View Full Version : P45,P380 and other issues on reliability
gene62
11-06-2014, 08:51 AM
I now have 588 rounds through my P45. Even after one trip back to the factory, I had 3 jams(failure to feed) on fmj ammo. I love the gun, accuracy is really good .
But has anyone had a similar issue? I am not able to find a lot of info on the P45.
Also does the CW45 have the same issues?
To make matters worse when I was at the range this week the gentleman beside me had a P380,new out of the box, first rounds fired. He could not rack the slide back unless the trigger was pulled. This was the case ,mag in or mag out. I tried it myself and got the same results.
He fired the gun (not sure I would have) and it did function OK. But he still could not rack the slide without pulling the trigger.
Also looking at the barrel when the slide was forward, the barrel was touching the top of the slide(hood or bushing area).I believe it should have been dead center.
Not sure what to think on guns of this grade. Anyone have info please ?
b4uqzme
11-06-2014, 09:37 AM
disclaimer: I am not an expert :)
1 - short barrel / steep ramp .45's are commonly known to be prone to feeding problems. Kahrs are no worse and arguably better than most. We'd need a whole lot more info to comment on your specific case.
2 - that p380 needs to go back for repair asap --- things do happen. I agree I wouldn't have fired it knowing that something is not right.
3 - both my Kahr barrels touch the BOTTOM of the muzzle opening when in battery (I do believe you meant the muzzle opening and not the hood?). There is a slight gap at the TOP to accommodate the barrel tilt when actioning the slide. Is that p380 assembled properly? recoil assembly, slide lock lever and spring?
Do you have a California version?
If not, it could be the recent recurrence of quality issues - in most cases with the P380 - see this thread:
http://www.kahrtalk.com/showthread.php?25376-Kahr-P380-Unreliable-for-Personal-Defense
Good luck with yours.
sharpetop
11-16-2014, 05:42 AM
No issues with my CW45.
b4uqzme
11-16-2014, 09:51 AM
to finally answer the OP's question: yes anything you read about the CW45 should also apply for your P45.
P.S. "mine runs fine". :)
knkali
11-16-2014, 11:10 AM
3 FtoF out of how many rnds that day? Still could be limp wristing? My P 40 and 45 are very sensitive to limp wristing. I really have to drive these guns-at the range, I wear a glove when shooting. I found that this made a big difference in the gun's cycling dependability when I can get tired from high rnd count range trips. The moment I get too relaxed I will have a hiccup. Also, I swap out my recoil spring after the first 600 rnds. I noticed that both Ps ran better after that and 99% of malfunctions I might have were/are operator error. Finally, I run my P guns very wet(that sounded odd). Seems to be what they like too. Hope this helps some. BTW I have found that 300 rnds is the magic number...after that, the gun starts telling me to clean it. Apologies if you find my reply too basic gun stuff 101
Pointblank
11-16-2014, 11:25 AM
I have close to a thousand rounds through my P45 and never had a malfunction. However, I did have some accuracy issues. It was shooting 8 inches low at seven yards. I sent it back to the factory and they replaced the barrel and modified the slide in some way. Now it's super accurate and a still 100% reliable.
muggsy
11-16-2014, 11:27 AM
Any semi-auto can experience a failure to feed at any time. It can be ammo related and not necessarily a fault of the gun. Anyone who claims that they never experienced a failure to feed is either a liar or hasn't shot enough. Failures to feed are why the tap rack drill was invented. Even revolvers can malfunction. That's one reason that I carry a back-up.
gene62
11-17-2014, 07:52 PM
Thanks to all who have answered.
To reply to the question of how many rounds during the last failure to feed issues, it was 50. I have only ran as many as 80 at a time through in a session. I am usually working with someone else or shooting a couple of guns during a range trip.
I too have thought about limp wristing.How ever, I have a lot of time in Glock's, XD's, M&P's and 1911's. also I shoot j frames quite well(at least out to 27'). So as far as the pistols listed go, I have no issue with those. If the P45 is more sensitive, and if I do have a limp wristing issue, then I need to address it or move onto another pistol. Problem is, I see nothing on the market at this time I like better when you compare size and weight. But If I see this issue not going away due to fault of me or the pistol I will have to choose.
SlowBurn
11-17-2014, 09:41 PM
I too have thought about limp wristing.How ever, I have a lot of time in Glock's, XD's, M&P's and 1911's. also I shoot j frames quite well(at least out to 27'). So as far as the pistols listed go, I have no issue with those. If the P45 is more sensitive, and if I do have a limp wristing issue, then I need to address it or move onto another pistol. Problem is, I see nothing on the market at this time I like better when you compare size and weight. But If I see this issue not going away due to fault of me or the pistol I will have to choose.
It's not possible to cause a malfunction by limp wristing a revolver. It is possible to limp wrist a large semi auto, but it's not easy. Small semi autos are susceptible.
Limp wristing is also easily fixed, just make sure to lock your wrists.
JERRY
11-17-2014, 10:03 PM
I'm trying to talk a guy in to trading his CW45 for one of my smith wheelys..... this after I had a rough start with a PM45, that's how bad I want these guns to work. they are a great idea but the execution is suspect at times.
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