MK9 G10 Grips

[mhotz]

Has anyone come across a set of G10 Grips for the MK9? I did a fair amount of internet searching and came up with nothing. I see that VZ and others make G10s for a decent variety of pistols, but nothing for MK9s.

[ReManG]

I have had negative results as well, but not surprising as there are less MK9's than K9's, and less Kahrs all together than probably Ruger LCP's... So more than likely unless you know someone with a CNC router and some G10, there is not much chance of finding them. I had the same results.... You would figure Houge would offer some, as they make the grips for Kahr, but there seems to be some unholy alliance with Houge and Kahr, Ruger (LCR grips....) and several other manufacturers... It stinks in my opinion..

[Big Sexy]

I've been looking for a couple years now as well, and I haven't found anything. I've pestered VZ multiple times to introduce G10 grips for Kahrs for over 5 years now, and they have no interest in doing so. I even talked to their owner at the NRA Convention 2 years ago, and they said they didn't feel there would be enough demand to warrant doing it.

The lack of aftermarket grips is pretty much the only thing I don't like about my Kahr steel frame guns.

[Firewire]

I've gotten no response from Hogue yet, but it would stand to reason that if they make the wood grips for Kahr they have the template to make them out of G10 as well.

[Alfonse]

I've been working with Solidworks lately. I can take a shot at putting the grips into a 3D model and getting some machined. If folks are interested, I could have something the first quarter of 2015. I'm close enough to Bawanna that maybe he would help on the project.

Looking at my MK9 though, it doesn't look very difficult to model the grips.

[Big Sexy]

I would definitely be interested in getting some of those grips if you have a source willing to machine them at a reasonable price, Alfonse.

I'm a manufacturing engineer and use Solidworks every day. So, if you'd rather not mess with creating the model, I can do it if you can locate someone willing to do the machining from the model. I work in a machine shop and would just do it myself, except that I would have to create some special fixturing to hold the stock while machining, and each grip panel would have to be done in at least 2 operations, so unless someone was making a lot of them, it would be expensive to do. On top of that, all our machines have a heavy production backlog, so I don't know when I'd have any free machine time.

Keep me posted if you do pursue this.

Thanks!

[Alfonse]

I'm just learning Solidworks. It had been about 15 years since I last used SolidDesigner so I am learning as I go. You are probably a bit faster than I am at this point, but I am improving quickly.

I would get them machined, as well as some aluminum ones if folks wanted. A nice thing with SolidDesigner is different textures could be put on them pretty easily. I will PM you my email.

[Firewire]

Wow, aluminum would be nice too!

[Cokeman]

Something like this would be cool.

http://store.mil-tac.com/ProductImages/1911_grips/EMP-bg-dgl-lg.JPG

[Cokeman]

Or these.

http://www.czgrips.us/images/weemsf2.jpg

http://www.czgrips.us/images/Laminate.jpg

[Firewire]

So if someone creates the Solidworks file and shares it we could in theory source the production of a set on our own?

[Alfonse]

So if someone creates the Solidworks file and shares it we could in theory source the production of a set on our own?

Yes, but one or a handful at a time would be pricy. I was thinking of running a decent lot of them and would make them available to folks.

[Firewire]

Even better! I think there's a definite market.

[Firewire]

Someone suggested contacting Highfigure Grips, I did and his reply was that he thought it would be about 10 hours worth of labor to create and would be at least $300 for a set. I am guessing that is the price for a one off set in wood and more or less hand made not CNC'ed.

Thought I would pass that along.

[mhotz]

I've been working with Solidworks lately. I can take a shot at putting the grips into a 3D model and getting some machined. If folks are interested, I could have something the first quarter of 2015. I'm close enough to Bawanna that maybe he would help on the project.

Looking at my MK9 though, it doesn't look very difficult to model the grips.

I'm definitely interested - I'd be thrilled if I could get a reasonably priced set of G10 grip for my MK9 that were somewhat patterned after a VZ Operator (without stepping on VZ's legal toes)

[HawkeyeFan]

I'd definitely be interested in this.

[Alfonse]

Last week I was focused on getting over the flu. I have one other part design to finish, and then starting on grips.

[Firewire]

Awesome! There is a definite market!


Last week I was focused on getting over the flu. I have one other part design to finish, and then starting on grips.

[Cokeman]

Last week I was focused on getting over the flu. I have one other part design to finish, and then starting on grips.
What do you have in mind?

[b4uqzme]

are you looking for investors???? I got $27.32......

[ppsnatcher]

I'd probably buy a set:cool:

I don't understand why hogue isn't already doing it, they must have a program to cut the wood ones, I guess the demand just isn't there.

[Exiledviking]

Sounds like a good idea for a Kickstarter campaign..?
That's how the TangoDown lens covers/tube protector for the micro Aimpoints got done.

[Alfonse]

I finished the models for the MK9. I ordered 3 printed parts to test for fit and make sure I got the model correct. If somebody has an MK9 that they had to remove wood to fit the wood grips, that would be a good test for fit.

They should fit pretty well, since I modeled them after the plastic grips. Are there really more K9s out there than MK9s? Now that I have done the MK9, the K9 shouldn't take too long.

[b4uqzme]

I finished the models for the MK9. I ordered 3 printed parts to test for fit and make sure I got the model correct. If somebody has an MK9 that they had to remove wood to fit the wood grips, that would be a good test for fit.

They should fit pretty well, since I modeled them after the plastic grips. Are there really more K9s out there than MK9s? Now that I have done the MK9, the K9 shouldn't take too long.

This is really cool! So what's your plans for selling them? I'm sure interested. PM me if you need a guinea pig. I have the MK9 you described.

[Alfonse]

This is really cool! So what's your plans for selling them? I'm sure interested. PM me if you need a guinea pig. I have the MK9 you described.

You have one that requires some whittling? Great! In a week or so I should have some test fit parts. If they work without adjustments, I will pm you to get your address so you can try the fit also. The first ones are printed plastic, not machined G10. But, that is a great way to test them.

[Firewire]

If there's an opportunity I might be interested in buying the final file to make my own if a 3 axis cnc router can make them.

[b4uqzme]

You have one that requires some whittling? Great! In a week or so I should have some test fit parts. If they work without adjustments, I will pm you to get your address so you can try the fit also. The first ones are printed plastic, not machined G10. But, that is a great way to test them.

That works for me. I will wait for your pm.

[Cokeman]

What do they look like?

[Firewire]

What do they look like?

Nothing yet, just a CAD image from what I understand. I guess maybe the 3D printed sample could be shown, but it's just for fitting and getting the final file correct for production.

[Alfonse]

What do they look like?

I could use some feedback on that. They could be just machined smooth, in G10, which would still look textured due to the fiberglass matte in the G10.

I have a file with this texture as well, which has a bit more machine time but has golf ball like divots that would provide great grip without 90 degree edges that could snag:

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-D_edited-1.jpg

The next one has milled slots that are something like 0.020" deep. I think the thinnest part of the "wall" between slots would be more fragile than the divots above, but G10 is pretty tough stuff and this is not as close as others I see for sale. I like easy to clean, and this one would be a bit harder than the first:

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-E_edited-1.jpg

The next one just adds a big "K" in the middle.

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-G_edited-1.jpg

I am still tweaking the fits, but some feedback on what folks might like to buy would be great. These are the same thickness as the stock, plastic grips. Even those are 1/2 thick, quite a bit thicker material wise than a 1911 or usual grips. However, it still looks like the cost should be feasible.

