A Kahr CW380?

[linksrds]

I own both a CW9 and a P380 and both are excellent weapons. But I was wondering if anyone has heard if Kahr plans on offering a CW380 version in the near furture ?

I truly believe that if Kahr was able to offer the .380 in a CW style pistol, and they kept the price point right, it would dominate the market and leave the competition in the dust.

Has anyone heard of this happening soon?:confused:

[jocko]

just don't think that is gonna happen. coursemy opinion is sometimes is worth about 2 cents..

[Bawanna]

just don't think that is gonna happen. coursemy opinion is sometimes is worth about 2 cents..

Due to inflation. I know, I know, scenting. My Bad.

[jfrey]

If they made the PM9 in a CW form and a CW380 they would dominate the whole market. The only problem I can see is that they would have to enlarge their production and sometimes QC suffers for a while after that. It's still a good idea. Wonder if anyone at Kahr is listening?

[at_liberty]

I own both a CW9 and a P380 and both are excellent weapons. But I was wondering if anyone has heard if Kahr plans on offering a CW380 version in the near furture ?

I truly believe that if Kahr was able to offer the .380 in a CW style pistol, and they kept the price point right, it would dominate the market and leave the competition in the dust.

Has anyone heard of this happening soon?:confused:

I am not sure what you are thinking in terms of a CW version. Based on existing models, that means a 3.6" barrel and no edge beveling or dovetailing for sight options...a cruder, cheaper pistol. That would also mean a barrel with conventional rifling, although I understand that Kahr has not been completely consistent about that, sometimes using a supposedly higher grade barrel than specified (polygonal).

The .380 is not seriously considered a carry caliber. It is a backup, pocket, or bug gun. One is ill-advised to think of it as an everyday primary carry, a holster gun, likely well outgunned by any serious perpetrator and usually not carrying very many rounds. I attribute its popularity to younger people refusing to dress for concealment of a real weapon and at least one magazine.

I think it is better for Kahr not to get too involved in cheapening their pistols and losing a quality image. If they have a backlog, they should stick to what they do best and neglect the interest of those who want something cheap, only to often later spend a lot upgrading it, as if cheap guns are just a platform for compulsive customizing.

[recoilguy]

The CW series is not cheapening the guns they have made in a CW line. It is making a less expensive gun minus some detail. The quality image has not suffered because of it yet. Some people prefer the beveled edges double lined engraving and the dovetailed sights. Some really cant afford it but still want a fine weapon. If that were not the case the CW series would not be so successful. I truly believe it is an addition to the Kahr pistol line and creates new marketshare, not cannablising what they already have.

I think it is a legitimate question, and would be a very successful gun if ever produced. The .380 has been around for a long time, I never contiplated that the success could be due to lazy dressers. Hmmmmm........maybe. It is pretty hard to customize a Poly framed gun, I don't see the purchase of a CW as a platform to customize. I would say in the case of Kahrs more people who own the really expensive versions are the ones who compulsively customize. Which isn't wrong either.

RCG

[at_liberty]

The CW series is not cheapening the guns they have made in a CW line. What is the real difference other than semantics? There is demand for a lower price, obviously, and there is no free lunch. Some value has to be taken away.


It is making a less expensive gun minus some detail. semantics


The quality image has not suffered because of it yet. that is your opinion. If the field grade CW is or becomes what people think of when the Kahr name comes up, I think that would be unfortunate.


Some people prefer the beveled edges double lined engraving and the dovetailed sights. Yes, we buy the nicer gun when we can or when we regard it as more than a CW "beater".


Some really cant afford it but still want a fine weapon. If that were not the case the CW series would not be so successful. I sell a product available in various grades, and the lowest price is always the best seller. What is actually recommended is something nicer, but that low price always serves as bait and makes it too easy to buy before one is financially ready.


I truly believe it is an addition to the Kahr pistol line and creates new marketshare, not cannablising what they already have.

I think the issue is whether it detracts. Is a Kahr a beater or a deluxe pistol? How is it generally regarded? Does market share matter when you are backlogged on nicer models?


I think it is a legitimate question, and would be a very successful gun if ever produced.

We can only assume what the original poster meant. I posed some question attempting to clarify whether we were talking about appearance and type of barrel or the longer barelled CW type design we know now, a bigger .380.


