New MagGuts +1 mag addition for Kahr 380 pistols

[MarkB1]

MagGuts is now offering a mag modification for the CW and P 380 pistols that adds 1 extra round in both the 6 and 7 round magazines that uses the stock mag sleeve without increasing the length of the mag.

http://magguts.com/shop/kahr-380

[addictedhealer]

Why not the cw/p9!!

[gun papa]

Anyone have a review? The Kahr P380 model youtube video has no responses.

[rkenaston]

I hope this is available for the 9mm models soon...more importantly, I hope it works flawlessly. I'm also eager to read/see some reviews on this 380 version. Thanks for the heads up.

[MarkB1]

Anyone have a review? The Kahr P380 model youtube video has no responses.

Try the video again. It worked for me. It's the third one down.

http://magguts.com/supportinstructions

Here is the same video on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

[TheTman]

I'm not sure, I'd trust that setup, you have that connector piece that looks like it could get hung up in a dirty mag or on something that got in there from your pocket or mag pouch. I'm not sure that having doubts about my mag feeding, is worth having one extra round. I'd rather carry a spare mag that I trusted. I suppose if I could get a couple hundred rounds through it, without a failure, and without cleaning it and lubing it, after it had sat in my night stand loaded for a few months, then I'd trust it. But I can see why you'd want that extra round for a .380. Heck I'd want an extra round for my .45. I'm weird, I carry a Boberg pistol, and not worried about it malfunctioning, and that is way more complicated than that mag spring setup is. But I know that thousands of hours of engineering and testing went into the Boberg. I imagine they must have tested that spring gizmo out pretty well, or they wouldn't be selling it and risking lawsuits.

[gun papa]

I find the extra round appealing. One of us is going to have to buy one and take the hit. I almost did tonight. I may tomorrow.

[gun papa]

Okay, I bought one. We shall see. I will do as complete a review I can when it arrives.

[SmokyT]

I have installed two in my 6 rounder mags and done the initial function test by hand-cycling the slide to feed and eject my carry ammo (i.e., Speer GD). They both seem to function all right so far. I will range test them to see if they work as well as the ones for Ruger LCP that I have been using without a problem...

[erichard]

I'm pleased to report I put 4 magazines of Hydra Shock through my CW-380 and all fed. I used 2 different magazines that had been upgraded with MagGuts (total of ~28 rounds) . Would've shot more but I'm out of range ammo. For now Hydra Shock is my carry round, so I wanted to check it out anyhow. Although I had a few failures to go into full battery early on, after polishing the chamber, lubing and cleaning the gun, the battery failures disappeared, so I don't fault the MagGuts for that.

The follower they give you is a pretty flat surface for the bullet and has a continuous slope upward, so it effectively gives you a slingshot modified follower of sorts. Point is, I think this helps avoid nosediving for bullets not having round noses, so this should help with Hydra Shock, WWB, and maybe the new Lehigh XP's. I plan to order some XP ammo sometime soon to try out. A bit expensive to experiment with those, but the Hydra Shocks have bolstered my confidence that the XP's might work with the MagGuts. We shall see.

I plan to put up a progress report for my new CW-380 sometime this month, maybe after I get some more range ammo to verify it is all OK, since I've changed some things.

Really like the gun despite having to fine tune it on several fronts.

[SlowBurn]

I'm pleased to report I put 4 magazines of Hydra Shock through my CW-380 and all fed. ... Although I had a few failures to go into full battery early on, after polishing the chamber, lubing and cleaning the gun, the battery failures disappeared, so I don't fault the MagGuts for that.

The follower they give you is a pretty flat surface for the bullet and has a continuous slope upward, so it effectively gives you a slingshot modified follower of sorts.

Did the CW380 lock open when empty? I've learned the follower in Kahr stock mags is important to the lock-open function.

[erichard]

Did the CW380 lock open when empty? I've learned the follower in Kahr stock mags is important to the lock-open function.

It did lock open, but to be honest, I did replace the magazine with a loaded one while one was in the chamber most of the time. Wasn't thinking about that at the time. However, it did lock open every time when dry cycling till empty the night before, so I'm reasonably confident that function is OK. I can try it out again tomorrow for you to be sure.

[gb6491]

I had MagGuts in my LCP magazines for a while. They worked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQsO32tpGL8) great initially, but I began to have some feed issues. Rounds would pop up vertically on occasion and the springs collapsed inside one another (the cup that goes between the springs dislodged). I just decided it wasn't worth it for me, YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

[TheLastDaze]

Lehigh XP's. I plan to order some XP ammo sometime soon to try out. A bit expensive to experiment with those,

no experiment, they work fine in mine and another member here...

[TheLastDaze]

wow I just checked out the price.....

