shot him 16 times

[marcinstl]

the bad guy came into the townhall meeting and immediately killed the cop, then some guy in the middle of the audience, I put 16 (8 good ones) into him, he still got off a shot in my direction before falling. glad this was a virtual bad guy on a shooting simulator. anybody who ever asked, "why didn't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" "why didn't they shoot him in the leg?" needs to shoot on a simulator. why did the cop shoot him 8 times? the gun holds 17+1 of taxpayers bullets, use them, then reload.
anyway, if you get a chance to shoot on a simulator, go for it, good learning experience and good fun.

[ltxi]

Folk who ask moronic questions like that don't shoot, period! And, unless you can truly "forget" they're simulators even the best must underestimate reality.

Also, just can't help myself, I consider training to shoot/kill people necessary work. I'm troubled by characterizing it as good fun.

[GLOCKROCKER]

Always wanted to shoot on a simulator. I'd probably be anticipating too much and kill everybody in the scenario. What simulators can't do is replicate the "real" experience with the adrenaline flowing and the fear for your own life, but it would still be fun. Maybe I'll put that on my Christmas list that MRS. GLOCKROCKER asked me to give her.

[Bawanna]

I've shot FAST and I think they call it FATS now. Big trailer they haul around. It's incredibly good training and it can indeed get the adrenaline going. Not totally of course since you know your walking out alive regardless but it's about as life like as you can get.

The operator can change things at a key stroke. Might do a scenario with a gun and the next time its exactly the same but its a cell phone etc.

One time the guy will try to shoot you and the next time he might just obey and give up. You just don't know what they are gonna throw at you.

A couple retired LAPD SWAT friends who moved up here were running it. They a few years ago were going to open an indoor range and do LE training, have the officers come to them rather than vice versa and have live fire training too.

They were going to take me along primarily just to run that simulator.

While I agree totally with Itxi that it should be considered necessary training its also incredibly fun especially for me a non com office puke.

BUT they told me they were actually harder on me than the officers and I did just as well. Kind of puffed me up some hearing that.

This system even had a setup so the operator could shoot little balls like ping pong balls at you. It's a trip. Haven't got to do it for a few years. They were also able to play back the scenario and see exactly where each of your shots hit. Eye opening to say the least.

[pbagley]

Agree - in my very limited experience the simulator did not replicate the adrenaline rush of a real life-or-death experience. My son took me to a simulator his academy used. With the gun drawn and ready I was still really slow. In most cases it was nearly a tie between my shot and me getting shot. On the plus side my marksmanship was good.

[Longitude Zero]

My dept. has an advanced system. FATS is not actual reality but it is close. Virtual reality is almost here. True reality training uses Simunitions. Everything else is just faux practice. Force on force with another determined officer really takes the training and adrenaline to another level. FATS is very good FonF is so much better it is on another planet of training.

[Alfonse]

A simulator sounds like fantastic training and quite an experience.

[b4uqzme]

Folk who ask moronic questions like that don't shoot, period! And, unless you can truly "forget" they're simulators even the best must underestimate reality.

Also, just can't help myself, I consider training to shoot/kill people necessary work. I'm troubled by characterizing it as good fun.

Great point. While I consider training "fun"...the prospect of killing even a bad guy is serious business and deserves serious respect.

[muggsy]

In Cleveland we don't have simulators, but you can practice in true to life conditions simply by driving through some of our near East Side neighborhoods. After that experience you'll find simulators rather boring. :)

[marcinstl]

they didn't give me time to use the sights so I had to go to point shooting and several shots were from the hip. there went my tight groups from the range, I was just laying down cover fire (slinging lead and trying to move). conclusions: keep shooting until the threat is stopped. (if your carrying a 5 shot revolver, have an extra gun and speed loaders). (if your carrying a CM9, have extra 8 round magazines on your belt). if a sharp stick is worth one point, any caliber handgun is maybe worth 3 or 4 points, a 12ga. w/buckshot is worth 10-12 points, a .308 or similar rifle would be 12-15 points, A10 Warthog is 100 points.

[deadeye]

the bad guy came into the townhall meeting and immediately killed the cop, then some guy in the middle of the audience, I put 16 (8 good ones) into him, he still got off a shot in my direction before falling. glad this was a virtual bad guy on a shooting simulator. anybody who ever asked, "why didn't they shoot the gun out of his hand?" "why didn't they shoot him in the leg?" needs to shoot on a simulator. why did the cop shoot him 8 times? the gun holds 17+1 of taxpayers bullets, use them, then reload.
anyway, if you get a chance to shoot on a simulator, go for it, good learning experience and good fun.

A lot of people are only familiar with guns in movies. Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, etc. Roy always shot the gun out of the outlaws hand. Saw Gene shoot the bad guys hat off at full gallop on a horse. Wesley Snipes holds his gun "hood" style and hits every time exactly where he aims. No reality. These folks have no reality in them. They are also the critics of those of us who do.

[hardluk1]

The owner of nelson holsters told me about a man that has a very different type training system. You shoot at a reflective mylar surfacel that shows real people doing bad things. Not for the average guy but could be for a group and set up there own "shoots" and buy the mylar local or from amazon
Troysgate - http://www.troysgate.com/videos.php

[Bawanna]

The owner of nelson holsters told me about a man that has a very different type training system. You shoot at a reflective mylar surfacel that shows real people doing bad things. Not for the average guy but could be for a group and set up there own "shoots" and buy the mylar local or from amazon
Troysgate - http://www.troysgate.com/videos.php

That looks very much like FATS or FAST. The guys running it the last time I did it even made their own scenarios. I knew some of the bad guys and recognized one of their houses. I built it. It's pretty incredible what they can do.

[ltxi]

Folk who ask moronic questions like that don't shoot, period! And, unless you can truly "forget" they're simulators even the best must underestimate reality.

Also, just can't help myself, I consider training to shoot/kill people necessary work. I'm troubled by characterizing it as good fun.

Sorry a bit for the grumpiness. I know it's not what was meant, but the original post just brought to immediate mind a picture of kids, and not kids, enjoying playin' them video games where the point seems to be blowing away as many folk as possible. Sometimes for no obvious reason.