The .380 has been around for a long time, I never contiplated that the success could be due to lazy dressers. Hmmmmm........maybe. It is pretty hard to customize a Poly framed gun, I don't see the purchase of a CW as a platform to customizeI would say in the case of Kahrs more people who own the really expensive versions are the ones who compulsively customize. Which isn't wrong either..
RCG

Most of that talk is of a bevel job and a cut for a custom front sight.

[Bawanna]

"I sell a product available in various grades, and the lowest price is always the best seller. What is actually recommended is something nicer, but that low price always serves as bait and makes it too easy to buy before one is financially ready."

I think this statement is true in almost all things EXCEPT defense type guns. For the person with limited funds with a genuine need or even a percepted need of a defensive guns, they quite often have to settle for something less than what they really would like. An economy model of a quality gun would be a good thing. I'd much rather see the good guy or little ole lady on a fixed income with a economy model Kahr (if it works for them, ya know hand strength etc) than a Keltec or Sigma or other genuine inferior cheap POS that was basically designed just for that market.
For all you Keltec and Sigma fans, remember the to each his own theory.
I do not really see the need for an economy model Kahr 380 however as I believe you mentioned its not really even a caliber to me and I'd want my grandma (if I still had one) to have something better than that.
For all you 380 fans, see above.
I think manufacturers should consider a senior citizen discount or other perhaps low income qualified discount. Would be kind of hard to implement, might be putting guns in the hands of low lifes I fear, not to imply low income is low life but they do seem to run together. We dont find too many Kahrs on bad guys and even the stolen guns recovered are usually the low end of the scale types.

[recoilguy]

Wow excellent job of disecting the post...........you have mad computer skills too.

RCG

[OldLincoln]

I'm still in the learning phase so please tell me what is beveled on the PM9 vs the CW9?

[Bawanna]

Darned if I can figure out how that's done. There's times it would be cool to break things down neatly like that but gosh darn I can't finger it out. I got the cut and paste thing, and can add a picture if I'm lucky enough that's its' the right size.
Probably look silly if I requested a department computer class just so I could communicate better with my Kahrtalk pals. Or NOT.

[recoilguy]

I'm still in the learning phase so please tell me what is beveled on the PM9 vs the CW9?

http://www.kahr.com/imgs/img_cwvsp9.gif


See the top of the slides to answer your question on the difference between the gun for those who prefer the finer things and the Kahr ghetto gun.

[linksrds]

When I posted about a CW 380, I said that I currently own a P380 and a CW 9. What i actually ws asking if Kahr had considered making the .380 in a style similiar to all the other CW series.

The beveld edge and the polymer front and rear sight. Also not having a target grade barrel on the .380 which is typically used at 5 feet or less.

I think that if Kahr were to offer the same quality of a CW9 or Cw 40 or CW 45 in the same format ( size and weight ) of the current P380, they would dominate the market.

[at_liberty]

Wow excellent job of disecting the post...........you have mad computer skills too.

RCG

In order to break up a quote and comment on segments, one must insert some code, which is not shown when the reply is later displayed. To break a quote at a given point, so a comment's context will be precise, enter





to create a break. Type your comment in between the two bracketed words (quote and /quote). I like to also enter a line break before and after my comment so it isn't all a blur while I type and review.

To attribute a quote or portion, perhaps to more than one person with multiple quote breaks, one must enter



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[wyntrout]

You can just cut and paste like with a word processor... or quote the whole post and delete what you don't want between the bracketed "quotes".... Just more options. Keyboard shortcuts and mouse control are like with Microsoft Word, except you need to use some of the tools at the top of the Message window. There aren't as many options as Word.
Wynn:)

[recoilguy]

When I posted about a CW 380, I said that I currently own a P380 and a CW 9. What i actually ws asking if Kahr had considered making the .380 in a style similiar to all the other CW series.

The beveld edge and the polymer front and rear sight. Also not having a target grade barrel on the .380 which is typically used at 5 feet or less.

I think that if Kahr were to offer the same quality of a CW9 or Cw 40 or CW 45 in the same format ( size and weight ) of the current P380, they would dominate the market.