I think I'll pass, you can pick up a spare factory mag for $24....

[erichard]

I had MagGuts in my LCP magazines for a while. They worked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQsO32tpGL8) great initially, but I began to have some feed issues. Rounds would pop up vertically on occasion and the springs collapsed inside one another (the cup that goes between the springs dislodged). I just decided it wasn't worth it for me, YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

They apparently changed the follower a year ago or so. Not sure if that would change your issues or not, but thought you might like to know. I think the change mainly helped the slide lock back on the last round for some guns. Before I bought, I looked around the web for bad feedback on the MagGuts and didn't find too much, which made me more confident to buy. Of course, as you say, YMMV, especially with guns, as we see here in the P380/CW380 forum all the time.

LastDaze, I hope those XP's work with the MagGuts too. Did you do Greg's slingshot mod on your followers? I'm curious if that mod helps out the XP's. Should, but need evidence before believing. I corresponded with the company, and the only 380 they didn't recommend for use with XP's was our Kahr P380 due to nosediving, especially on the first round. The Kahr they used was 2nd hand, so who knows whether it was a problematic old P380 or what. Ya never know if you're getting someone else's problems when you buy used.

As for the expense, I carry the CW380 with an extra magazine in a Recluse Plus holster, so between the two magazines, I now have 15 rounds in my pocket and could go to 16 rounds if I used the extended magazine in the gun. That's a lot of rounds to comfortably hide in your back pocket, thanks partially to the MagGuts system, and if you combine the Lehigh XP 14-17 inch penetration and 1" by 9" initial wound channel, you have quite a lot of fire power, even relative to a Glock 19. As long as it remains reliable, I think it's worth it because I don't need more magazines as this won't be my primary range gun, but rather a primary concealed carry gun (so I need more rounds per magazine instead, in other words).

[gun papa]

Shipping was quick. Assembly was easy. 40 rds fired. Very pleased.

Dumb gun papa video review enclosed. Hope you like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfY2I8yH5Ik&feature=youtu.be

[Pointblank]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.

[gb6491]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.
I may not be interpreting your "...and now you want to make it bigger" comment correctly, but FWIW the MagGuts product does not increase the physical dimensions of the pistol or the magazine.
Regards,
Greg

[TheLastDaze]

@erichard.... my gun is stock from factory, nothing but a good cleaning has went into it... Though I only fired 3 Lehigh's I know they cycled well by hand, I used the slide release per manufacturer.... however I did rack it a bunch of times through the 250 I shot everytime I racked it never had a problem...

I've completely detail striped and cleaned it up, It will be interesting to see how she performs next time at the range.. I had a few initial problems and feel confident will go away..

I bought my extra mags at CTD..

[erichard]

So you buy a gun whose main selling point is it's size and now you want to make it bigger? I don't get it. Just buy a bigger pistol.

Not sure if this is addressed to me or not, but everything I mentioned in the last post fits into a holster the size of a wallet, in my back pocket. Can't do that with Glock 19. To me, anything bigger or more conspicuous would deter me from carrying, which is why I don't go 9mm. I considered the Diamondback 9mm which is very small, but it's too unreliable by reputation. Just not interested in IWB carry.

[gun papa]

The conversion does NOT increase the size of the gun. The changes occur internal to the original space of the magazine.

[erichard]

It did lock open, but to be honest, I did replace the magazine with a loaded one while one was in the chamber most of the time. Wasn't thinking about that at the time. However, it did lock open every time when dry cycling till empty the night before, so I'm reasonably confident that function is OK. I can try it out again tomorrow for you to be sure.

FYI, tried it again today to test out slide lock back, and the slide did indeed lock back, no problemo.

Need to get more range ammo to put it through the paces a bit more fully.

[addictedhealer]

Thanks for the review, this is exciting. Might have to check them out when they release one for the P/CW. 8+1 sure does sound nice!

Also the bigger gun comment makes zero sense. Let's think before we post next time.

[SlowBurn]

FYI, tried it again today to test out slide lock back, and the slide did indeed lock back, no problemo.

Need to get more range ammo to put it through the paces a bit more fully.

Very encouraging. Now I'm tempted. Thanks for "taking the plunge" and the reports.

[SmokyT]

I had MagGuts in my LCP magazines for a while. They worked (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQsO32tpGL8) great initially, but I began to have some feed issues. Rounds would pop up vertically on occasion and the springs collapsed inside one another (the cup that goes between the springs dislodged). I just decided it wasn't worth it for me, YMMV.
Regards,
Greg

Obviously the biggest concern people have with the Magguts system is its reliability, which seems to be hit-and-miss depending on the particular pistol, particular magazine tube in which it is installed and the particular Magguts system you receive from the company... My personal experience with two original gen.1 Magguts systems for the LPC has been great. After over a year and several hundred rounds of various defensive ammo, they have not failed on me thus far. So I have relatively high hopes for these two I just got for my P380. (Crossing my fingers.)