So, do any of those textures (or smooth) strike people's fancy? I could also texture part way up the grip, or use an even different texture like checkering. I don't expect a bunch of volume though, so doing more than one might not be practical.

[berettabone]

I have an MK9 from 2001..............has different grip holes than other year models. GA, GC, etc.

[Bawanna]

Looking good Alfonse! Anything I can do to help, you know I'm there for ya.

Hoping this all pans out well for you.

I'm sure the detective with the MK9 I usually borrow will want a set if affordable.

I like that guys quote of 300 bucks a set, I'd ponder giving up my day job for that but alas even at 300 making them by hand probably not enough to support me evil bad habits.

[Alfonse]

I have an MK9 from 2001..............has different grip holes than other year models. GA, GC, etc.

These would fit the same ones that the Kahr grips fit. Kahr says they will not fit MKs with serial numbers starting with 'GA.'

[Bawanna]

There's really some major confusion on what fits what and apparently a few variations within those prefixes.

The MK I borrowed was a GA, I sent grips out to others with GA and they didn't fit, sent them to guys with GC's and they did fit. I think some of the differences are just miniscule but just enough to mess things up.

I tried to get defective frames for each of the SN variations but couldn't happen. They all have to be accounted for.

I don't know what the answer is, I surely don't.

[Alfonse]

I don't know what the answer is either. So, the best thing I could think of to do is have them fit the same as the nylon grips that can be ordered from Kahr. That should fit more of the pistols than anything else I could think of. I did leave clearance, I believe, around the areas the wood grips seem to need some carving. B4uqzme is going to test a prototype set to confirm that for me.

It also looks to me that the lower screw could engage more threads than the standard grips allow without protruding and interfering with the magazine. I prefer allen screws on grips as well.

[berettabone]

They will probably end up fitting most, but probably won't fit GA, GC, or LTD. Some have complained that with these G prefix serial numbers, they have had to do some carving to get the Kahr wooden grips to fit, then had trouble with the length of the standard screws not being long enough. Some like mine, have a slightly different hole configuration. What year or years they changed the hole spots is unknown as of yet. They're not different by much, at all. Wish I knew the reason for the change for a short time. Frustrating............................

[Alfonse]

They will probably end up fitting most, but probably won't fit GA, GC, or LTD. Some have complained that with these G prefix serial numbers, they have had to do some carving to get the Kahr wooden grips to fit, then had trouble with the length of the standard screws not being long enough. Some like mine, have a slightly different hole configuration. What year or years they changed the hole spots is unknown as of yet. They're not different by much, at all. Wish I knew the reason for the change for a short time. Frustrating............................

If you wanted to send me one, or preferably both, of your grips I can see if I can make them compatible. I would also like to get you inline to try to fit one of the next printed plastic prototypes. I will PM when a set is available.

[berettabone]

If I send you one of my grips, I will have to go without a ccw weapon. I could probably find a replacement, but not for that long. I will help in any other way that I can, but going without my main carry firearm isn't an option.

[Alfonse]

Got it. Maybe we can figure it out with you getting a prototype.

[Cokeman]

They will probably end up fitting most, but probably won't fit GA, GC, or LTD. Some have complained that with these G prefix serial numbers, they have had to do some carving to get the Kahr wooden grips to fit, then had trouble with the length of the standard screws not being long enough. Some like mine, have a slightly different hole configuration. What year or years they changed the hole spots is unknown as of yet. They're not different by much, at all. Wish I knew the reason for the change for a short time. Frustrating............................

The wood grips from Kahr don't fit the GCs? Mine is pretty new and is a GC. You would think that the grips they sell would fit the guns they are selling now.

[berettabone]

Got it. Maybe we can figure it out with you getting a prototype.

That would be fine.............................................. .................

[Alfonse]

Still no feedback on textures? I could also do more traditional checkering, on the complete side or the lower part. Sort of like this, or I could change the angles for a more diamond like look:

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-I_edited-1.jpg

[Bawanna]

I think I'd be inclined to change the angle and go for the more diamond look myself.

Having given it some thought I like the way you did the back strap with each side having it's own indentations without crossing over the seam in the back. They should always line up fine if the screws are drilled right but better to do it like you did the one in the photo.

I have no idea how the tooling works to get that effect on G10, must be a pretty cool machine to do that and I'm betting its a whole bunch quicker than hand checkering.

[berettabone]

I'd go with the diamond pattern also....................that backstrap has to be done, so it doesn't dig in to the palm of your hand, but still gives you a firm grip. I think a finer cut on the back would do the trick. Something like they do on the grips of a 1911 model, but leaving them separated, like in your photo, and having them go all the way up to the cutout.

[Alfonse]

Maybe like the image below, or finer yet?

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-K_edited-1.jpg

[Bawanna]

I like that. You'll have to shoot it but it should be fine. Might have to rotate that backstrap grooves vertical if they bite but I doubt they will. Don't kick all that much anyhow.

Your really getting the hang of the picture end of this operation.

[berettabone]

Like this, below the grip safety, all the way up each side, stopping at the cutout.

[Firewire]

Like this, below the grip safety, all the way up each side, stopping at the cutout.

Ahh, you mean like front and back strap checkering. 20 or 30 lpi (lines per inch).

[Cokeman]

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-E_edited-1.jpg


I like this one.

[Cokeman]

Something like this would be cool.

http://store.mil-tac.com/ProductImages/1911_grips/EMP-bg-dgl-lg.JPG

I like this look. Can you do colors like this?

[Alfonse]

The colors should just be different colors in the layers of G10 that are hit at different depths during the machining. That depends on the base material specification. The texture of the cloth is visible regardless. The Kahr grips are a bit different to machine because of the thickness of the back strap. That, and having to machine from more sides to make the back strap. I will chat with my folks doing the machining, but I do have concerns that price could get out of reach doing anything too complex on the back strap. I will keep working on it and sure appreciate the feedback.

[Bawanna]

Keeping the price reasonable is imperative. Average folks just won't pay a large sum for grips.

Keeping them relatively simple but classy still allows an end user to modify if they feel the need.

Have to keep them in reach of everybody or at least everybody above my pay scale.

[Alfonse]

Alright, this one is my new favorite and should take less machine time:

http://www.waterfrontchelan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-M_edited-1.jpg

[b4uqzme]

So far I like #1 and this last one. I'm pretty excited (it don't take much :o)

[b4uqzme]

you know, I think I would like that last one best if you eliminated that bit above and to the right of the upper screw hole. you know --- sorta like the hogue wood grips with checkering.

[Bawanna]

I like the last one. Good point by b4. That area doesn't require any texture on either side.

It certainly doesn't hurt anything to be textured either way. Not sure what smooth G10 looks like, it could be the more area left smooth the better appearance wise. Or not.

You'll never 100% please everybody although I can see your sure making a valiant effort.

Hit the start button and make the G10 dust fly. Wear a mask, nasty stuff.

[berettabone]

Maybe like the image below, or finer yet?

http://www.chelan-luxury-homes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-K_edited-1.jpg

If I had to choose one already pictured, I'd go with this one.

[Alfonse]

I worked on the back strap some more. G10 on the flat surfaces will still have a textured look since some of the fiberglass matting shows through. On cut surfaces, like the rounded back strap, the layers of matte will show.

Doing this to the back strap makes me wonder if I should line up the side texture so it runs the same direction, or whether that would be worse. On actual parts, none of the surfaces will appear smooth. I think this would be pretty sharp. It is easy to have the texture stop part way up, like the wood grips. Although sitting here with my MK, my thumb kind of likes the texture on the upper part, near the slide stop.

