Buyer's remorse, inevitable course of events.....

[CJB]

Our ever popular mystery shopper, Joe Shlabotnick has himself a new pistol. He went to a gun store, and selected it from the many on display....or....maybe he got the feel of them at the counter, and weaseled online to get one shipped in from an online discount dealer. Either way, he has accepted the pistol, signed the papers, forked over his cash and is a proud so-and-so. For the time being.

During the trip home, from the FFL/gunshop, invariably the firearms demons go to work. Joe S. gets home, opens his new pride and joy and is taken back in a deep blue funk.

*** choosing one, several, or all, to immediately disqualify his pistol as new ***
1. Its dirty
2. The pistol didn't come in a bag
3. The instruction manual didn't come in a bag
4. There's no fired casing
5. The case is not the newest style he heard of online
6. There's a wear mark on the barrel hood
7. There's a wear mark on the barrel at the bushing area
8. There's a flake of polymer in the bag
9. There's a flake of polymer hanging from the frame
10. Evidence of hand fitting someplace, maybe somebody screwed with it.
11. The slide won't close with the empty magazine in place
12. There's a notch in the frame rail
13. What he thought were metal rails are plastic rails
14. There's a gap between the bottom of the frame and the magazine floorplate
15. The front sight is slightly offeset
16. The rear sight is slightly offset
17. The trigger is terrible
18. The reset is terrible
19. It won't manually cycle snap-caps
20. It won't manually cycle ammo
21. The polymer overhangs the back of the slide
22. The frame rails appear bent
23. The frame seems to vary in width
24. He now recalls all the reading he did online, including the "fact" that what he purchased is a known problematic pistol design.

So whats Joe to do? Joe's a smart guy. All the Shlabotnicks are. He gets online, finds a user forum and posts a full twenty four new threads, each dealing with one specific item from his list of two dozen possible reasons that his pistol is used, returned, defective, a blem, unsound, unsafe, inaccurate, and dangerous to the user, and how he cannot possibly ever have his life depend on such an item.

All of this in the course of less than a day, and before shot number one has been fired.

Folks online try to help, try to calm and assuade his fears. They offer sound advice borne through long experience. Joe finally gets his man cards back into a deck of 21, and takes his new pistol to the range. He proudly displays it, then asks to compare it to every other pistol available to try, same make, model or not. Unimpressed, Joe decides to try his new piece of junk. He orderes up a box of bargain basement reloads, and goes to the firing line. The ammo wont cycle, he has feeding problems, the slide fails to stay back, and he can't hit a No. 2 washtub at ten feet.

Thats it. Joe has proved to himself he was correct after all, and that everyone online is a stupid ass.

And, he gets back online to let them know just how he feels about the pistol, the design, the company that made it, and his estimation of their supposedly great advice.

Feeling a bit more at ease with himself, Joe then returns to the range, trades in his slightly less than new pistol for another type, taking a huge hit in money.

But, then again, Joe knows best!

[Fodder]

That's either really, really funny, or really sad...can't decide which.

[berettabone]

This new generation..............................no clue...............................have we been there?

[b4uqzme]

Not me. I buy a new firearm then endeavor to scrounge up every piece of online support proving how smart I am for picking that particular model. :cool:

Why do you think I hang around with youse guys?? :rolleyes:

[deadeye]

Darn! Once again I am left out! My CM9 has been 100% for 2 years and over 2500 rounds. My machines are always that way. What am I doing wrong?

[Barth]

I'm regularly amazed at posts by unhappy new gun owners that haven't fired a shot.
Then others that actually shoot the gun.
But then break out a magnifying glass to look for wear.

It's a gun.
Buy a quality gun and shoot quality ammo.

[ReManG]

Hahahaha, Exactly why having some ability to read critically and think critically is soooo important. Just remember, Comparison is the Thief of Joy...... If you walk around thinking you made a mistake, you will. More than likely you will make the mistake while thinking on the one you believe you made previously.

Most of the trolls cannot stand the sound of their own voices, yet when we feed them, they have the view that "negative attention is still attention!!! I provide a relief from the fan boys and advertising reps that frequent these forums" Thus, don't feed any trolls, even the passive-aggressive ones that start out positive.

In some cases the new generation is actually better, nowadays there is less "this is what I was told makes me a better shooter/man/Bad***" dogma from the new ones, than there is the stodgy bullheadedness from the stick-in-the-mud shooter types who Poo-Poo all new things like lubes or whatever, WITHOUT trying them for themselves..... I am cheap, so I will not try something unless I think I should, but I will not disparage something I am too cheap to try. Conversely, price does not make something better or worse....