[gun papa]

The Mag Guts conversion reliably locked my CW slide back, which was not the case with the original mag internals. This means the flaw is with Kahr's magazine followers.

[SmokyT]

OK., I've shot a little over 100 rounds (including a box of Speer GD, Barnes XPD, and Hornady CD) to test the two Magguts I bought. Prior to the range test, I lightly polished all sharp corners and edges of the Magguts followers and cups with #600 wet/dry sandpaper, cleaned all internal parts and the two mag tubes before re-assembling them. I then pre-tested both magazines by hand-cycling the gun with live ammo to make sure that they function as they should.


During the range test, I did not experience any magazine related problem or issue. Both of my factory 6-rounder magazines fitted with the Magguts system worked reliably. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I will continue to monitor these magazines with additional live fire tests, but at least at this point, I have confidence in these particular Magguts in my particular magazines to work with my particular P380.


This is not related to the Mgguts, but I also tested the new (stiffer) inner recoil spring I bought from Kahr recently. The new inner spring turned out just too strong for some ammo to cycle the gun reliably. In my case, it caused every round of Barnes XPD to stovepipe until I switched back to the original inner recoil spring that came with gun. (I have never experienced a stovepipe with any ammo with the original (weaker) inner spring that came with the gun.) Speer GD, Hornady CD and other ball ammo all cycled the gun fine with the stiffer inner spring.

[SmokyT]

So far I've shot a little over 460 rounds to test the two new Magguts 7 rounder conversion systems for the original 6 rounder magazines. AT this point, I have not experience any magazine related problem with either one of them. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I am now pretty comfortable using these Magguts as part of my CCW system with the P380.

[ReManG]

So far I've shot a little over 460 rounds to test the two new Magguts 7 rounder conversion systems for the original 6 rounder magazines. AT this point, I have not experience any magazine related problem with either one of them. The slide also stayed open after the last shots. I am now pretty comfortable using these Magguts as part of my CCW system with the P380.

WOW, thanks for this update, that is a fair bit of shooting. I really like that you went over both the MagGuts and the magazine bodies to check them out and polish them prior to assembly, this no doubt helps... I am going to have to consider one or two sets of these...

[SmokyT]

I just put another 115 rounds through my P380 using the two factory 6 rounder mags with the Magguts conversion. Of those rounds, 15 were Speer GD that I actually carry, 50 were Blazer Brass 95gr FMJ and the other 50 were American Eagle 95gr FMJ. Once again, there was no magazine related issue whatsoever. This makes a total of 575 successful rounds fired to test the reliability of the two new Magguts systems I installed three weeks ago.

I also want to point out that since the time I installed the two Magguts, my two magazines were (and still are) constantly loaded to the full capacity with Speer GD at home. At this point, no significant reduction in spring tension has been detected when loading and unloading cartridges in the two magazines.

[XD40SC]

Excellent report! Great to see stats rather than just " they work fine" so others can make an informed opinion on these. When I first got my P380, putting 575 rounds downrange without a malfunction would've thrilled me, no matter what mags/springs I was using. I've had it running flawlessly for over 2 years and being my EDC, an extra couple of rounds at my disposal is very inviting. I look forward to subsequent reports.

[TheLastDaze]

thanks for the report... I maybe starting to warm up to the idea, but man the price is still a little high for me justifying buying these at the price of a new mag...

[wyntrout]

Thanks for the posts. I might consider the new CT380 with upgraded mags for my wife. I hope the recoil spring design is like the CW/P models... one spring instead of the compound/captured ones used on the CM/PM's. She still has to be able to rack the slide.

The CT380 looks interesting, especially with the Magguts conversion. That's an expensive 1-round addition, though!

Wynn:)

[SmokyT]

Yeah, they are not cheap, but the extra 1 round you get may one day make a "life-or-death" difference when you least expect... So I want to carry 7+1 rounds with my P380 (and LCP) in my pocket. (The longer factory 7 rounder mags do not work for front pocket carry that I prefer.) The Magguts system allows me to achieve this goal with the level of reliability acceptable to me.

So far I'm happy with these particular Magguts I have been using in my P380 (and LCP) magazines. I'll continue to report the results of my longitudinal test here.

[SmokyT]

I shot additional 81 rounds of Speer GD through my P380 using the two factory 6 rounder mags with the Magguts 7 round conversion. Both magazines functioned as they should, and I did not experience any magazine related issue. This makes a total of 656 successful rounds that my Magguts fitted magazines have fed the gun.

