do you have a problem with this?

[knkali]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/daily-roundup/north-carolina-teacher-pours-hot-sauce-on-autistic-student-as-punishment/ar-AA7BQo8?ocid=mailsignout
If the child was not autistic, would that change your position on this?

[downtownv]

This was used when I was a kid for Nail biters and nose pickers..
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Jenson+violet

[berettabone]

No big deal............I was a nail biter...............................I wish my mother would have used hot sauce, I love hot sauce.............instead, she used Vicks vapo rub. You really have to be careful in this politically correct world..........me, not so much:rolleyes:

[Buzzard45]

not enough info in this bit to comment directly. Having grown up in a rather large extended family with it`s fair share of "challenged" individuals, ranging from the antiquated "mildly retarded" to extreme brain damage, i will only say that today`s education system is in need of major fixing. These special needs kids need and deserve special care by real,well trained, specialists. Unfortunately i don`t have any answers to these problems...

[b4uqzme]

Yes I have a problem with this but I suspect, if you dig deeper, you'll find more problems than just hot sauce. Here's my experience with special needs education.

1. A very close friend was a director of a special needs department for a large school system. He spent almost all his time in court representing the school in cases brought by the parents. Very little time actually taking care of the kids.

2. Another close friend is an Intervention Specialist: she is assigned a small group of special needs kids to monitor and counsel. These kids are enrolled in mainstream classes. While she does have some extra training, she's not much more than a regular teacher and she does her very best. She tells me that some of these kids are really a handful and some are downright dangerous. I pray for her.

I am an advocate for segregation and giving these kids specialized care in a controlled environment. But typically their parents will have none of that. They want them in the mainstream...where they can be disruptive...and where they can get terrorized by the other kids. (Strictly my opinion on those last 2 points).

I agree it needs fixed.

[Buzzard45]

Yes I have a problem with this but I suspect, if you dig deeper, you'll find more problems than just hot sauce. Here's my experience with special needs education.

1. A very close friend was a director of a special needs department for a large school system. He spent almost all his time in court representing the school in cases brought by the parents. Very little time actually taking care of the kids.

2. Another close friend is an Intervention Specialist: she is assigned a small group of special needs kids to monitor and counsel. These kids are enrolled in mainstream classes. While she does have some extra training, she's not much more than a regular teacher and she does her very best. She tells me that some of these kids are really a handful and some are downright dangerous. I pray for her.

I am an advocate for segregation and giving these kids specialized care in a controlled environment. But typically their parents will have none of that. They want them in the mainstream...where they can be disruptive...and where they can get terrorized by the other kids. (Strictly my opinion on those last 2 points).

I agree it needs fixed.

yep, aint just the system, the attitude of some parents needs a good "fixin`" too!

[muggsy]

I don't think that the educator should be fired, but she does need to be educated as to what proper classroom discipline is. She should be at least as smart as her students.

[Alfonse]

Yes, I have a problem with that. A teacher in a special ed classroom needs to be working with the parents with common goals. A "non-verbal" child can be a target for bullying from other students and abuse. However, these kids are also a special gift and being with them can be very rewarding and joyful. It is the rare public school that sees these kids as anything but a budget problem.

[Longitude Zero]

Since my son is college degreed I really could not care less about these type situations. When I was a kid pine Tar and Vicks Vap-O-Rub was used with no side effects.

[knkali]

interesting points presented here on this this thread.
My question is: why do parents want their kids in "mainstream" curriculum? A non verbal child seems to qualify for a different learning environment IMHO.

[knkali]

Since my son is college degreed I really could not care less about these type situations. When I was a kid pine Tar and Vicks Vap-O-Rub was used with no side effects.
You and I, and suspect most here, grew up with things like the "super paddle"---basically an oar with holes drilled in it so there is less wind resistance. But I digress. This is a non verbal child so I do think different approaches are applicable here.

[b4uqzme]

Apologies. This article doesn't tell enough to assume this child is in a mainstream environment. Although it is common and my experiences are such.

[b4uqzme]

Yes, I have a problem with that. A teacher in a special ed classroom needs to be working with the parents with common goals. A "non-verbal" child can be a target for bullying from other students and abuse. However, these kids are also a special gift and being with them can be very rewarding and joyful. It is the rare public school that sees these kids as anything but a budget problem.

Very admirable position. I wish I had the same confidence that these special children are celebrated in a mainstream environment vs. ridiculed (by their classmates).

[berettabone]

I can't speak for anyone else, but back when I was in school, we had these types of students in our classrooms, and, I don't ever remember anyone bullying any of them. We put a damn helmut on them, and threw them the ball. They were treated no differently than anyone else. I think that they assimilated into society, with some help, just fine.

[deadeye]

I can't speak for anyone else, but back when I was in school, we had these types of students in our classrooms, and, I don't ever remember anyone bullying any of them. We put a damn helmut on them, and threw them the ball. They were treated no differently than anyone else. I think that they assimilated into society, with some help, just fine.

Every case is different as is everything in life. My grandson is very autistic. The doctors said he would never be able to read or write. It looked like they were right. He was in special eduction until 9 years old. The teachers accepted what they were told. When my daughter wanted to "main stream" him I was dead against it for reasons already stated earlier in this post. He was never bullied because luckily his sister, one year younger, would bust anyone's head that tried it. Long story short? He is now 22 years old and can read and write as well as we can. (Jocko excluded.) He has a job - a very simple one -but his employer says he wished all his employees were as dedicated and dependable as him. I realize there are many different stories out there but until given a chance, who knows/

[Alfonse]

Most "special needs" kids are capable of incredible things. They are absolutely all different. Public school is rarely the way to best equip them to get there. For those with special needs kids, I have seen some amazing things from other organizations, www.NACD.org is one of them.

On a slightly different topic, lots of the behavior challenged, "normal" kids are some of the brightest kids out there who are just bored to distraction in public schools. Almost any kid can be amazing if we can figure out how to unlock them.