I got the second set of printed plastic prototypes back, and the fit my MK perfectly (well almost, I had the cutout around the slide stop slightly too big). They should fit anything the factory plastic ones do. I will start a set around to b4uqzme and berettabone for a fit check.

The thickness of these, due to wrapping around the back of the pistol, makes the material cost higher than I would have hoped. It requires at least 1/2 inch thick stock. Pricing would definitely be below $100, and I hope to have it squeak under $90. If demand is high, it could come down a bit more. Still interested?

Back strap:
http://www.waterfrontchelan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-M_edited-11.jpg

[Alfonse]

Hit the start button and make the G10 dust fly. Wear a mask, nasty stuff.

Getting closer sir! Here are the second set, of good fitting printed parts along with an earlier prototype magazine extension and base plate. I actually used that base plate and filler at the range last weekend. It was nice for the range. Might be alright for IWB too if you wanted the extra round.

http://www.waterfrontchelan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK-Grip-Prototype-Photo-2-resized.jpg

[b4uqzme]

I'm still in. Although at that price, I think our value will be in their uniqueness. ;)

[Alfonse]

It won't get any worse than that price wise. Now comes time to optimize and see where time and $ can be taken out.

[berettabone]

I think that the current price point may be a bit steep for your average joe.........................................market ing, marketing, marketing, word of mouth.............................don't the testers get a free pair?:o

[berettabone]

In the pic you have posted, they look real good................can't tell how aggressive the texture is from the pic................they look good.

[Bawanna]

I think the price is right at the border myself. Even the average Joe and I speak of this from being a first hand Joe all my life can scrap together a 100 bucks. At 100 though even additional shipping can put it over the top.

But the price is what it is too. You can't make and market them at a loss, just doesn't work. I know this to be true too.

I like making stuff but I'm not good at asking for money, not a good combination.

[Alfonse]

Yes, getting these done at a price folks are used to paying for such things is the next challenge. They do take more material, because of the thickness due to the back strap. However, I need to make sure that the machining is being done optimally and at a reasonable rate too.

Up here in the middle of rural Washington, none of the shops I'm working with so far are very close. Anyway, I will make sure I understand everything driving price. I did such things for a living in a previous career. It would be nice if they in the $80 range for a set or less. Alas, that is why getting things done well and reasonably priced usually ends up taking some time.

I suppose I could work on a version where the back strap is separate from the sides, which would also mean the back strap thickness could be select-able. That would reduce the thickness of the required material by a bunch. Much less of the material would be ground up in the manufacturing and thrown away. Another ingredient to throw into the mix.

[Bawanna]

That's a decent thought Alfonse. I'm not sure how the most efficient method of attaching the separate back strap would be.

Pinned for sure. Have to ponder that some.

Sure would simplify things if you could use thinner material over all. Worth pondering.

[Alfonse]

There are endless possibilities. G10 is really rough, that is its appeal I suppose. There are other versions of Micarta as well, that are less expensive and more than strong enough. I suppose we could even look at that stuff that grows on trees, or something stabilized, etc. There are certainly other options for materials.

Something will work out that we have some awesome grip alternatives for the MK series that are affordable as well. Maybe the G10, that's the first thing to work on.

I think the back strap could just be "captured" between the two side grips if using G10. It is pretty sturdy stuff. There are lots of ways to make the parts lock together as they mate up.

[Big Sexy]

http://www.waterfrontchelan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK9-Grip-Left-Texture-M_edited-11.jpg

I like that! Good job!

[Big Sexy]

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Pricing would definitely be below $100, and I hope to have it squeak under $90. If demand is high, it could come down a bit more. Still interested?


I'm still interested.

[Firewire]

Here's a link to some good info on knife handle materials that apply in a general sense: http://www.knifemaking.com/category-s/4.htm

[b4uqzme]

OK, they arrived today and I gave them a test fit. I took a bunch of pictures and will post. You've done good Al.

For reference: I have a GCxxxx MK9. That is the model that typically requires a bit of whittling inside the Hogue wood grips around the lower screw tabs. But Al's grips bolt right up. I see only two areas of improvement:

1- the cut out at the slide lever can be smaller.
2- there is a fitting work to do at the top of the backstrap.

Everything else looks great. I'll get the post up as soon as possible. Sorry it won't be tonight. Still doing my real job and have an early morning too.

[b4uqzme]

Here's the beginning of the picture survey for all interested. Alfonse, please review and let me know if you have any questions before I send them along to Bbone.

The insides fit fine without any modification.

[b4uqzme]

the slide lever cut out is a little too large.

[b4uqzme]

the backstrap seam and the fit at the magwell is near perfect!

[b4uqzme]

here's where it gets a little tough to describe. Take a look at the pictures. At the top of the backstrap. There are some exposed sharp frame corners. I think there just needs to be a little more material there/ a change in the radius/ cross section. I hope the pictures can show what I am trying to say. I've included pics of the wood grips so you can see Hogue's solution.

[b4uqzme]

and here are the Hogues

[TennSCN]

Dang it! WHY did I LOOK??

I want some for my K40...

[b4uqzme]

and here are the mag release cut outs...

[b4uqzme]

Well done Alfonse! PM sent.

[Shadetree]

Has anyone come across a set of G10 Grips for the MK9? I did a fair amount of internet searching and came up with nothing. I see that VZ and others make G10s for a decent variety of pistols, but nothing for MK9s.


Have you checked with Bawanna? He can probably make some if he can get the material.

[Cokeman]

Can we get a full body shot?

[Alfonse]

Great photos on how those fit! I have changed the models to bring the fit in closer on the slide stop. The fit around the back strap is a little different than on my frame. But I can sure put more material in there. Looking at it, mine shows less (about 0.010" at the outside), but still some, of that frame corner as well. I've been trying to make the fit like the thinner, factory plastic grip.

If these are popular, I can probably do some different sizes to give some choices for hand size too.

Thanks B4!!!

[Bawanna]

I think the main thing is to not have any proud metal showing. Better to have the grips just a nano over size that a nano too shy.

That's a very tough area to fit properly.

The slide lock area and a couple others are extremely unforgiving. If they aren't perfect there's no metal behind so it just don't look right.

Those are extremely nice and very close to perfection. Really coming together.

[Alfonse]

I will add a bit of material in that back strap fit, and make that a variable radius. We have another frame series to see if I can fit as well.

For those who haven't read the whole thread, the photos are of a plastic, printed prototype that is being used to check the fit on various MK series pistols.

The look is not what the actual production parts would look like. The first run will be in black G10 when the fitting is the best I can make it.

The texture of the grip is also not current as to what seems like the best alternative. An image of the thinking there is below.

Thanks again b4!

http://www.lakechelanforeclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK-Grip-Assembly-Texture-M-Resized.jpg

[Firewire]

http://www.lakechelanforeclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/MK-Grip-Assembly-Texture-M-Resized.jpg

Best design yet!

[HawkeyeFan]

Whatever the price, I'm absolutely in for a set. They're looking incredible. Any plans on running different colors? I'm a sucker for OD green.

[Alfonse]

I can run down to 50 at a time. So, sure colors can be done if enough folks want them.

[Big Sexy]

I'm still in, and I will want colors. If you're trying to keep it simple and run only black, I'd even be willing to send you the G10 blanks in the colors I'd like. Just let me know the blank dimensions you need to work with. You can order a huge variety of color combinations from the various knife-making supply companies.

Just say the word on when you're able to start machining G10 and you can count me in for a set.