As always, those two magazines had been fully loaded continuously for 7 weeks since my last range session in early October. (They have been fully loaded for over 11 weeks since I put the conversion kits in them in September.) I did not notice any decrease in spring tension in either one of them.

So far they have been working to my satisfaction. I will continue to report my test results here.

[gb6491]

Excellent follow up report SmokyT :)
Regards,
Greg

[josp]

I've been looking into these things for a couple weeks but based on SmokyT's evaluation I think I'm getting a couple. Thanks for all your work.

[CPTKILLER]

I shared this.

[Bikehiker]

Anybody know when Mag Guts mags will be back in stock? They've been out of stock for a few weeks.

[SmokyT]

I didn't take out my .380 pistols for a long time, but today I shot 30 rounds of Speer GD through my P380 using the two factory 6 rounder mags with the Magguts 7 round conversion. That is, two sets of "7rds x 2 mags + 1rd in chamber". This makes a total of 686 successful rounds that my two Magguts fitted magazines have fed my P380 since September 2014.

Both magazines functioned flawlessly for all 30 rounds. I normally use the slide stop to chamber the top round off these magazines as per the manual, but I can also slingshot the slide to load the gun if I wanted. The slide was held open after the last shots as expected.

As always, those two magazines had been kept fully loaded for the last 15 weeks since my last range session in late November 2014. Actually, both magazines have been fully loaded continuously for over 26 weeks since I first put the conversion kits in them in September 2014. Though I have not taken any precise measurement, I still cannot detect any decrease in spring tension in either one of them while handling them on the range.

I still don't know more serious long term durability of Magguts conversions in terms of years as opposed to weeks and months. But at this point, I'm comfortable enough to continue to use these two magazines as part of my CCW system.

[dsk]

It seems to me the kits are worth it just on account of having a better follower design than OEM. So far with the issues I've had it seems Kahr's followers are the root cause of many of the problems people have with their pistols. I sanded my followers and got them to finally feed the top round, but now the last one often fails to feed.

[Ron AZ]

Based on the successful reports by SmokyT and erichard, I purchased Magguts for one of my P380's for 2 x 6 rd. and 1 x 7 rd. magazines. These were installed in magazines and used for a gun that was already running smoothly, and that I already know which ammo works well. Unlike SmokyT, I did not polish or clean anything. (The mag tubes were already clean.)

I loaded them up about 3 weeks ago and just got to the range today.

I fired 4 mags of 7 + 1 and 2 mags of extended 8 rd. with hollow points (Fiocchi and Precision One both with XTP bullet) with out a single failure. I fired 7 mags of 7+1 with Federal and Magtech FMJ's and 4 mags of extended 8 rd with Federal FMJ's with no problems.

Late in the session with the FMJ's (dirty gun) I had 1 stovepipe while shooting 1 handed with the weak hand ... so I probably limp wrested it. And I had 1 brand of FMJ (Magtech) that I got a 2nd round nose dive in the extended mag. But that brand nosedived the 2nd round in the extended mag BEFORE I installed the Magguts also … so the same result.

So the total was 17 full mags plus a few extra and a total of 141 rounds. Results were great for me. The results (so far) with the extended mag are better than before I installed the Magguts. Before installation I infrequently got a 2nd round nosedive with HP's or Federal FMJ's in the extended mag as well, but none yet after installation.

Thanks SmokyT and erichard for sharing your results which encouraged me to try them.

(Someone also asked in another thread if the P380 was a gun you can go to the range and shoot 100+ rds. comfortably. Yes, shot the 141 rds. of .380 at the end of a session shooting maybe 100+ rds. in my .40 cal handguns. No problem … P380 is very fun to shoot!)

[dsk]

I ordered a couple kits as well and will report back once I have them in hand and get a chance to go to the range. Honestly, the OEM mags are one of the suckiest things about Kahr pistols. Not only did I get a lot of nosedives before I sanded the plastic followers, but also the springs themselves weakened from leaving the mags loaded, and they would no longer lock the slide open until I took them out of the mags and stretched them. If I remember correctly I once had issues with a P9 as well, where the top round would pop out of the mags when carrying them as spares. I really wish Mec-Gar or somebody else who actually knows how to make mags would come out with some for the Kahr pistols.

[dsk]

I just received two MagGuts kits today and installed them. Hopefully I'll get a chance to hit the range in the next couple of days, but already I'm impressed. The springs are much stronger than OEM, the slide locks back with authority, the rounds are still easy to load (even the last one), and the split-metal follower looks superior to the OEM plastic ones as well. The fully-loaded magazines lock into place just fine, but there's no extra play so you have to make sure they seat properly by slapping the base afterwards. You also have to pay strict attention to the instructions when installing the kit into the mags, as it's easy to put the dual springs in backwards.

