PM9 Frame Rail broke

[CharlieR]

Well....it broke. Just emailed Kahr. I wondered why the pistol didn't seem as accurate today at the range....when I took it apart to clean it, this is what I saw:

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Sad in Cincinnati.

Charlie

[RRP]

That will, indeed, require a frame replacement. Kahr will take good care of you.

[JERRY]

let us know how much they charge you and what the turn around time is. I wonder if they can repair that or if they have to replace the entire frame (new SN#) shipped to an FFL...

[REDHORSE]

Ouch. Please keep us updated on the repair process.

[AnthonyC]

Wow. Did that happen during firing, racking or what? Is that something Kahr will cover?

[CharlieR]

Happened at the range. Didn't notice anything other than that the pistol was not nearly as accurate, that is until I went to clean it.....then I saw it.

[TheLastDaze]

Cost you??? Shouldnt cost you a dime, when I took apart my pm9 for initial cleaning I was blown away how under engineered these mickey mouse parts are to begin with.. If they charge you a dime, please by all means let us know...let everyone know for that matter !!!

I'm far from an engineer and Kahr as a manufacturer knows much better than I so I simply refuse to question their design, however upon first seeing them first thing that popped in my mind was (shouldn't these be made from thicker stock? )

anyhow DO KEEP us UPDATED ... PLEASE !!!

[jocko]

no way to repair that frame, It is junk. Kahr willissue him a new frame with new serial # which will require it being sentto a FFL dealer. I would think they should stand behind this 100%, although I would not tell them it was a used gun..

[jocko]

OKJ engineer. I have been on here since day one, I have not seen but less than 5 of these broken front rails. It happens. Those rails actually do not carry the brunt of the slide recoil in thefirst place. The rear frame rails carry almost all of it, and I have yet to see one of them ever break. Those front rails are guides for the front of the slide.. front of the slide, Sure they do carry some brunt of the force but these rails are good the way they are. More than likely there are over a couple hundred thousand of these kahrs out there with this embedded front rail. Kahr will take care of this fella. What are the Mickey Mouse parts ur referring to in the gun, if u can telllus that??

[jocko]

CHARLIE R PM sent.

[AH.74]

Looks like a good chunk is missing from the other one as well. Hope Kahr takes care of you- they should.

[TheLastDaze]

What are the Mickey Mouse parts ur referring to in the gun, if u can telllus that??
I was only talking about the front slide rails, they appear a weak link of the gun,just real thin IMO... would have to find a well balance on the rockwell scale as if its RC is to hard its destine to fail.. again ive never built a gun nor do I claim to know much Im just pointing out a potential weekness, Im really suprised more havent failed as its obvious theres not a lot of force there only a guide as you said

[jocko]

no problem, just pointing out that kahr did its homework on that rail It is not a week area IMO. It could be an inch thick in that area but if the metal had a flaw sh!t will happen.... Ruger made a 9m that was all polymer rails, no steel at all and I can't remember hearing any issues from that gun either. Its not made anymore though but it did work as designed...

[cohoskip]

I can't believe Jocko typed that...;)

[jocko]

I dick-tated, the wife typed it. Frame this as it won't happen again. Just sayin

[leftysixty]

Maybe he's using a "Dragon Speak" program :2rolleyes:

[CharlieR]

Kahr Support was very nice on the phone....it's on its way back to Kahr on FedEx (on their dime :-) ). The guy said it will likely need a new frame. I'll let ya know what happens.

[marshal kane]

Sorry to see that happen to you. Believe the slide guide is made of SS and that is quality material. Were you able to recover the missing part? Did you examine the frame guide slot at the front of your slide? Any damage due to the broken part?

[CPTKILLER]

That is why I have a MK9.

[CharlieR]

Sorry to see that happen to you. Believe the slide guide is made of SS and that is quality material. Were you able to recover the missing part? Did you examine the frame guide slot at the front of your slide? Any damage due to the broken part?


No, I didn't notice it was broken til I got home from the range. It is probably downrange somewhere.

[CharlieR]

Well, THAT was FAST ! Didn't get an email from them as to the status of the repair, but my gun just showed up at my FFL this morning with a new frame, and a new barrel (and new serial number). Have to go pick it up and see how she shoots now. Hope it's as good as before it broke.

Charlie

[JERRY]

that's great! warranty work shipping both ways paid by them, warranty work paid by them, turn around time reasonable. I hope this one does better than the first. keep us posted.

[CJB]

I was blown away how under engineered these mickey mouse parts are to begin with..

I'm far from an engineer and Kahr as a manufacturer knows much better than I so I simply refuse to question their design, however upon first seeing them first thing that popped in my mind was (shouldn't these be made from thicker stock? )


Actually, I think if you look at what Justin and Kahr have done, I think its a rather elegant design, well executed at that.

We see few frame issues. Very few.

From strictly the stress standpoint, the rear section of the front rails probably takes the most on recoil, while going into battery whould put the greatest stress someplace into the middle to front of the rails. If the slide was moving forward and the barrel wanted to cam up... but couldn't quite do so, that would put some upward stress on the side's front.

What it amounts to is not stress, or slamming, or misengineering. It amounts to "the part broke". I had one go on a PM45, not quite the same, but it got all chewed up. Maybe the spacing was bad to begin with. Maybe it warped in the co-molding process. Maybe maybe. Whatever.

It broke, Kahr fixed it. And they did it well, and timely too!

[CharlieR]

I picked it up, and I am a pleased customer ! They sure like to put a lot of oil on guns don't they? New frame and I'm on my way ! Hope it doesn't happen again, but they really responded quickly to fix it. Now, if I can just figure out what's up with the trijicons on my new P380, I'll be all set....ha ha.