I think you are correct. The CW series is a very good addition to the Kahr line not a detraction nor an indictment to their commitment to quality or the production of fine firearms. Their corporate statement saying they make it to bring the people at that price point to Kahr has proven to be very successful. Here is the VP of kahrs take on the beater gun series

Kahr used its ever popular P9 pistol as a template to produce a pistol that is a full 20% cheaper without sacrificing its celebrated performance. According to Frank Harris, Kahr Arms Vice President of Sales and Marketing, "This is an entry level gun. Our plan is to broaden our market share and reach out to a different consumer base. Instead of buying a Ruger or Taurus we'll now put a Kahr pistol within their reach." While the new CW9 may be a "no frills" Kahr, it certainly doesn't seem to be lacking anything.

RCG

[Bawanna]

Exactly. And I wouldn't ever consider them beater guns. Actually the outward appearance gives them their own style. And for what you lose for the amount you save, they are a great bargain.
And now with several aftermarket companies coming up with sights and stuff they are even better. Rather than trade off and get the PM or whatever, you can upgrade what you have as you go along. Another good option.

[Bawanna]

In order to break up a quote and comment on segments, one must insert some code, which is not shown when the reply is later displayed. To break a quote at a given point, so a comment's context will be precise, enter




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To attribute a quote or portion, perhaps to more than one person with multiple quote breaks, one must enter




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It is the backslash that indicates "end quote". You will see this code anytime you are composing a reply to a quote.[/QUOTE]

I'm studying this but I think it's still over my head. Trying to figure out how you just get part of the posters message. You quote the whole messge, then put quotes on just the parts you want. I gotta play with this some. The cut and paste thing and then adding " marks" works. Just cut and paste, then make your comment, then cut and paste again. End up with the same deal, just not nearly as professional looking as you do. I'm not given up, I'll add this to the list of challenges to conquer. """""""

[getsome]

The PM series pistols are more cosmetically finished than the CW guns...and to some look nicer....I see the CW series as being like a Chevy Tahoe and the PM guns being the Cadillac Escalade....Both are pretty much the same trucks and either one will get the job done but are marketed to different types of people....I really don't understand the need for the P380 pistol due to the cost factor...You can buy 2 Ruger LCP's for the price of 1 P380 and still have a perfectly good little shooter...Like has been said before, a .380 pistol is a BUG at best and doesn't need all the bling, bells and whistles like a primary carry gun....A pocket .380 pistols main use it to stick in a bad guy's face and pull the trigger, thats all its really good for IMHO....

[rglbegl]

I'm studying this but I think it's still over my head. Trying to figure out how you just get part of the posters message. it is easy, just go inside the other persons quote to write what you want
You quote the whole messge, then put quotes on just the parts you want. I gotta play with this some. then just surround what you want to say starting with ([/quote]) and ending with (
) which start their quote again [quote] The cut and paste thing and then adding " marks" works. Just cut and paste, then make your comment, then cut and paste again. the cut and paiste method works too, but is not as cool
End up with the same deal, just not nearly as professional looking as you do. I'm not given up, I'll add this to the list of challenges to conquer. """""""


And as for a CW380 . .
I am one of those folks who bought the CW series for its price.
It gave me the Kahr reliability with a reasonable price. I got the gun, the extra mag, and the holster (kholster IWB) all for under $500.
That left plenty of money for me to go buy tons of ammo to practice.

So I can see how the OP thinks a CW380 style gun would be a good addition to the Kahr line up.

[Bawanna]

()The PM series pistols are more cosmetically finished than the CW guns...and to some look nicer..(
) ([/ I agree])..()I see the CW series as being like a Chevy Tahoe and the PM guns being the Cadillac Escalade....Both are pretty much the same trucks and either one will get the job done.([/guote]). 9[/quote]) ([/quote]) Right again([/quote])

I'm making progress but this is a headache causer for sure, and I seemed to mess up towards the end. Advil, coffee and a nap and I'll get back to ya.
I guess you really can teach old sheep dog tricks.

[recoilguy]

Nice attempt Bawanna45cal, I am not even going to show my limited grasp of computers with an attempt.

You are an adventurous type.

PS I do not think the CW is a beater gun either

RCG

[rglbegl]

Copy this;
[/quote][quote]


Now type what you want to say in the middle

I notice my () confused you
You have to leave that out. But if I left them out, it would have wuoted something, confusing you even farther

[Bawanna]

I am the poster child for confused but this post did give me food for thought if this gosh darn headache ever goes away. I can copy and paste them quote marks instead of typing it all out each time and like you say, just type my drivel in between.
When I first became a derelict the state wanted to retrain me to be an asset to society, told em why change now never was an asset before. Anyhow they wanted to teach me to be a computer programmer!
I told them I'd rather suck out septic tanks with a straw, who are you people.
Course they also told me there was no place for me in law enforcement so I signed the waiver releasing them and got a job 10 minutes from home in Law enforcement on my own. Imagine that, How did that happen!
Thanks rglbegl for the lesson. I'm gonna keep trying till I get it. Every little bit helps.