As soon as I have a decent number of rounds sent downrange I'll report back, yay or nay.

[dsk]

120 rounds sent downrange today... verdict on the MagGuts is a definite "Yay!". The Kahr itself had other issues however, so now I'm not as sure that I want to spend money on more kits and mags for this thing.

[dsk]

For those still paying attention, I fired another 100 rounds out of my mags today w/the kits and still no mag-related issues. Yes they're expensive, but they actually improve reliability, at least in my pistol. The extra round is just a plus in my book.

[9mmlover]

I got one but haven't tried it yet. That screw and the little plate look so ugly to me.

[dirtengineer]

For those still paying attention, I fired another 100 rounds out of my mags today w/the kits and still no mag-related issues. Yes they're expensive, but they actually improve reliability, at least in my pistol. The extra round is just a plus in my book.

I'm still paying attention....

[glock2619]

Me too.

[thor363]

I put these into my G42 and am very happy. Same physical size and +1 round. As for the Kahr, I too am in the same boat. Wife loves it so it's apart for a full polish of all mating surfaces. If it's finally becomes fully reliable, I may spring for two kits for wifey. Not really sure if I'd trust the CW380 as the only gun, likely only the backup at best. I admit though, There's not been more than 200 rounds through it yet, so we'll see.

[SlowBurn]

just went to site and noticed shipping is free if you order 2

[Ron AZ]

Update: I got a pair of Magguts for my older P380. This gun functioned perfectly before I installed Magguts, and again with OEM springs after removing the Magguts.

But there was an issue with every magazine load with Magguts, with both HP's and FMJ's. The problem appeared to be the spring is exerting too much pressure on the rounds. Causing the slide to balk. Problems were fail to feed, stovepipes and failure to return battery. I returned them and Steve at Magguts stood behind them and gave me a refund.

This could not be more different than the results in my newer P380 where I continue to use Magguts in 3 magazines successfully and without a hiccup.

Not sure why it was a total success in one gun and failure in the other. I just know that these little sharp feed angle guns can be finicky. And when you've got one running smoothly you don't want to tinker around with success.

[Alfonse]

I shot a couple hundred rounds in a CW380 today with Magguts in the magazines. I had a few malfunctions that I don't think were mag related (FTRB). The gun was new, so I need to try some rounds without the Magguts and check some other things.

But, the followers don't slide very freely in the magazine tubes. One of them wanted to "stick" at the top of the mag, which would not be an issue after loading it.

Anyway, they do hold another round and that is a nice thing. I just did not like them as much as I hoped to.

[anarchy187]

I ran 100 rounds through them today, and they were 100% reliable. With the exception of the Leigh Xtreme Penetrators. (These did not work with my standard mags either.) So it looks like I will keep the xp for my round in the tube :l and keep my xtp rounds for the mag.

[Alfonse]

2 posts earlier, I described the first 200 rounds shot through a new CW380. I went ahead and installed 2 Magguts before shooting any rounds through the pistol. I had about a dozen times that the pistol did not return to battery and I just smacked with the palm of my left hand to get it to go. They happened throughout the entire 200 rounds with both magazines.

I took it out again today. The first time I had PMC round nose and Remington HTTP. It was the same with either. This time I just took 50 rounds of the PMC. It ran perfectly with the Magguts removed.

However, I am not ready to conclude that the Magguts were the issue. I have big hands, and the CW380 is tiny.

Before I shot the first round, I checked my grip, adjusted a bit and made a mental note to hold it very tightly. So, maybe it was me the first 200 rounds. I have never had a similar malfunction with any of my other pistols, but I really haven't shot these little 380s much.

Next time I will shoot with both factory mags and the Magguts and see what I see.

It is a nice shooting little pistol. Kinda tiny though, but I guess that is the whole idea.

[Whaleman]

Got 1 set yesterday and tested with 50 rounds. Had 4 problems with bullet hitting the bottom of the ramp and stopping. Cleaned and put back stock parts for carry. I will mess with it later and see if I can get it to run. Dan

[Ronni3_J]

Been eyeballing these lately.

[zredwire]

I would encourage someone looking at the MagGuts to break in their pistol first. Make sure it is running flawlessly and then convert your mags with MagGuts. That way if there is a problem you will know for sure it is the MagGuts. I put my MagGuts in after 400 rounds. I have now fired 1,436 rounds through my CW380 without a problem from the MagGuts converted magazines. I really like their product.

[Alfonse]

Took the CW380 out today and alternated between Magguts equipped and standard factory magazines. It shot fine either way. Other than the extra round, I couldn't tell the difference, at least until cleaning time. The Magguts are slightly more trouble to take apart and clean, but only slightly.

