'd have your local dealer ship it for you since they can ship it cheaper than an individual.

[CJB]

Liability. Any defect that leaves the firearm operable but perhaps unsafe....they jump on return shipping. If the firearm is unoperable... no liability? Just sayin. I dont think they would cover cosmetics... bad serrations say... with free shipping either.

[Grizwold]

Did not cover return shipping for mine. (short rail issue) Did, however, throw in some extras-another magazine, polished the barrel, trigger, slide stop and eject button. In their defense, maybe if I had made more of an issue of it prior to shipping it would have been different. BTW--runs perfectly now.

[marcinstl]

if you got shipping for sending your CW45 in for a new frame to correct the Kahr problem of selling defectively made guns(the to short front rails, which should be a recall but isn't)-- you got lucky and talked to somebody at Kahr who didn't know the program. should have remembered the name and try to get lucky twice.
your lgs/ffl can ship via the USPS for cheaper than you taking it to FedEx or UPS. you can pull the trigger like Jerry Miculek? should we call you "machineguntony"?
good luck, get it fixed, good shooting. (why can't Kahr just send you a trigger bar to replace the broken one? hell, just buy one, watch the videos and put the new bar in the gun).

[TheLastDaze]

Yeah I'd call again, I would assume they let their CS handle it and maybe they get kudo's for making the customer eat shipping?? Again its solely up to the person on the other end and as Bawanna said its a trigger related problem which in turn is part of the frame they sent you...Unless they took out the internals and swapped them, even then its their baby...

[2tango2]

I really like my Kahrs but the whole idea of their return shipping policy sucks for lack of a better term

Part of the appeal of the CW series is the great pricing. Having to add 50 to 70 dollars to ship it back (if you can't get a FFL to do it for you) because of a factory defect is asinine.

Not to mention they KNOW about all the issues with that run of the CW45s and leave it up to the owner to find out their firearm is defective

I sampled 4 CW45s at an LGS and they all failed the Greg test


Again I really like Kahrs as long as you never need any warranty work done ever

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[marcinstl]

one time I owned some stock in a restaurant chain, Steak&Shake (midwest burger joint like a Culver's). I was reading the message board for that stock and somebody got on there and complained about the service and condition of one of the stores. within hours a regional manager had read the thread and the store was being fixed. the original poster got a big book of free coupons. all was well. as a stockholder I was impressed with that company.
do you think any of the folks:) at Kahr read kahrtalk.com or give a crap about the company or customers. what did they do before they got the job at Kahr, write sub-prime mortgages?
just for grins I went over to Glocktalk.com and asked about warranty and service. after they all got done laughing, they politely explained it's lifetime, all the time and no bs. guess the folks at Glock belive that "perfection" thing. geez, you even hear good things about Hi-Point service.

[DavidR]

My 6 week old CW380 has intermittent return to battery failures. I asked for a prepaid label and Kahr sent it promptly.

[2tango2]

My 6 week old CW380 has intermittent return to battery failures. I asked for a prepaid label and Kahr sent it promptly.
You must have called on the lucky prepaid label day [emoji12]

[BucketBack]

You must have called on the lucky prepaid label day [emoji12]

I know it's a different company but,when dealing with my many Taurus issues I would keep calling CS until I got the answer I wanted.
Sometimes it was the first call,most times it was the second or third or even fifth time.

[2tango2]

Smith, Sig, SA, Ruger....not so much as peep of "maybe" we will send a label.....they almost were over the top apologetic and embarrassed

[DavidR]

You must have called on the lucky prepaid label day [emoji12]

I spoke with Gino. Evidently he's one of the gunsmiths but he answered the phone twice when I called. He even called me back to make sure I got the label.

[gb6491]

Smith, Sig, SA, Ruger....not so much as peep of "maybe" we will send a label.....they almost were over the top apologetic and embarrassed
That's not always the case with Ruger as I had to have my local shop ship a Bearcat back when they wouldn't issue a return label.
S&W charges return shipping if they determine it's not a warranty issue. As far as their lifetime guarantee goes, I had a Model 36 that they said the couldn't repair (warranty issue), their solution was to offer me a discount on a new Model 36.
Still, S&W and Ruger are pretty good. SA CS is top shelf. The same can be said for USFA, RIA, and DB (at least in my experience dealing with them).
I do wish Kahr was more consistent with their return label policy. At the very least, they might offer the customer a label at their cost or send a label then, if it's not a warranty issue, recoup the cost. I'd also like to see them automate the process: customer fills out an online form, CS reviews it, then contacts the customer (email or phone) with disposition instructions.
Regards,
Greg

[marcinstl]

OK, we have to figure out who to talk to, to get the pre-paid mailer label. if your dealing with Kahr service, please get a name. we can post the name(s) of the good guys to do business with. I got a new CW45 frame, is my trigger bar going to break?

