CW380 at PSA Great Deal

[Scarywoody]

I just noticed that Palmetto State Armory has a CW380 for $239. Seems like a great deal. http://palmettostatearmory.com/ I bought my two Kahr's earlier this year, CW9 and CM9. They have a few models back in stock for $299.

[timboy]

Killer deal!

[ReManG]

Nice! I got my CW380 at their last sale, well worth it and PSA shipped within two weeks... If you want one, get one, no better price....

[Jercdevil]

Dam wish I hadn't seen this. I just bought a p380 Black Diamond from fun broker yesterday. Know I have to get this for my wife for Xmas. I hope see likes it. Lol

[Jercdevil]

Also the P380 I picked up used is Serial # RC89xx. Anyone no the manufacture date and any know issues. With this build.

[tom.p]

I checked this out and was almost ready to buy one until I realized it wasn't on the California approved handgun list...sigh...
But at least I can sleep easy at night knowing that the State has kept this dangerous weapon out of the hands of criminals.

[pr42]

I checked this out and was almost ready to buy one until I realized it wasn't on the California approved handgun list...sigh...
But at least I can sleep easy at night knowing that the State has kept this dangerous weapon out of the hands of criminals.

Just out of curiosity, how does it work if you already own this gun, but then move to California? Do they make you get rid of it or something?

Also, how easy it it these days to get a CCW permit in California? Is it still a question of "knowing the right people"?

I ask because I might be interested in moving back to Humboldt County at some point (we used to live in Eureka). However I'd have to give it second thoughts if it meant I'd have to give up my CCW and CW380, both of which I have been getting used to having...

[Scarywoody]

If you move to California with a handgun that is not California compliant, there is no issue. You will have 60 days to register the gun(s). Of course, there is a fee of $19. You just can't buy one there without it being compliant. Assault rifles are different.

[pr42]

If you move to California with a handgun that is not California compliant, there is no issue. You will have 60 days to register the gun(s). Of course, there is a fee of $19. You just can't buy one there without it being compliant. Assault rifles are different.

So... it's not ok for residents to BUY the gun, but it is ok for residents to HAVE the gun. Yeah, makes perfect sense, California. :der:

How about the CCW in California? Let me guess... you can't have one if you live there, but if you move there from some other state then it can be transferred?:p

[tom.p]

[QUOTE=pr42;324421]
Also, how easy it it these days to get a CCW permit in California? Is it still a question of "knowing the right people"?
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Getting your CCW depends entirely on where you are. It's determined by the local police agency (City police or sheriff's department), so pro-gun areas are easy (far north of the state, they pretty much give it to you as long as you can complete the class and pass the background check). Not sure where the sheriff's department in Humboldt County stands, but you can probably get a good idea by calling a local gun shop there.
The courts just struck down California's "good cause" requirement (where some areas require you to have a proven threat to your life), but the state legislature will probably find a way around it.

[tom.p]

You could also buy some more off-list guns before you move to California, register them when you move into the state, then sell them to other California residents after, since the list also doesn't apply to used guns. Not that I would suggest such an action...

[pr42]

Getting your CCW depends entirely on where you are. It's determined by the local police agency (City police or sheriff's department), so pro-gun areas are easy (far north of the state, they pretty much give it to you as long as you can complete the class and pass the background check). Not sure where the sheriff's department in Humboldt County stands, but you can probably get a good idea by calling a local gun shop there.
The courts just struck down California's "good cause" requirement (where some areas require you to have a proven threat to your life), but the state legislature will probably find a way around it.

Good info, thanks.

[pr42]

You could also buy some more off-list guns before you move to California, register them when you move into the state, then sell them to other California residents after, since the list also doesn't apply to used guns. Not that I would suggest such an action...

So... hypothetical question: If you already live in California, is it legal to buy a gun on the ban list online, get it shipped to a FFL outside of California, and then go and bring it home and register it within the time period? Or is it actually illegal for a California resident to buy the gun new in any context, no matter how they do it?

