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downtownv
11-22-2014, 05:34 AM
Israeli Officials Recognize Protective Benefits of Good Guys with Guns

Posted on November 21, 2014


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This week, Israeli Public Security Minister Yitzhak Aharonovitch announced a decision to relax the rules (http://mops.gov.il/English/AboutUsEnglish/Firearm/Pages/History_Firearm.aspx) governing the carrying of firearms and the issuance of licenses to carry. The move came shortly after the reprehensible slaughter of four Orthodox Jewish men and a police officer in a West Jerusalem Temple by terrorists armed with knives, axes and a gun. The assailants in the attack had been shot and killed at the scene by police. Aharonovitch was quoted in an article in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.627507) as stating, “The decision to ease [approving gun permits] is a result of the present need to strengthen the feeling of security for the population, in light of the recent terrorist incidents befalling us."

As the Haaretz article explains, the decision temporarily allows licensed security personnel to take firearms home with them. Further, the criteria for granting firearm licenses has been changed, allowing for people in sufficiently dangerous communities to acquire firearms licenses. Requirements for ex-military personnel and current military reservists have also been eased.

In late 2012, following the tragic murders in Newtown, Conn., NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre uttered the now famous words, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” The common sense statement received harsh criticism at the time in some corners of the media. Nonetheless, the Israeli Minister of Public Security, undeniably tasked with some of the most challenging internal security conditions on Earth, echoed that sentiment by relaxing Israel’s normally strict firearms rules in the face of this latest atrocity. While a departure from the typical reaction of Western officials confronted with the ugly reality of wanton violence, denial and wishful thinking are not viable options for a nation whose very existence neighboring powers have sworn to destroy.

Notably, Aharonovitch isn’t the only high-ranking security official to endorse this view after a tragedy. In 2013, following an attack in a shopping mall in Nairobi, Kenya, Interpol Secretary Robert K. Noble suggested (http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/10/secretary-general-of-interpol-suggests-an-armed-citizenry-to-combat-mass-violence.aspx) that an armed citizenry could be used to counter terrorist violence. Noble told ABC, “Societies have to think about how they're going to approach the problem.... One is to say we want an armed citizenry; you can see the reason for that.” Noble added, “You have to ask yourself, 'Is an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past with an evolving threat of terrorism?' This is something that has to be discussed.”

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muggsy
11-22-2014, 07:02 AM
Not all Jewish people are that smart. The liberal socialist Jews in America are trying to take your guns from you.

marshal kane
11-22-2014, 08:16 AM
Not all Jewish people are that smart. The liberal socialist Jews in America are trying to take your guns from you.

IMO, these are the Jews that were educated in their local publics schools and graduated from an ivy league college. Our education system is infested with liberal socialist instructors. That's what our kids have to deal with getting an education.

BTW, the Israeli Jews are demolishing the houses of the terrorists. Don't mess with the Israelis they take self protection seriously.

deadeye
11-22-2014, 08:17 AM
The "smart?" Jews are the ones who keep voting for the libtards in New York state and city. These are very different people than the ones in Israel.

b4uqzme
11-22-2014, 08:33 AM
Back on point: Israel reacts to a mass killing by promoting more guns for law abiding citizens. We, time and time again, react by trying to take them away. I say Israel is smart.

knkali
11-22-2014, 10:01 AM
two of my favorite Jews might help sum up the dichotomy within the Jewry in the U.S/Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulqBb4JePuQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHIQtxLCgrM (go to 3:58)

Finally, I encourage people to peruse www.jpfo.org (http://www.jpfo.org) .

muggsy
11-22-2014, 11:49 AM
Not all Jews adhere to the words, "Never forget."

downtownv
11-22-2014, 11:53 AM
I corrected the opening statement, Mugs you're right, NYC Jews among others, suffer from guilt and have forgotten that Hitler disarmed them first.

TheTman
11-23-2014, 03:09 PM
A large percentage of American Jews, are secular, and Jewish in name only. Like the characters on the Seinfeld show. They want to be hip, liberal progressives. The atrocities of WWII are largely forgotten by this group. They go to the universities in the area, and get brainwashed with more of the liberal progressive agenda, and end up as good little socialist liberal progressive Dimocrats. The older more conservative generation, that remembers WWII, is about gone, and is being replaced by this new type of secular or even atheist Jew. Recent trends show that a new wave of Jewish immigrants is increasing the number of orthodox Jews, many coming from eastern Europe and Russia, that definitely do not support socialist policies.

In Israel, with enemies on all sides, it's common sense to arm the population. I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to ease the firearm restrictions. I know of a preacher living there, that went no where without his 1911. I don't know if he had a permit for it, I kind of doubt it, but it went everywhere he did.

knkali
11-23-2014, 06:29 PM
A large percentage of American Jews, are secular, and Jewish in name only. Like the characters on the Seinfeld show. They want to be hip, liberal progressives. The atrocities of WWII are largely forgotten by this group. They go to the universities in the area, and get brainwashed with more of the liberal progressive agenda, and end up as good little socialist liberal progressive Dimocrats. The older more conservative generation, that remembers WWII, is about gone, and is being replaced by this new type of secular or even atheist Jew. Recent trends show that a new wave of Jewish immigrants is increasing the number of orthodox Jews, many coming from eastern Europe and Russia, that definitely do not support socialist policies.

In Israel, with enemies on all sides, it's common sense to arm the population. I'm surprised it's taken this long for them to ease the firearm restrictions. I know of a preacher living there, that went no where without his 1911. I don't know if he had a permit for it, I kind of doubt it, but it went everywhere he did.

you made some big points there but I question where you feel orthodox Jews are considered to be conservative in their politics? Sure they have some religious carry over with the far right conservative but I am not so sure to say they are on the same page when it comes to social programs. Please, I would love some direction to help me agree with that.

Finally, I was shocked to read Israel's carry laws. I thought they were very restrictive given their condition. I was wondering if they were really enforced?

downtownv
11-24-2014, 12:13 PM
you made some big points there but I question where you feel orthodox Jews are considered to be conservative in their politics? Sure they have some religious carry over with the far right conservative but I am not so sure to say they are on the same page when it comes to social programs. Please, I would love some direction to help me agree with that.

Finally, I was shocked to read Israel's carry laws. I thought they were very restrictive given their condition. I was wondering if they were really enforced?

I asked these nice boys they said they are conservative.
They guy in the back has the football (Head-down wearing the Black skull helmet for protection)

knkali
11-24-2014, 02:25 PM
Israeli rugby team right there.......

Bawanna
11-24-2014, 02:28 PM
Is that Michael Jackson, second from left?

Thriller!

marshal kane
11-24-2014, 02:31 PM
The Israeli government recently came out with the edict that ALL Jews will serve in their armed forces. This did not sit well with the Orthodox(?) Jews who used to be exempt because they considered themselves the true keepers of the faith and were above all this. This is much like the Jew in the "Anne Frank Diary" who would perform no work towards protecting the group that was in hiding from the Nazis because he was doing religious research. I say the under the current conditions, the Israeli government made the right call.