[Bawanna]

I am the poster child for confused but this post did give me food for thought if this gosh darn headache ever goes away. Testing advil headache medicine


When I first became a derelict the state wanted to retrain me to be an asset to society, told em why change now never was an asset before. I was alot of things but seldom an asset.

Anyhow they wanted to teach me to be a computer programmer! Good luck with that.


I told them I'd rather suck out septic tanks with a straw, who are you people.Seek counciling, call Dr Phil, your a sick person.[quote]

Well sweet Mary and Joseph, look what this simple minded Missouri dirt farmer did. I'm the smartest man alive, throw the straw away, there's room for mwaah in this computer dependent world yet, (Maybe).
Thanks rglbegl, taught me more in 10 minutes than the state did in 2 years. I feel genuinely not stupid. Still got a headache though!!!!!

[getsome]

Good job ole boy, now you're dangerous...:D

[Bawanna]

Good job ole boy, now you're dangerous...:D[/quote]Just flaunting and using my newfound powers, mostly so I don't forget. I think I should apply for a gold star or perhaps a merit badge or something. Boy am I gonna look dumb if this don't work.[quote]

[rglbegl]

you dont need to add the [/] and [] if you are simply replying to a previous poster. It is only used for multi-quoting

Wait till we teach him how to do pics and parse links

[Bawanna]

Easy, easy, your making me confused again. More advil. I gotcha on the not having to do that quote magician stuff. I was just practicing so hopefully I wouldn't forget before I want to do it again.
Sure hope all this knowlege don't go to my head and make me think I'm somebody or something. Usually that only happens when alcohol is a higher percentage than blood in my system. I rarely go there any more, wake up feeling poorly enough without self inducing it, but I use to really be somebody back in my youth on occassion.

[Bawanna]

you dont need to add the [/] and [] if you are simply replying to a previous poster. It is only used for multi-quoting

Wait till we teach him how to do pics and parse links

I can do pics?????? And I think I had parse links with dinner last night.
You think I just fell off a beaver dam or something?

[rglbegl]

But can you make it full size?

http://kahrtalk.com/attachments/p-cw-series-pistols/1750d1277243641-kahr-cw380-beaver_looking_camera.jpg

[Bawanna]

Now thats a freakn beaver! But you got me. In fact I was gonna send a Beagle picture instead of a Beave picture but it was the wrong size the the cyber watch dogs said they couldn't fix it. I figured if they couldn't do it I probably wouldn't have much success my self.
You even took my picture and messed with it and made it big. Your good.
I've been trying to figure out how to put a picture with a PM on here, is there a chapter on that or does that have to do with Parse Links? Bearing in mind that I'm in knowlege intake overload right now.
We get Wynn in here double teaming me and my head will likely explode. Nice job on the big beaver, my hats off to you.:yo:

[rglbegl]

is for images
just right click the picture and open in new window or open in new tab and you will get this;
KahrTalk Forums (http://kahrtalk.com/attachments/p-cw-series-pistols/1750d1277243641-kahr-cw380-beaver_looking_camera.jpg)

Now if you click on that link, you will get to see the picture in full size.
Now take the link and;
copy and paiste the whole link (address bar) here

and it will be blown up to full size

try it with this pic

[Bawanna]

http://kahrtalk.com/attachments/p-cw-series-pistols/1751d1277245601-kahr-cw380-beagle.jpg

I think I missed something but that's my dog! Odie come, Odie get of cyber space and come home now. I don't think we're in Kansas anymore.
I'll try again.

[Bawanna]

http://kahrtalk.com/attachments/p-cw-series-pistols/1750d1277243641-kahr-cw380-beaver_looking_camera.jpg

Heck yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
We should create a how to do this thread we've kind of hijacked the CW 380 deal just to smarten me up with mixed success.

[rglbegl]

Good call

http://kahrtalk.com/general-discussion/2512-june-useless-thread.html#post27211

[getsome]

Nice beaver...... Thanks I just had it stuffed...:p