[yqtszhj]

That's not always the case with Ruger as I had to have my local shop ship a Bearcat back when they wouldn't issue a return label.
S&W charges return shipping if they determine it's not a warranty issue. As far as their lifetime guarantee goes, I had a Model 36 that they said the couldn't repair (warranty issue), their solution was to offer me a discount on a new Model 36.
Still, S&W and Ruger are pretty good. SA CS is top shelf. The same can be said for USFA, RIA, and DB (at least in my experience dealing with them).
I do wish Kahr was more consistent with their return label policy. At the very least, they might offer the customer a label at their cost or send a label then, if it's not a warranty issue, recoup the cost. I'd also like to see them automate the process: customer fills out an online form, CS reviews it, then contacts the customer (email or phone) with disposition instructions.
Regards,
Greg

Gregs got the process down. Someone give that man a job.

[CJB]

I've dealt with Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Colt, SigArms, Browning, Kahr and Remington on warranty issues.

#1 Best of the best - Ruger. I wont list all the gory details, but they cover their stuff, not always with prepaid label but they cover their stuff.

S & W blows. Colt blows worse. Sig was sort of hot and cold. Kahr covered me well, but I only dealt with them one time. It was perfect though. The others were multiple occasions.... so I feel like I can offer a better perspective on those. Remington was good to me too, one occasion. I needed a part under warranty - they sent it free, and I asked for another part as a spare, they sent that free too .."just because".

Here's the thing. There is policy, there is procedure, and there is personality when dealing with companies. We can only hope to change personality - the other two are set in stone. Pays to be nice to folks, not waste their time and to be honest and to meet them half way when there is some doubt. That goes for arms, cars, appliances.... you name it.

[TheLastDaze]

just for grins I went over to Glocktalk.com and asked about warranty and service. after they all got done laughing, they politely explained it's lifetime, all the time and no bs. guess the folks at Glock belive that "perfection" thing. geez, you even hear good things about Hi-Point service.

yes we do.... in fact I've owned Glocks for years and years now and none have ever needed service and have thousands of rounds down range, I don't even count how many to be honest.... they just work

[2tango2]

Ruger has been tops in my book. Recently returned a SR1911 Commander due to play in the lock up. They were outstanding in taking care of it. Shipping both ways and new barrel and grip safety all within 7 days door to door

[bryan45beck]

You guys say short frame rails. Can I get some pics of what your talking about an the difference

[gb6491]

You guys say short frame rails. Can I get some pics of what your talking about an the difference
Info's here: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?23100-CW45-owners
Regards,
Greg

[bryan45beck]

Greg I posted here over a cw 45 i have can u view the post an give me some possible leades

[gb6491]

Greg I posted here over a cw 45 i have can u view the post an give me some possible leades
Here's the issue:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?23100-CW45-owners&p=298493#post298493
A check:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?23100-CW45-owners&p=306004#post306004

We seen this on guns with different serial number prefixes. I'm not sure how wide spread it is.

Regards,
Greg

[bryan45beck]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/08/31/a1926dad23ec6c5285d0324bb3ae04b3.jpg

My slide Greg

[gb6491]

My slide Greg
Just left a reply in your earlier thread:)
Here's some of it:
It's hard to tell from the photo, but the "notch in your slide looks a little rough. There's some info on it here: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.p...5876#post15876 (http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?1612-CW45-%28and-other-poly-45%29-issues-and-fixes&p=15876#post15876)
Regards,
Greg

[bryan45beck]

OK is this a easy fix on my end father n law has a dremmel. Or will eventually hurt something or just wear down an I'll have to buy new spring an guide rod.

[bryan45beck]

Please bare with me as well as I'm new to the forums an this Tapatalk thing

[gb6491]

It's an easy fix and I haven't had any issues related to it post fix.
Regards,
Greg

[bryan45beck]

Greg your a great help thanks

[tony k]

Sorry I've been absent on my own thread. Time flies.

I decided to send it through the FFL. Cost just under $20. Total turn around time was about three weeks, but between hunting and other stuff I didn't have a chance to take it out until yesterday.

I put 120 rounds through it yesterday. 100 were reloads. Xtreme plated 230gr RN bullets over 6.0 grains of unique and an OAL of 1.24. Mixed brass, some of which has been reloaded and fired so many times you can barely read the headstamp. I had two that failed to chamber. Firm tap of the magazine baseplate caused the round to chamber and fire. Not sure what caused the hangups, but top suspects are the scuzzy brass, magazine issues, or possibly my recoil spring is getting old. I also ran 20 rounds of hornady 185 grain "zombie" ammo through it without a hitch.

Regarding the trigger bar, I couldn't notice a difference, which is exactly what I wanted.

I'm satisfied with the repair and its performance yesterday. Next i'm gonna put 100 rounds of either hornady critical defense or critical duty through it. If it passes this "SD ammo test," I'll put it in the CC rotation with my super reliable CM9.