Great thread, but the forums would be boring without some of this drama...It is good when you can actually help someone that comes on here though....

#10 is classic, you pay extra on a premium pistol for this... but your machine made baby shouldn't need it... hahahahahaha... machines are hand made....

My suggestion:

#25 What the %#!&%@!!! I have to "break it in" for 200 rounds, what kind of piece of @%!& did I buy?!?!?!?! These things should be good to go after manufacturing and shipping and sitting in a warehouse and being handled by patrons of a gun store and traveling home with me, I have no time for this crap.....

[gunmut]

We are such a herd animal, it makes me sad. I also find myself looking for confirmation that I make the correct choice by finding supporting post online......

[Hawkeye911]

I have one personality "flaw" that has served me very well in life. I have Buyer's Remorse... lots of it, but it all takes place PRIOR to making a purchase!

I research, research, research, read, plan, evaluate, consider concerns with the money spent. Watch for unacceptable flaws in design, utility for my purpose, manufacturing or materials, or company service. Compare, contrast, look for the best possible fit for my needs.

Talk to satisfied, and unsatisfied, owners of the product if possible, and try to evaluate the personalities of each and and the validity of their claims. Handle, test-drive, and do a trial use of the product for the purpose I am considering it for if possible. Pray, think, then pray some more!

Then, if logic, wisdom, and heart point in the same direction, I make the purchase... and never look back or second-guess my buying decision. I'm a man. I made a decision. All the angst and regret happened before hand, and I made the best possible choice after thorough due-diligence! It's worked very well, and saved a lot, philosophically and psychologically!

This method has served me well since my teens, and has worked for autos, home designs, $35,000 trucks, $150,000 ag tractors... and two Kahr pistols!

There have been cases on this board where I began to think, "Please do us and yourself a favor... sell your Kahr immediately, and go find a gun, and site, somewhere else. You've already chosen never to be happy here."

I really like and appreciate my CM9 and CW380... and my XDs .45 and Ruger Wily Clapp .357... and my 4x4... and most of all, my beautiful wife of 35 years. But, I came to each thoughtfully and prayerfully. No remorse after the fact. I had done the very best I knew, and while nothing is perfect in this world, the very best I could!!!

[JohnR]

My wife is this way about cars. She wants to dealer to fix every little thing whether it's broken or not.

[Ikeo74]

I thought I was the only one that noticed this happens. The insecure should never own a gun.

[ReManG]

I have one personality "flaw" that has served me very well in life. I have Buyer's Remorse... lots of it, but it all takes place PRIOR to making a purchase!

I research, research, research, read, plan, evaluate, consider concerns with the money spent. Watch for unacceptable flaws in design, utility for my purpose, manufacturing or materials, or company service. Compare, contrast, look for the best possible fit for my needs.

Talk to satisfied, and unsatisfied, owners of the product if possible, and try to evaluate the personalities of each and and the validity of their claims. Handle, test-drive, and do a trial use of the product for the purpose I am considering it for if possible. Pray, think, then pray some more!

Then, if logic, wisdom, and heart point in the same direction, I make the purchase... and never look back or second-guess my buying decision. I'm a man. I made a decision. All the angst and regret happened before hand, and I made the best possible choice after thorough due-diligence! It's worked very well, and saved a lot, philosophically and psychologically!

This method has served me well since my teens, and has worked for autos, home designs, $35,000 trucks, $150,000 ag tractors... and two Kahr pistols!

There have been cases on this board where I began to think, "Please do us and yourself a favor... sell your Kahr immediately, and go find a gun, and site, somewhere else. You've already chosen never to be happy here."

I really like and appreciate my CM9 and CW380... and my XDs .45 and Ruger Wily Clapp .357... and my 4x4... and most of all, my beautiful wife of 35 years. But, I came to each thoughtfully and prayerfully. No remorse after the fact. I had done the very best I knew, and while nothing is perfect in this world, the very best I could!!!

YUP, this is a much more articulate version of what I was trying to say.... Holding on to a current regret is a great way to propagate future regrets.... Plan and decide, live with your decision and make your mistakes (if any) work for you in the next process.... We all make mistakes, and it is called a learning curve, not a cliff. How we deal with our choices says more than a bad choice.

[downtownv]

He, he, he, were you referring to an actual post made on KT?