Thanks for all your efforts on this project, Alfonse!

[Firewire]

I'm still in, and I will want colors. If you're trying to keep it simple and run only black, I'd even be willing to send you the G10 blanks in the colors I'd like. Just let me know the blank dimensions you need to work with. You can order a huge variety of color combinations from the various knife-making supply companies.

Just say the word on when you're able to start machining G10 and you can count me in for a set.

Thanks for all your efforts on this project, Alfonse!

I like your idea, and maybe it gets to complicated, but man it would be nice if we could send our own blanks if we did want a different color!

[b4uqzme]

PM sent. grips on to berettabone. tracking number sent.

[Alfonse]

Different colors, even different sizes are possible if there is a little bit of demand. I even learned about another material today that could make for some really nice grips too. But, I think Black G10 will be the start.

[Alfonse]

PM sent. grips on to berettabone. tracking number sent.

Thanks! Great photos too. It helps to have others look at it. I stare at something too long and can miss things. After having a look yesterday, it came to me last night how to fix that fit so it should be perfect around the back strap. I should probably make one more set of prototypes to verify it though.

[ReManG]

Thanks! Great photos too. It helps to have others look at it. I stare at something too long and can miss things. After having a look yesterday, it came to me last night how to fix that fit so it should be perfect around the back strap. I should probably make one more set of prototypes to verify it though.

I have a GC sn MK9 if you make another prototype and want another objective fitting review. Just let me know. Put me in for a set of the G10's once you get the file finished as well. No color preference, but if you have enough black orders for a run, I would be up for the next color in the queue...

[berettabone]

Well, I received the prototypes today and checked them out...............as stated by b4, the slide release cutout could be made smaller. I can't comment on the top strap area, because I could not get them to sit flat/flush on top. The grip holes were off by about a 1/16th of an inch, but I could put the screws in relatively easy, without much effort, or stripping the threads. The only problem I saw, was the interior material around the top mounting hole on both sides. It keeps the top part of the grip from sitting flush............If you could eliminate that material, they would fit. I know that these are proto's, and the G10 is different mat'l, but on these, the texturing could be more aggressive. I don't know if this same texturing would feel more aggressive on the G10 mat'l/ or not. If you would like more pics of any areas, let me know............my camera and photo taking skills can leave a bit to be desired:rolleyes:

[Alfonse]

The later frames have a milled area for the internal boss. Yours is like the top of a K series grip.

The options would be to leave the boss out or to put something like three little "posts" in to provide support on the later frames. They could be easily cut out for early versions. How does that sound?

The slide stop fit has been changed and the texture is not representative.

Great photos. I do not see why I can't fit them all.

Thoughts?

[Alfonse]

If you want, go ahead and carve the boss away. That is what prototypes are for!

[berettabone]

I'll try that.............................................. ...

[berettabone]

I marked the areas that were a problem in orange. I Dremeled(is there such a word? ) the areas off, and, voila............................................. .......

[berettabone]

continued........................................

[b4uqzme]

Would it be necessary to leave those areas and require some owners to modify as berettabone did? And would that be acceptable to those who want them? I personally wouldn't mind doing a little fitting to get them perfect. You can always take material away...

[berettabone]

There are still some issues.............in pic 5, I couldn't get those "ears" to sit flat. I had the screws in almost as tight as I could get them. I couldn't get a mag in. The holes, after removing the unwanted mat'l, became brittle and started chipping. I thought about washers, like other firearms manufacturers use, but you still need mat'l for the washer to sit on. This is for smarter minds like Alf to figure out:)

[Alfonse]

The upper and lower holes have different depths on their countersinks on the factory parts and I emulated that on these parts. I was wondering if there would be much material left after grinding out the bosses. Apparently there is not much.

I would love to have a more in detail look at the frame that berettabone has. On the GC and later frames, I was having trouble at first getting the top of the grips to seat and a fillet at the top of the part of the frame that runs down the back strap was the issue. I added a chamfer at the top of the channel that solved that issue.

The way the top of the grip is separated and the ears not fitting makes me think there is something else, probably similar to the fillet on the other frames, that is keeping it apart. I could not see that original fit issue with the fillet, but could feel it pushing up as I slid it into place. It would sit flat until I slid it up against the top of the frame. Once I saw the fillet, a few seconds with a box cutter and I had a chamfer in the early prototype that confirmed that was keeping it from fitting. I can't see enough on the photos to have a good guess as to what the issue might be.

The top screw does screw into the frame further than the lower screw. I could put more material back under the screw, but it might only screw in as far as the lower screws do. I understand they tend to back out sometimes. I'll have a look at that tomorrow.

[Alfonse]

berettabone, also check the surface that runs internally parallel to the slide just below the boss. I was supposed to make it parallel to the top edge of the grip (and the slide) but instead, on these prototypes, made it parallel to the bottom of the grip. There seems to be enough clearance that it did not matter. I did fix it for the next batch.

I don't think that is the issue because it is much wider than the gap at the top of the grip in your photos. The fillet I described above is not on your pistol, from the last photo on entry number 94 on this thread. But, something is holding it apart a bit. I will ponder it.

[berettabone]

I'm not an engineer, and I am not a gunsmith, but I am free, so this is what I figure/did............................................... ...:) I took some material off the places in orange, which were basically the only places touching the vertical edge of the grip, and on the inside curve of one grip, where it was touching. By doing that, the grip screw holes became a bit closer in their alignment, with both grips, and the top " ears" tightened/flushed up a bit. I included pics of my original grips, and if you will notice.........................the part of the grip that I have marked with tape. Both grips, on top, from the edge towards the center, about an 1/8 in. in, are thicker than the inside of the grip. I think that this is what helps keep the top ears nice and flush. It's like they are carved out. It's the best way I can explain it. More material around the edge, less as you go in towards the center. Something to ponder. I have the grip hole alignment pretty close, and the ears close to flush, but that left side ear just doesn't want to flush out............maybe it's a bit warped also. I don't think I can do any more carving, without making them off for even my MK.

[Alfonse]

That helps a bunch. I am adding some material along that curved edge as part of the fix for the fit issues in that area that b4uqzme highlighted for me.

The factory grip goes to a much tighter radius up there leaving the material thicker out towards the edge. That might help with the fit at the top.

I am wondering if the thickness of the frame on the back is different on the earlier frames. That could be a problem trying to fit everything, but since the lower part seemed to fit alright, it is probably worth playing with. There might be a way to make it fit tightly on all of them.

I think to fit the earlier frames, there might be some grinding to do where the boss is/was. But, I think I can adjust the thickness of the screw holes to work alright after grinding. G10 is really strong, so that should help.

Anyway, the feedback is fantastic. The photos are great too. The early MK frames seem to have a grip design like the K series inside and for some reason it was changed later.

[Flieger]

Amazing progress! Being an MK40 lover, I hope this expands to the whole all steel series, but the progress so far is amazing.

GREAT WORK!

[Alfonse]

Alright. I added material around the top of the back strap that b4uqzme pointed out. I think it will be awesome now, with a tighter radius like the factory grip along the curved edge at the top blending into the larger radius in the lower grip. I adjusted it to what should be a nice, close fit as well. That is the most difficult, and time consuming, area to make right on the entire part.

I added some material so the folks with the GA frames, like berettabone, can grind off that top flange and still have material left for the screw to hold onto. It shouldn't interfere with the mag. It will still go in further than the lower screw for everyone else. Oh, and the lower screw will have a bit more engagement. There will be some fitting for the GA frames though.