The lack of returning to battery I had with the pistol at first probably had nothing to do with Magguts. It runs great now, even when I hold it not so tightly.

[b4uqzme]

... It runs great now...

Funny how that happens. :D

[erichard]

I would encourage someone looking at the MagGuts to break in their pistol first. Make sure it is running flawlessly and then convert your mags with MagGuts. That way if there is a problem you will know for sure it is the MagGuts. I put my MagGuts in after 400 rounds. I have now fired 1,436 rounds through my CW380 without a problem from the MagGuts converted magazines. I really like their product.


I think this is correct. Too many variables and problems in the first 200 rounds to then complicate the issue with Magguts. That said, I do however think that Magguts are unlikely to be the issue if one is experiencing problems, just based on their track record. Perhaps on the top 1 or 2 rounds of the magazine the Magguts locks them in more tightly, which may magnify feeds issues you already have, like nosedives, etc. for those top two rounds. I did find that the top two rounds are the problem ones with or without Magguts initially, so maybe hold off on Magguts till the gun is working 99%.

[SlowBurn]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore. Worth it for the extra round in the flush mag.

[Alfonse]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore.

There are just more pieces that need to get put in the right place is I think most of the additional work. Getting the bottom plate off isn't an issue once a proper thing to push the retainer down with is identified. I don't know how many times I would have to assemble them before I would be sure I had it right without a diagram.

[Bobshouse]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

[Alfonse]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

They are working fine in 2 magazines for me. I don't think they improve the feeding, but they don't make it worse. The followers are not anti-tilt but seem to work as well as the standard Kahr follower. I like having the extra round and it is worth the extra bit of complexity for me. I haven't been leaving them loaded since I don't carry my CW380 much, so I am not a good indicator of mag spring life. I have put a few rounds through them though, probably 400 through each magazine (I have 2 with Magguts).

[dsk]

Hey guys and gals, howabout a couple more updates on the Magguts? I've been checking out the Maggut site lately and noticed there is no feedback on that youtube video after almost 3800 views and thought that strange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtBLWcbsWKE

They are kinda expensive for only one more round, but when needed, that one extra trigger pull beats a mag change.

I put them in two mags and the FTF issues I had disappeared. I now have them in all five of my mags, including an extended mag which gives me 8+1. Yes they are expensive, but I switched over to them exclusively simply because I lost confidence in the OEM Kahr follower design.

[SlowBurn]

Update- have them in 2 mags for several months now with no issues other than disassembling and reassembling to clean is more of a chore. Worth it for the extra round in the flush mag.

Mine are still working fine. 0 issues

[Shoop]

My CW380 feeds better with the Mag Guts, no question. Slingshotting the first round is easy and flat nose ammo runs where it wouldn't before.

[dsk]

With the unmodified Kahr mags, besides their crappy followers I also learned that the springs don't last worth a damn. I left one mag loaded for a month, and after I used it the slide would no longer lock back when empty, not even when working the pistol by hand. The mag spring had collapsed a noticeable amount versus the other mags I have. As a test I loaded my second one and left it that way for a month, and when I tried it I had the exact same problem and was left with just one mag that still locked the slide open. I've left the MagGuts-converted mags loaded for a couple months at a time and they're still working properly.

[Bobshouse]

Seems like the magguts along with Lakeline's redesigned striker makes the firearm really reliable. I find that I can also hand rack the slide now with no jambs or miss feeds. Fired about 50 rounds through the two that I purchased. Really happy with my p380 now, a really small firearm with 8 round capability, nice!

[XCO]

Here's my experience with magguts. My P380 had been running fine for a while now - occasional RTB issue, but few and far between. Figured I'd try a magguts to up the count in the mag. Once I put it in, I experienced one totally jammed up gun nose dive, consistent FTRB, and light strikes. I figured I must have done something wrong, but did check the alignment of the springs and spacers multiple times before installing it. I contacted magguts and sent them pictures of how I had put it together and they said it was correct. They sent me a new one, got it yesterday but haven't had a chance to shoot with it yet. It does look and fit the same.

Went to the range Sunday, old magguts in gun. What was very consistent was that when there was one round left in the mag, the chambered round would be a light strike - every time. If I dropped the mag when I had a light strike, the remaining round would be pushed a little forward in the mag, not flush against the back of the mag - but, I think this is normal. The spring set in the magguts is very tight and I think that the pressure of the magguts spring with the last round being a little out of the mag is making it rub against the round stripper and push the slide up a bit causing the striker not to go back far enough to fully compress the striker spring, thus the light strike.

Anyone else had this problem since installing magguts? I'll be trying the new magguts this weekend but not holding out much hope.