[yqtszhj]

My wife is this way about cars. She wants to dealer to fix every little thing whether it's broken or not.
If you add to that wants to tell them how tbey are running their business wrong and what they should do you just described mine too.

[CJB]

He, he, he, were you referring to an actual post made on KT?Moi? Oh HE-double-toothpicks no. More like modeled after no less than a thousand past posts. I can't say I bagged any particular post, or had one pull my miserable (sarcastic) trigger.....:D

[TheTman]

I have more "guilt" than buyers remorse, about how I could have used that money to do better things with. But guns have been my one investement that most often seem to at least hold their own in value, if not increase, like my $85 rifle, I now see going in the $400-$500 range, or my $150 rifle that the last one I saw for sale had a $1k price tag on it.
I have bought a clunker here and there, like the DB9 the I thought was going to be a nice weapon, but was a total POS in my hands. At least I was able to trade it for something I liked. Then I've had a couple of .22 revolvers I got on the cheap, and weren't worth what I paid for them, but I got rid of those. Most others have worked out very well.
It's funny, the DB9 worked much better for people that had larger and stronger hands then mine, I think the frame flexed too much in my small hands so that it wouldn't feed properly. So when I traded it, I told the guy about the my trouble with it, and to call me if he had any problems. He had big strong mitts, and I never heard from him.

[muggsy]

I thought I was the only one that noticed this happens. The insecure should never own a gun.

+1 Neither should the anal retentive. I think that CJB is a mind reader. :)

[muggsy]

Any similarity to posts found on this MB are purely coincidental. The names have been omitted to protect the innocent. :)

[GROTMAN]

My wife is this way about cars. She wants to dealer to fix every little thing whether it's broken or not.

After 29 yrs of marriage my wife still wants to fix every little thing about ME.. not that anythings broken or needs fixed mind ya. :rolleyes:

[mr surveyor]

don't matter if it's guns, automobiles, power tools, or whatever ..... there really seems to be no pride in manufacturing and even less QC in most products now. By the time I turned 30, I realized that the best thing to do concerning vehicles was to buy new (after careful consideration of the "trends"), and that the best thing concerning firearms (particularly the ones that would be depended on when needed) was to buy used .... looking for the "happy marks" such as holster wear on handguns (indication the previous owner(s) trusted it enough to carry), and worn blue or other honest character marks on the long guns. If the bore is good and the action works smooth, and if it's an old standby model firearm, most any part it may ever need is probably available. The only new guns I've purchased in the last 10 years that I still have around are a CW9 and a Rossi R92 lever gun. Quite a few others ended up as trade fodder, which I expected from the beginning to be a likely possibility. For the life of me I don't understand why those that are a bit green when it comes to firearms don't realize they could give up a bit of their ego trip concerning buying the latest greatest (and getting that bargain basement price) and do a bit of paruzing the small gun shops and pawn shops and find some real jewels.

The last new gun I bought was the Springer XDS45 .... which got recalled less than a month later. I was not surprised. The wailing and gnashing of teeth from the vast majority of internet gun commandos was just downright entertaining for a couple of months. You'd think it was the only gun they had ever owned .... which was most likely true, so they had no idea what to expect on that "first purchase". I really didn't "need" the thing, so as soon as it came back with an even crappier trigger than it started with, I sold it for a whopping $23 loss and immediately bought a new digital scale, chrony, a couple thousand more primers, powder......

I figure that new guns are o.k. as long as you want to go through the recommended break-in, can afford the 200-500 rounds of recommended break-in ammunition, and have a real proven, seasoned "back-up" for the real carry needs.

Just my chrotchety old opinion .... what was the subject????


jd

[deadeye]

See what I mean. Once again I am on the wrong side of things. In the last 2 years I have bought 2 NEW guns. My CM9 and an AR15. Both have been flawless from the start. Should I trade them for used ones before it's too late or just prepare for the worst.:D

[marcinstl]

I went to high school with my buddy at the gun store, 50 something years ago. we were nuts then and still nuts today. when I ordered my CW9, he called me to let me know it was in. I got over there and we had the unboxing of the virgin gun. it had been shot at the facorty and not cleaned(those sluts!). it had poly flakes on the frame. it came in a cardboard box(those sluts!) and only had 1 magazine(cheap sluts!). I took it home and cleaned it up as best I could. since then I've been putting a minimum of 50 rounds a week thru it. great gun. just got a CM9 and it's a good shooter too, that was a used gun from somewhere in the mountains of W.Va., not a virgin. geez, ya just got to take some chances and hope for the best. shoot the darn thing!