I also adjusted some other things that I don't think anybody else would notice to make things fit better.

Another, maybe the last set, of prototypes should be on their way to me soon.

[Big Sexy]

Hi, Al --
Just checking to see if there are any updates on finding a shop to machine these out of G10.

Thank you, sir!

[Alfonse]

Here is an update! I have done two additional prototype versions since the ones sent out for evaluation.

First, as far as being able to fit the GA series frames there is some news. The GA series was, I think, designed just like the K series grip. The little boss on the back of the top screw is not there. Relief was cut into the later frames and the boss was added behind that upper screw. The K series grips, and probably the ones on the GA series MKs are 0.550 inches thick compare to the later nylon grips that are 0.500 inches thick. Without going to a thicker grip, if the boss is removed so the grip fits all the frames, the grip screw sticks out when enough material is left to hold the grip on. It would take a thicker grip to make the grips fit the earlier frames. That would also increase the cost, requiring G10 sheet over 0.5 inches thick. So, the GA frames probably don't make sense to include in the G10 grips. I do have some thoughts on doing a polyurethane grip, which stands up to chemicals, ultra-violet, etc. and can even have a soft durometer (soft to the touch) in the future. I suspect Kahr made the changes after the GA serial number so the pistols could be as thin as possible for concealed carry.

Also, the fit at the top of the back strap I have taken a couple revisions to get right after seeing the photos of the tests from other members. The next, and hopefully last, printed prototype should be in my little hands tomorrow. If that fits as I expect it will, I will be ready to start machining G10 parts for the MK series. I do have a shop that will run them.

K series grips add thickness and size. I suspect they would get so pricy in G10 that it gets silly. However, there are other great materials. I do have them mostly modeled and have been incorporating what I learned in the MK series.

I will update again later this week!

[Bawanna]

I hope you got a handle on this my friend from the sunny side of the mountain. I've had nightmares about these grip changes, looks like your making progress.

G10 don't do much for me, I'm a wood guy myself, (big surprise). Maybe when you get caught up on the G10 MK's you can switch to wood or your poly idea. Fingers crossed for yall.

[Shadetree]

They will probably end up fitting most, but probably won't fit GA, GC, or LTD. Some have complained that with thes9 e G prefix serial numbers, they have had to do some carving to get the Kahr wooden grips to fit, then had trouble with the length of the standard screws not being long enough. Some like mine, have a slightly different hole configuration. What year or years they changed the hole spots is unknown as of yet. They're not different by much, at all. Wish I knew the reason for the change for a short time. Frustrating............................

I have an extra set of later than GA MK9 grips if you'd like to borrow them, also have a GA MK9 with the original grips if you need them for measuring and I could loan you both sets.

[Alfonse]

I hope you got a handle on this my friend from the sunny side of the mountain. I've had nightmares about these grip changes, looks like your making progress.

G10 don't do much for me, I'm a wood guy myself, (big surprise). Maybe when you get caught up on the G10 MK's you can switch to wood or your poly idea. Fingers crossed for yall.

I believe I have a handle on the tradeoffs. It looks like I can do any of the MK series that have the little boss under the top screw with the G10 grips. The ones that need carving on the Kahr wood grips are not a problem at this point.

I can always do more later. I kinda like wood myself.

[Alfonse]

I have an extra set of later than GA MK9 grips if you'd like to borrow them, also have a GA MK9 with the original grips if you need them for measuring and I could loan you both sets.

Thanks! I believe I have it covered. I have a late set of grips. I also think I understand the GA grips. They seem to measure just like the K grips until just below the top screw. I also have a GC framed pistol so I can easily check the clearance on that frame.

I think the worst part is getting a good solids model around the fit at the top of the back strap. I did some mods to the prototypes that are pictured earlier in this thread thinking I had it. They came out clunky. So, I redid it. I am thankful that it is pretty easy (and not too expensive) to print some parts for testing. That really helps.

[Big Sexy]

I have the MK40, not the MK9. Mine is an HA series MK40. Given that the Hogue wood grips sold on the Kahr site is supposed to fit both MK9 and MK40, am I correct in saying whatever you develop should also fit my MK40? If not, what is the difference? I have Hogue wood for mine, and it fit perfectly with no modifications.

I would be willing to try a prototype for fit and return it back to you once I verify, if you're interested.

Also, there is a shop not far from where I live that machines polymers, including G10. The shop supervisor is one of my friends. He told me he had been approached to make G10 grips for the Kahr MKs before, but never received an order from the customer. The only downside is he would need some actual grips to work from, as he said they don't have the software to work from a 3D CAD model.

[berettabone]

Sounds like progress.......................................... ..............................

[Alfonse]

I have the MK40, not the MK9. Mine is an HA series MK40. Given that the Hogue wood grips sold on the Kahr site is supposed to fit both MK9 and MK40, am I correct in saying whatever you develop should also fit my MK40?

Also, there is a shop not far from where I live that machines polymers, including G10. The shop supervisor is one of my friends. He told me he had been approached to make G10 grips for the Kahr MKs before, but never received an order from the customer. The only downside is he would need some actual grips to work from, as he said they don't have the software to work from a 3D CAD model.

Yes, MK grips are the same whether for .40 or 9mm, as are the K series. If I remember, you are in Texas. So is the shop I expect to order with. It has taken me longer than I expected to perfect the fit, so it could be me they think has given up. I will follow up with the folks and make sure they know where I am on the project. I was hoping to have the "last" set of prototypes today, but they haven't shown yet. I have a couple of other parts I want to talk with them about too. I'm not sure if it is the same folks or not.

So, yes, there is progress!

[Big Sexy]

If I remember, you are in Texas. So is the shop I expect to order with. I'm not sure if it is the same folks or not.


Yes, I live in Texas. Was it Brenham, TX, by chance? If so, you're talking to the same folks as I am, and Josh (shop supervisor) is a good friend of mine. He used to work in our shop, in fact.

As you may recall from our phone conversation, I too work in a machine shop. Although we could easily make these grips, and I did discuss it with my boss, he doesn't want to introduce G10 or any polymers into our mix because it creates problems with contamination and segregation of our steel chips scrap, which we sell, as well as contaminates the inside of our CNC machines. Plastic shavings would get in every nook and cranny that would be next to impossible to completely clean out and prevent getting into our steel chips. Pllus, if we made them, the only way we could get the price to a reasonable level that people would actually buy the grips would have to involve an agreement to make "X" number of units, and that "X" would have to be a big number to amortize our costs of designing and building fixturing, setup, programming, overhead, etc. If we did it, we'd also have to buy a 5-axis milling machine to really optimize cycle time to meet a competitive price point.

[oio]

Anyone here attempt to use the rubber K9 grips on the MK9?
I first did this years ago when A&G started selling their mag spacers for a +1 capacity

[Alfonse]

All the fit issues are confirmed solved. Stay tuned...

[Alfonse]

Here is what a somewhat crudely printed prototype looks like. This was done to check the fit at the top of the back strap is correct. It is just as Bawanna suggested, slightly proud of the metal. I painted it for the second photo. The actual machined parts will be much crisper in their definition.

http://www.lakechelanforeclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/printed-prototype-resized_edited-1.jpg

And, with some paint on it:

http://www.lakechelanforeclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Prototype-painted-black_edited-1.jpg

Time to start making some parts!

[b4uqzme]

I'm in!!!! :)

[berettabone]

Good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Bawanna]

Looking good Alfonse. Really good.

[Alfonse]

Looking good Alfonse. Really good.