First time out I was using strictly Sig ammo. This past Sunday, I shot Sig, Federal, Blazer, and Remington just to rule out ammo. All had same issue.

Oh, and I've read about the Lakeland striker and light strikes - how does that help - it doesn't look like the striker ever drags on the round (does it?).

[dsk]

I've got nothing but MagGuts kits in my mags now, and they eliminated the feeding issues I sometimes had. I still get the occasional light strike, even with the new Lakeline striker, but it only happens once the gun starts getting dirty so I suspect a tight chamber. Every time I've gone to the range my pistol has run perfectly for the first 50 rounds, but not afterwards. I guess as long as I don't shoot any more than that in a gunfight I'm okay.

[Alfonse]

Oh, and I've read about the Lakeland striker and light strikes - how does that help - it doesn't look like the striker ever drags on the round (does it?).

The striker doesn't drag on the round. In some pistols, the "foot" of the striker (the part that hangs down into the slide) can contact the round below the round in the chamber when it is fired. That pushes the round forward in the mag and takes some energy from the striker.

[SmokyT]

XCO
As Alfonse mentioned, that is not really a magazine issue, but Kahr's striker foot is hitting the the rim of the last/top round in the magazine when the striker is released, which prevents the firing pin from hitting the rimer of the round in the chamber with a sufficient force. The issue you are experiencing has been discussed in this thread: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?26256-CW380-misfire-click-no-bang-issue/page6http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?26256-CW380-misfire-click-no-bang-issue/page6

As I stated in that thread, I have fixed this problem wth my P380 (and PM9) by lightly filing the striker foot, so it will not contact the rim of the last/top round in the magazine. I have not had any FTFire/light strike since then with Magguts coversions or stock magazines.

[topgun1953]

XCO
As Alfonse mentioned, that is not really a magazine issue, but Kahr's striker foot is hitting the the rim of the last/top round in the magazine when the striker is released, which prevents the firing pin from hitting the rimer of the round in the chamber with a sufficient force. The issue you are experiencing has been discussed in this thread: http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/15882/more-glock-42-problems-reported/


As I stated in that thread, I have fixed this problem wth my P380 (and PM9) by lightly filing the striker foot, so it will not contact the rim of the last/top round in the magazine. I have not had any FTFire/light strike since then with Magguts coversions or stock magazines.

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

[SmokyT]

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

Here is the correct link: http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?26256-CW380-misfire-click-no-bang-issue/page6http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?26256-CW380-misfire-click-no-bang-issue/page6

[dsk]

The link brings me to a story about the Glock 42.

Yeah the G42 has its own sets of problems as well. I think gun designers all had their hands full trying to develop little itty-bitty .380 pistols for the CCW market. I'm not aware of a single one where there aren't people complaining about problems.

[XCO]

Well, I didn't give up on the mag guts on my P380. They send me a second one to try and it had the exact same problem. Light strike with one round in mag - every single time.

So, I ordered the Lakeline striker. Got it last Friday and put it in. Not too bad, I used the put the slide in a plastic bag technique before pulling the back plate off method to not loose anything. Apparently, I didn't need to even do that step. After taking the back plate off I had to pull and push all of the parts out. The striker channel and extractor channel were pretty full of black gunk and thick like honey. Took time to clean it all out and got both areas free of any gunk. The new striker fit as it should, and I re-installed the ejector. No lube on any of it, except some very, very light gun butter where the ejector rod presses against the ejector.

Put the mag guts back in and went to the range. Fired off 100 rounds of Lawman, not one single issue at all. Tried 7 in magazine, 3, 4, 5 in mag - tried every variation - had wife try it, couldn't make it fail anymore. Looks like this is a good combination.

However, I do notice even with the Lakeline striker, it does still push the last round in the magazine forward a little. Doesn't seem to affect the function, but it does still hit it. Tested by putting an empty shell casing in the magazine and dry firing, drop the mag, shell has moved forward in the mag.

Maybe, it was just the gunk slowing the striker down enough, combined with the drag of the striker on the next round that caused the light strike. Just can't understand why it was only when one round was in the mag and never any time else??

Happy now!

-Ken

[foytfoyt]

Hello, Everyone.

Just to add to the collective experience, I have the 7 to 8 Magguts in my P380. It works great, with no issues, with my particular sample. I plan to buy more.

On the other hand, Fiocchi ammo has a greater than 50% failure rate, with the slide failing to go fully into battery. The case diameter seems to be too large at the bullet, with even a slight bell mouth at the opening. My P380 will also not feed Win. white box FMJ, likely due to the flat nose, which gets stuck on the feed ramp.

With the Magguts and Sig hollow points, Blazer Brass FMJ, or LAX reloads, the pistol is very reliable, with close to zero malfunctions.