[b4uqzme]

I went to high school with my buddy at the gun store, 50 something years ago. we were nuts then and still nuts today. when I ordered my CW9, he called me to let me know it was in. I got over there and we had the unboxing of the virgin gun. it had been shot at the facorty and not cleaned(those sluts!). it had poly flakes on the frame. it came in a cardboard box(those sluts!) and only had 1 magazine(cheap sluts!). I took it home and cleaned it up as best I could. since then I've been putting a minimum of 50 rounds a week thru it. great gun. just got a CM9 and it's a good shooter too, that was a used gun from somewhere in the mountains of W.Va., not a virgin. geez, ya just got to take some chances and hope for the best. shoot the darn thing!

+1 :yo:

[addictedhealer]

Jeez I am having worse problems than this guy. I can't for the life of me get this mag in. Who wants only 7+1? So I bought a double stack mag for a m&p9 and it won't fit. Trading this thing off first chance I get! http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/28/ea9237a34fe1d9637e17dbb2b05a6b34.jpg

[deadeye]

Thanks. I am soooooo relieved.

[Bawanna]

Your my soul mate Mr. Surveyor.

I never owned a new car, I kind of shop for them the same way you describe looking for guns. Honest wear. Try to avoid Fords even though due to circumstances beyond my control I'm driving one. Probably be commercial material soon almost 110,000 miles on it and still on the road.

It was 5 or 6 years old when I got it so who knows where it's been.

[mr surveyor]

B .... I do insist on buying new underwear .... don't want to see someone else's character marks there :rolleyes:

[CJB]

I owned a new truck once. Undies once, and PJ's once.

They all gone by the wayside, and I'm better off for it.

[laserfish]

I have two used Kahrs and one new one. Shot each one over 200 uneventful rounds and was glad to do it!(even the used ones). Why would you complain about having to shoot your pistol? I wouldn't carry one of any brand I had not shot at least that much!

[JMag]

I ate a Snickers bar that just didn't taste like they used to & it didn't make me happy. I think I will go back to the store and ask for my money back.



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[warbird1]

Great post OP. I just love to buy and trade myself. That's why I finally had to buy a safe.

[SlowBurn]

don't matter if it's guns, automobiles, power tools, or whatever ..... there really seems to be no pride in manufacturing and even less QC in most products now. By the time I turned 30, I realized that the best thing to do concerning vehicles was to buy new (after careful consideration of the "trends"), and that the best thing concerning firearms (particularly the ones that would be depended on when needed) was to buy used .... jd

I'm a believer in used since buying my P380 that way. Really happy with it. You'd want to do some research first to make sure its not a model with some problem that was corrected later. Easy enough these days. No warranty, but guess what? Good manufacturers don't want flawed guns out there, so lots of times they'll fix them no charge except shipping.

[b4uqzme]

I ate a Snickers bar that just didn't taste like they used to & it didn't make me happy. I think I will go back to the store and ask for my money back.



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the one with almonds is pretty good....

[Bawanna]

I've always been a Baby Ruth guy myself.

[GROTMAN]

I've always been one to shoot for the stars.. Milky Way for me.

[mr surveyor]

I've always been a Baby Ruth guy myself.


Caddy Shack .... pool scene .... music from Jaws .... "It's just a Baby Ruth" .... chomp, chomp ....

[kwh]

Jeez I am having worse problems than this guy. I can't for the life of me get this mag in. Who wants only 7+1? So I bought a double stack mag for a m&p9 and it won't fit. Trading this thing off first chance I get! http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/28/ea9237a34fe1d9637e17dbb2b05a6b34.jpg
I would polish the feed ramp. That fixes everything.

[CJB]

Butterfinger.


I would polish the feed ramp. That fixes everything.

Yah or just keep dry firing it a bunch.

[johnh]

Whatever you do be sure to polish and otherwise modify a bunch of stuff based on a YouTube video you saw BEFORE you fire it. Then go online and tell everyone what a crappy product it is. Be sure to complain if customer service is less than responsive to your request for help too. :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

If you can't trust YouTube who can you trust.

[Joe A.]

My CM9 is not reliable with some fmj ammo. Why, I don't know. Not worried. It's 100% reliable with the defensive ammo I've fired in it. It's in my pocket now loaded with Hornady CD.

[TheLastDaze]

epic thread...........

hmmm, sounds kinda familiar and think I may have just responded to this last week......