Big Sexy is the one who understood Solidworks well enough (he's pretty much an expert) to tell the relative novice (me) what tools I needed to correctly make the curving radius transition seamlessly into a curving elipse and then wrap up around the top of the pistol. Once he told me HOW to do it, I was able to get it done. He's awesome.

[Big Sexy]

Thanks a bunch for the kind words, Al, but you're a very fast learner! All I did was nudge you in the right direction. Your progression in SW is much faster than me when I first started trying to tackle all of its many tools and functions.

[Alfonse]

There are some extremely knowledgeable folks on this forum. Big Sexy is certainly one of them, thanks. I hope to be able to show some grips soon!

[CPTKILLER]

I just quit worrying about it.

[CapnBill]

Newbie MK9 owner here; it's really a nice little shooter. I'm looking for some different grips for it and was wondering if there are any updates on your G10 grips? Thanks!

[Alfonse]

They will be available May 30th. I will have the real photos up the day before at www.lakelinellc.com.

[berettabone]

Looks like things are moving along.................................:)

[Alfonse]

They are. I could not figure a way to make they work on the GA frames and not have the screws sticking out on the other frames. But, I do have some other parts in the process I can offer you for your help instead.

[Alfonse]

You can now order MK series G10 grips! At least I will know for sure you can order them when someone does successfully on the web sight :)

Here they are: https://lakelinellc.com/product/mk-series-g10-grips/

I think you will really like them.

[Sqrfrk]

Worked for me, but I put the wrong address in my (hopefully reasonable) haste. Any way to change the shipping address?

[Alfonse]

I just saw the order. Change the address by sending an email to info@lakelinellc.com. I will take care of it. Thanks!

[CapnBill]

Worked for me. Thanks!

[Dreams_of_Steel]

Any chance of G10 grips for Kahr T models? I'd like to have some alternates for the wood grips on it now.

[Alfonse]

Well, I will be working on K series grips next. T models would be nice but I have to see how these sell. I would probably change the material since so much would be machined away. There are other materials that would be very cool and not as expensive.

Thanks for the orders guys!!

[Big Sexy]

You can now order MK series G10 grips! At least I will know for sure you can order them when someone does successfully on the web sight :)

Here they are: https://lakelinellc.com/product/mk-series-g10-grips/

I think you will really like them.


Those grips look super nice, Al! Thank you for making this happen!

[Alfonse]

You had a big part in it too. Thanks!

Hopefully we will have some reviews soon.

[berettabone]

Looking good, and I think the metal followers are a good idea!!!!!!!

[Alfonse]

Looking good, and I think the metal followers are a good idea!!!!!!!

Thanks, and thank you for your help in figuring out the fitting on the various versions of the frames.

[Sqrfrk]

You had a big part in it too. Thanks!

Hopefully we will have some reviews soon.
I've been waiting years for an option outside of the Pau Ferro grips. The pattern clasps my hands with confidence as opposed to the factory grips while keeping the original thin and comfortable profile - definitely more comfortable than the thicker wood grips! The G10 fit was perfect and flush.

I've been using the wood ones for so long that I forgot what the black grips felt like...IWB carry feels right again! Thanks for the phenomenal effort - this was undeniably money well spent. Now what to do with those Ferro grips...

[Alfonse]

I've been waiting years for an option outside of the Pau Ferro grips. The pattern clasps my hands with confidence as opposed to the factory grips while keeping the original thin and comfortable profile - definitely more comfortable than the thicker wood grips! The G10 fit was perfect and flush.

I've been using the wood ones for so long that I forgot what the black grips felt like...IWB carry feels right again! Thanks for the phenomenal effort - this was undeniably money well spent. Now what to do with those Ferro grips...

I had never gripped a G10 grip before starting this project. I can't describe how much more securely the hold is compared to the factory grips. Thank you for the report. I am glad you are pleased and if you do have any issues I would be happy to address them.

[Big Sexy]

Awesome! Now, you just need to get the word out. I'll do my part to spread the good news, brother!

The Kahr community has needed this for a long time, and nobody would take up the torch and run with it until now.

Thanks, Al!

[Sqrfrk]

I had never gripped a G10 grip before starting this project. I can't describe how much more securely the hold is compared to the factory grips. Thank you for the report. I am glad you are pleased and if you do have any issues I would be happy to address them.

On a slightly related note, have you thought about manufacturing grip screws? The factory ones got awfully mangled through two different reinstalls and I had to resort to the hex screws from a Colt 380 (I coincidentally had these lying around when I ran across some people successfully using them as replacements screws).

[berettabone]

"mangled through reinstalls".............tsk, tsk, tsk..........:o

[Alfonse]

I've been thinking of ordering some new grip screws myself. My understanding is that 1911 grip screw will work. Bawanna or one of the other experts might come along and confirm. There are so many choices of 1911 screws! There are some that accept both hex or slot, some just made to look cool, and I saw some the other day that claimed to be way stronger than the rest.

The screws in the photos on my website are looking a bit tired, but they've been reinstalled a whole bunch of times. But, I did not want to use anything but the standard grip screws for the photos. Some of the early prototypes did not align all that well either...

[Bawanna]

1911 grip screws are the right thread, they may be a little too long sometimes. Slim grip screws generally are a bit short as I recall but it's been a spell and you know memory and all..................

[Sqrfrk]

"mangled through reinstalls".............tsk, tsk, tsk..........:o
Leave me alone, those wood grips were scary!

[Big Sexy]

Yes, grip screws for a 1911 fit the Kahrs. I replaced my grip screws with Torx head stainless steel screws for 1911. On the slim grips, I had to grind the threaded length back a bit. There's an endless variety of nice looking grip screws for 1911s that you can replace your Kahr slotted screws with. A search on Ebay will generally yield pages and pages of different styles in natural stainless, black, and combination finishes.

[Big Sexy]

If you are undecided on grip choice for your MK and don't have your heart set on wood, I encourage everyone to support our friend Al. He took a risk, stepped up to the plate, and hit a grand slam with these G10 grips. They are super nice, and he needs to be rewarded for taking the initiative in filling a needed niche!

[b4uqzme]

^^^ + 1000. I took a set of wood grips and thinned them down. Now I just took those off to use Al's G10 grips instead. THEY ARE GREAT! Thank you very much Al. :D

P.S. the short Kahr grip screws work fine.

[Bawanna]

^^^ yup what he said too.

[b4uqzme]

^^^ + 1000. I took a set of wood grips and thinned them down. Now I just took those off to use Al's G10 grips instead. THEY ARE GREAT! Thank you very much Al. :D

P.S. the short Kahr grip screws work fine.

Did I mention they are THIN?

[Bawanna]

Wow, those are thin. Perfect with Kahr theme, sex makes you thin, or thin makes you sexy or thin equals sex, crap I'll go check out the ads again, I plumb forgot.

[b4uqzme]

Wow, those are thin. Perfect with Kahr theme, sex makes you thin, or thin makes you sexy or thin equals sex, crap I'll go check out the ads again, I plumb forgot.

I've seen those ads but never did spend much time reading the words... :o

[Alfonse]

Those are great photos. I don't know whether your MK looks better than mine, but your photos sure do!

Were there any guns in those ads?
Thanks.

[Bawanna]

Don't recollect, I was too busy trying to figure out sex.

[b4uqzme]

Lookin' good!

[Big Sexy]

That was my take-away from the Kahr ads... buy a Kahr, and you'll get laid!

[Big Sexy]

Lookin' good!


Looks great!

[b4uqzme]

... Still waiting :rolleyes:

[Bawanna]

Me too.