Laws can be really weird. You'd think for it to be useful, you either let people have guns, or you don't. Surely buying from a gun shop is preferable (for the gun control folks) to buying second hand, as there is more in the way of background checks.

All residents should be equal. I shouldn't have more rights to own a certain gun than my neighbor, simply because I moved here from out-of-state. If we can own the gun, then we should be able to buy the gun from a proper gun shop - not compelled to go to Shady Bob's Car Trunk Emporium down at the Wal-Mart parking lot.

Sorry, /soapbox

[tom.p]

So... hypothetical question: If you already live in California, is it legal to buy a gun on the ban list online, get it shipped to a FFL outside of California, and then go and bring it home and register it within the time period? Or is it actually illegal for a California resident to buy the gun new in any context, no matter how they do it?


Sorry, /soapbox

No, you cannot purchase a gun from an FFL out of state. I believe this is true for everyone, no matter what state you live in due to federal laws regarding firearms across state lines. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.
This means that in any state, even when conducting a person to person sale where no FFL is required (FFL is ALWAYS required for gun transactions in California), both the buyer and seller must be residents of the state where the sale takes place. I know that FFLs will not sell to anyone out of state. If we could do it the way you posed it, the Cabela's in Reno would be the most profitable business in Nevada, since every Californian who wanted a gun off list would go straight there. Many of us already go there to get cheaper ammo.

And yes, it is screwed up. No one will try to argue with you that the California government is reasonable or intelligent.

[tom.p]

Or is it actually illegal for a California resident to buy the gun new in any context, no matter how they do it?

Technically, there is a way to get an off-list gun, but it would be considered an illegal "straw purchase" if the whole transaction is set up for this purpose. Law enforcement officers in California can purchase off-list guns (and, as I put in the earlier post, someone could purchase them while living out of state, then register them in CA after moving). Once the gun is registered in CA to either of these people, they could sell the gun to someone else as a used gun. Again, if the original purchase was made with this intent, it is ILLEGAL, and the DOJ would love to prosecute you for this if they found an opportunity. I believe some deputies in the Sacramento Sheriff's Department got busted for this a few years ago. However, if you want a specific gun that's off-list, you could certainly ask any LEOs you know if they have one they want to get rid of.

[pr42]

No, you cannot purchase a gun from an FFL out of state. I believe this is true for everyone, no matter what state you live in due to federal laws regarding firearms across state lines. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.

I could have sworn that people order guns over the internet all the time from different states, and just get them delivered to a FFL in their own state. Am I mistaken there?

[tom.p]

I could have sworn that people order guns over the internet all the time from different states, and just get them delivered to a FFL in their own state. Am I mistaken there?

No, you are correct. Sorry if my wording was confusing...it's because I'm trying to explain confusing laws...I'm not sure anyone has a full grasp on CA gun laws...
Yes, you can order any gun from any business or person online, but it has to go through a California FFL dealer (they ship to FFL, you pick it up there and pay the fees, background check, waiting period). Yes, you can get guns from a different state, the purchase just has to go through an FFL in YOUR state. However, you can't get a new gun through a California FFL dealer if it's not on the approved list, even if the sale goes through a source in another state where the gun is legal.

I'm not sure about how this applies to used guns, though. Anyone know if you can purchase a used off-list gun from out of state through a California FFL? Does manufacture date matter? For instance, when the CW380 was introduced, it never made it onto the list (I believe). Could I buy a used one from someone on this forum through my local FFL? I doubt it, but I'm not certain.

[pr42]

Ok, that makes sense. But why is the CW380 banned in California? Did Kahr refuse to crappify the gun by putting on some useless appendage, like California crappified gasoline cans? Those new "no spill" spouts are fricking unusable. Maybe California approved guns are "no fire"?

[tom.p]

Yes, no one is adding new guns because they can't meet the ridiculous standards.