[SaltyNC]

It's been awhile since I've been on KahrTalk, but decided to drop by to see if there were any new products or any known problems with my 380. I've already ordered Alfonso's Lakeline striker as preventative maintenance, and went ahead and got the stainless guide rod while at it. These Magguts look really interesting. Have they replaced the screw in the lock plate, or are they still using that? If still using the screw, you ought to help them out Alfonso and design a proper lock plate. :)

Hope all of you guys are doing well. Sad to see Muggsy has passed, and was hoping to see lots of acidic posts from ol' Jocko, but I guess he's taking some time off.

Salty

[Alfonse]

I'm working on 380s now. I'm looking to see if I can do a more robust recoil spring setup, and have prototypes coming in for new magazine follower/spring combo for it. I think I can improve feeding beyond the Magguts approach, have a more robust spring than the Kahr and maybe get the extra round to boot. I should know over the next several weeks.

Oh, and I'll probably do a charging handle like the one that is being produced for the 9mm if folks like the 9mm one.

[SaltyNC]

I'm working on 380s now. I'm looking to see if I can do a more robust recoil spring setup, and have prototypes coming in for new magazine follower/spring combo for it. I think I can improve feeding beyond the Magguts approach, have a more robust spring than the Kahr and maybe get the extra round to boot. I should know over the next several weeks.

Oh, and I'll probably do a charging handle like the one that is being produced for the 9mm if folks like the 9mm one.

That would be awesome if you could do all that and get the extra round. Thanks for the reply.

Salty

[notorious_kahr]

I personally don't have a need for the extra round, but a new follower for the 380 Kahr pistols would be nice!

[SaltyNC]

Isn't that like saying you don't need any more sex? :p

Salty

[notorious_kahr]

Indeed.

Any updates?

[Alfonse]

Yeah, I got a version in aluminum to function really well as far as round retainage and feeding. It didn't tilt, kept the bullet end of the rounds up and even has a better spring than the factory setup (it used P3AT or LCP springs).

But, I couldn't get all that, and the extra round in there. By the time I whittled it down enough to get the extra round in there, the "anti tilt" part of it didn't work well anymore. It still might be better than stock, but is basically the functionality of the Magguts parts. It is less complicated than their version though.

So, I have some brain cells working on it, but it isn't front burner right now.

[steelpastor]

Yeah, I got a version in aluminum to function really well as far as round retainage and feeding. It didn't tilt, kept the bullet end of the rounds up and even has a better spring than the factory setup (it used P3AT or LCP springs).

But, I couldn't get all that, and the extra round in there. By the time I whittled it down enough to get the extra round in there, the "anti tilt" part of it didn't work well anymore. It still might be better than stock, but is basically the functionality of the Magguts parts. It is less complicated than their version though.

So, I have some brain cells working on it, but it isn't front burner right now.

Alfonse... VERY interested in your work! Something to give an extra round of 9mm in my PM9 would be amazing. What about the ZeeSpring approach that MagGuts uses for the Glock 43? For the PM9 or the P380?

Thank you for your hard work.

.

[Alfonse]

Alfonse... VERY interested in your work! Something to give an extra round of 9mm in my PM9 would be amazing. What about the ZeeSpring approach that MagGuts uses for the Glock 43? For the PM9 or the P380?

Thank you for your hard work.

.

The spring isn't the issue with as far as I've gotten. To keep more pressure on the bullet end of the round, I have been using the follower in a configuration that limits the tilt of the follower in the magazine tube. By the time I do that and get the angles of the feed where I want them, there isn't room for an extra round. I can easily get something that holds the extra round, but it really isn't an improvement over the Magguts except it is less complex in that it assembles and disassembles like a standard follower/spring arrangement.

[P380BUG]

Mine came with MagGuts in the 7rnd mag and were crap. Could hardly get 6 in let alone 7 and would not Cycle at all.

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[topgun1953]

At times after reassembly, I had trouble getting the extra round in. I took it apart and found I had one of the parts in backwards. Fixing it cured the problem.

[P380BUG]

I thought so also and downloaded the instructions and found all was ok, but does not work.
Went to factory "soft" mag springs.

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[lostnwilderness]

Mine works like a boss. PIA getting the spring in correctly the 1st time but outside of that, zero issues.

[gqllc007]

Mine has been flawless as well

[wb4tjh]

I have the Magguts inserts in two magazines for my CT380 and they work flawlessly. Now with one in the chamber I have a 9 round pocket gun and it is very comforting.

[Armybrat]

I may try that with mine.

[wb4tjh]

I have MagGuts inserts in both of my CT380 magazines and now with one in the chamber, I have a nine shot pocket .380. The gun and both converted mags have been 100% flawless since the first shot. I'm very happy.