[airny]

Hello folks,

I'm new here and I was wondering if anyone can assist me of finding a grip for my MK9 GA frame? I would love a wooden grip.

Thank you,

Airny

[berettabone]

Hello folks,

I'm new here and I was wondering if anyone can assist me of finding a grip for my MK9 GA frame? I would love a wooden grip.

Thank you,

Airny

As of this time, I don't think you'll have any luck.................................I can't find any for mine either and have given up, and use a Pachmayr grip sleeve. Works quite well, and gives you a good solid squeeze.......something you need with these firearms.

[Alfonse]

There is a thread about cutting down K9 grips for MK pistols. That should work for the GA frame since the upper screw mount is the same on the K9 and MK9. The thread talks about the softer, rubber grips but it should work for the wood grips too.

Basically, the K9 grips need to be shortened and the lower screw and counter bore added. I think the gentleman who did it used standard drills and it looked great.

[airny]

Thx, I wish someone with woodwork experience would be able to carve the Grip for the GA frame.

[HeaterByMyPeter]

Ordered a set last Weds, received them yesterday. Absolutely thrilled with these grips. They fit like a glove, look great, and have terrific grip. Thanks for going through the trouble of making these, Alfonse. Definitely a great upgrade for my MK9.

[Alfonse]

You are sure welcome. I'm glad you like them and thanks for the order!

[Sqrfrk]

Here's what I got with the used Colt Mustang screws from Cylinder and Slide:
http://vavvi.com/images/2015/06/q0zfbwjxwsjdkqbskzq5.jpg

The screws were the same length as the factory grip screws, which meant that screwing them all the way for me would block the magazine. Five minutes with a file fixed that right up.

[nrccali]

Hello,

I have owned a few Kahrs over the years and sold a couple, and currently have only retained my MK9 Elite. It is a rock solid little pistol, and I love the way it looks and shoots. Very accurate for its size and I prefer it to the PM9. I am excited about LakeLines grips and will be looking into ordering a pair here shortly! I had ordered the checkered wood ones, they were fat and annoying in the IWB holster, and at the range one day shooting Winchester NATO's the side panel cracked. When I bought the woody's I tossed the junk plastic ones, which left me to buy another set of junk plastics, since I was not going to waste my time/money with the wood again. Looking forward to a G10 though! I love the G10 on my other pistols, so once again thanks LakeLine!

[Alfonse]

Sqrfrk,
Those grip screws look nice! Always thankful for pleased customers. Thanks!

[b4uqzme]

Hello,

I have owned a few Kahrs over the years and sold a couple, and currently have only retained my MK9 Elite. It is a rock solid little pistol, and I love the way it looks and shoots. Very accurate for its size and I prefer it to the PM9. I am excited about LakeLines grips and will be looking into ordering a pair here shortly! I had ordered the checkered wood ones, they were fat and annoying in the IWB holster, and at the range one day shooting Winchester NATO's the side panel cracked. When I bought the woody's I tossed the junk plastic ones, which left me to buy another set of junk plastics, since I was not going to waste my time/money with the wood again. Looking forward to a G10 though! I love the G10 on my other pistols, so once again thanks LakeLine!

you'll love 'em. Welcome!

[b4uqzme]

you'll love 'em. Welcome!

The original MK9 grips left me wanting something more substantial to hold onto. The wood grips filled my hand better and were more comfortable but really didn't help me hold onto the gun. Al's grips are thin for carry and the grip is rock-solid.

Enjoy!

[nrccali]

Awesome! I look forward to it! Going to place the order as soon as I pay off this months CC Bill... New furnature for the home is expensive!

[nrccali]

Okay, so they arrived! I put them on and it was like my Kahr just got a fresh paint job, and a new shift nob. What a different in the grip of the gun. I feel like I have full control over this pistol, its not slippery and the grips are still thin! Nice work Al!!!

Question... can you make them for my standard Walther PPK... lol!?

[Alfonse]

Thanks for the nice review!

I just looked of at the PPK and found these that are already available: http://store.mil-tac.com/waltherppksg10gripsblack.aspx

Thanks again!

[nrccali]

You're welcome on the review... they have been great! I've carried the mk9 the past couple days and left the Sig P238 at home because of the higher level of confidence with my grip now.

In regards to the PPK G10 Grips, those are designed for the PPK/S model, and not an original PPK. You can find all sorts of PPK/S grips as they are just a flat panel, its the PPK that there is hardly anything, because of the wrap around on the back of the grip. The Hogue wood grips are bulky and no fun...

Anyways, thanks again!

[HeaterByMyPeter]

Hey Alfonse, just wondering if you had an ETA on the metal magazine followers.

[Alfonse]

Hey Alfonse, just wondering if you had an ETA on the metal magazine followers.

Should be Tuesday.

[HeaterByMyPeter]

Should be Tuesday.

That's awesome news. Thanks.

[nrccali]

Update... Range time with new grips was incredible. I went on lunch. Felt like I had tighter groups and more control! Thanks again Alfonse!

[b4uqzme]

Update... Range time with new grips was incredible. I went on lunch. Felt like I had tighter groups and more control! Thanks again Alfonse!

Yep! Al really knows what "grip" means. ;)

[Alfonse]

Hey Alfonse, just wondering if you had an ETA on the metal magazine followers.

The followers are available to order as of now! Thanks, Al

[Alfonse]

Thanks for all the likes on the G10 grips! I was actually surprised when these were done. I did not have G10 grips on anything and frankly wondered what all the fuss was about. I thought I liked wood better. But, after trying these, I got it. The grip is so much more solid. Anyway, thanks again.

[HeaterByMyPeter]

The followers are available to order as of now! Thanks, Al

Perfect. Just scooped a couple up. Now if you could just make some grip extensions like the Pearce ones, but a bit more robust with side walls that ride up the magazine a tiny bit more to eat up some of the magazine slop, I'd be in heaven. Haha

[Alfonse]

Perfect. Just scooped a couple up. Now if you could just make some grip extensions like the Pearce ones, but a bit more robust with side walls that ride up the magazine a tiny bit more to eat up some of the magazine slop, I'd be in heaven. Haha

I do have some grip extensions coming, starting with the 9mm. They aren't like the Pearce ones though, because they let you put an extra round in the magazine. Using the 6 round magazine on a CM9, MK9, etc. they add just about 1/4 inch to the length (far less than the 7 round mag), give your pinky a place to ride and you get 7 rounds in the mag. Should be about 4 weeks...

[HeaterByMyPeter]

I do have some grip extensions coming, starting with the 9mm. They aren't like the Pearce ones though, because they let you put an extra round in the magazine. Using the 6 round magazine on a CM9, MK9, etc. they add just about 1/4 inch to the length (far less than the 7 round mag), give your pinky a place to ride and you get 7 rounds in the mag. Should be about 4 weeks...

I imagine I'll have to snag those as well. Interested to see how you pull that off.

[Alfonse]

I sure appreciate the business. I'm looking forward to having them to show you.

[nrccali]

Update on the pinky extra round baseplates? I am trying to get my buddy to ditch his Springfield XDs 45 and get a mk40 plus Al's Grips...

[Alfonse]

Update on the pinky extra round baseplates? I am trying to get my buddy to ditch his Springfield XDs 45 and get a mk40 plus Al's Grips...

I've been a bit busy with wildfire stuff, but before that happening they were supposed to be done this week. Soon!

[nrccali]

I've been a bit busy with wildfire stuff, but before that happening they were supposed to be done this week. Soon!


Okay, awesome! Looking forward to it!

[Alfonse]

Okay, awesome! Looking forward to it!

Just followed up with my folks machining the baseplates. It sounds like the end of September at this point.

[Ffjmoore]

Busy with wildfire stuff? That's what paid for my mk9. Now hopefully for a set of these grips. Do you have plans for any other colors?

[Alfonse]

Next are K9 grips in black. What colors would you like see?

[Cokeman]

Navy blue or orange?

[Ffjmoore]

that black and white g10 is cool but i would really dig some od green. i sent a pm about some other material.

[BillDoolin]

The G10 grips I bought from LakeLine
Are groovy. They don't even dig into your spare tire in an IWB holster and improve my grip nicely. I've had Kahrs for twenty years and this is the best aftermarket accessory I have purchased so far.


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[Alfonse]

Aw shucks, Thanks Bill!

[crzoomb]

After reading all 20 pages I believe it's time to sell the wood grips and get a set of these,The look alone is worth the price but functional too...Nicely Done !!!

I have G10 grips on my Spyderco which has seen daily use for 5 years now, no wear on them at all.

[Alfonse]

After reading all 20 pages I believe it's time to sell the wood grips and get a set of these,The look alone is worth the price but functional too...Nicely Done !!!

I have G10 grips on my Spyderco which has seen daily use for 5 years now, no where on them at all.

I guess this thread is a bit of a novel! Thanks, I think you'll like them.

[norrisja]

Hey Alfonse I saw this on another Kahr forum. Type in the link. It's active. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/19/594b0ecc8fe8574a433b6025d3600933.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/19/201a0aa6136205601102b598f4ee0354.jpg


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[Alfonse]

Hey Alfonse I saw this on another Kahr forum. Type in the link. It's active. http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/19/594b0ecc8fe8574a433b6025d3600933.jpghttp://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/19/201a0aa6136205601102b598f4ee0354.jpg


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I sell on ebay as well.

Thanks!

[Alfonse]

That is a nice photo.

[Alfonse]

More MK grip options. I can print nylon, and some other materials, for MK Grips. I can run them in colors, like blue (see the K forum for a photo of the blue color), red and pink. Here is a photo of some nylon grips run in pink:

https://lakelinellc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Lakeline-Pink-nylon-grips-for-the-MK9-or-MK40-image-2.jpg

I was thinking of making a version of the printable grips (they can also be had in black) for the early, GA series. If a few folks want those, I will make the design modifications.

And, if you want something way over the top, I can run them for you in Silver, Gold or even Platinum. Yes, they are expensive. On that note, I could even add spots where you could have your jeweler embed diamonds, if you wanted to carry around your retirement in your holster. :) Here is a view of the platinum version:

https://lakelinellc.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/MK9-or-MK40-grip-in-Platinum.png

Finally, machining aluminum grips is also an option. They don't come out any less expensive than the G10, but could be anodized or Cerakoted in a color or three. You would have to contact me for the printed versions.

[nrccali]

What would the cost be if they were ran in the Blue Printed? Or Raw Aluminum?

Thanks,

[Alfonse]

Printed blue plastic for the MK is $17.50 per side. Raw aluminum I need to run a bunch of sets to make setting up the machining worthwhile.

[Transporter]

Hey Fellas,

Just received a set of Al's G10 MK9 grips. Perfect fit, geometry, and low profile for carry. They look great. Much better than the OEM plastic and much thinner and carry-friendly than the Kahr/Hogue wood grips. Thanks, Al. Shipping was fast as well.

[Kristo]

That's damn good to hear. I would love some of these in ivory micarta, or a linen micarta. I just need to get off my butt and order some g10 ones already..

[Spoiler]

G10 on the way......up next stainless rods for the three pm9,mk9 and P380......

[CPTKILLER]

My Springfield EMP came with them. They are excellent.

[jtdunc]

My Springfield EMP came with them. They are excellent.
Love my EMP 40 but no G10 grips[emoji19]

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[BeerGuy]

These G10 grips look awesome, but I fear they won't fit my MK9 duo tone(serial# LTD 1xx). I know your website said they aren't compatible with GA serial numbers. My guess is that my frame is old enough that it won't work.

[Alfonse]

These G10 grips look awesome, but I fear they won't fit my MK9 duo tone(serial# LTD 1xx). I know your website said they aren't compatible with GA serial numbers. My guess is that my frame is old enough that it won't work.

You can tell by looking at your current grips. If they have a boss on the top screw, like the photo below, they will work fine.

https://lakelinellc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Upper-Frame-Boss-resized.jpg

[BeerGuy]

Thanks for the quick reply and the really fast reply to my email. I don't think they'll work. Too bad.

[Genin]

I gave in and ordered a set today! So much for waiting for after the holidays. I just love G10. Have G10 grips on all my pistols and want them bad for this one too! Order # 3279 lets get some!!! Early bday gift for me and I'll take pics after I get the grips in and installed.

[Alfonse]

I gave in and ordered a set today! So much for waiting for after the holidays. I just love G10. Have G10 grips on all my pistols and want them bad for this one too! Order # 3279 lets get some!!! Early bday gift for me and I'll take pics after I get the grips in and installed.

They will go out tomorrow. Thanks!!

[Genin]

Thank you very much Alfonse. You are the man. I'm looking forward to installing them and adding even more class to this sweet steel beauty.

[boscobarbell]

I was ready to order these tonight but then saw the prohibition against the GA- series MK9s. I know mine is circa 1998, so I fear it is one of those (I can't check it at the moment, as it's locked up at my office).

Wondering if there is a way for someone handy with a dremel to retro-fit these to fit?

Damn, I was really hoping to make this work....

[Alfonse]

It isn't a "prohibition," we like GA frames too! :)

The grips on the GA are thicker, the same as the K series grips. The change Kahr made allowed them to narrow the grips but it took adding the boss to give the screw material to hold onto. If you grind the boss off, the screw will push right through the grip.

You might be able to find, or make, a wafer head type of screw, grind off the boss, and grind relief into the backside where you could epoxy in a washer to the back of the grip or something to give the screw something to tighten against. It would take checking that the head of the screw wouldn't be sticking up above the surface of the grip, hence the wafer head.

[boscobarbell]

It isn't a "prohibition," we like GA frames too! :)

The grips on the GA are thicker, the same as the K series grips. The change Kahr made allowed them to narrow the grips but it took adding the boss to give the screw material to hold onto. If you grind the boss off, the screw will push right through the grip.

You might be able to find, or make, a wafer head type of screw, grind off the boss, and grind relief into the backside where you could epoxy in a washer to the back of the grip or something to give the screw something to tighten against. It would take checking that the head of the screw wouldn't be sticking up above the surface of the grip, hence the wafer head.

Thanks for your quick response. Much appreciated.

Okay, it sounds like this may be a more difficult process than I'd expected. Bummer....

[boscobarbell]

Hallelujah! Checked my MK9 this morning, and was thrilled to find it's a series GC. G10 grips are already ordered and on the way!

[BirdsThaWord]

Does anyone know if Lakeline is going out of business? I find it surpising that they do not have MK9 grips available, being that they are the manufacturer? Really want to order some, along with a mag sleeve and follower.

[BirdsThaWord]

Sorry, actually Al from LL just contacted me. More are being made. Yay!

[Alfonse]

MK grips, actually both MK and K series grips aren't very fast sellers for us. I've found a source for some of the colored layers in the G10, so have been working on that. They aren't our highest priority, but I will get them done. I'm a fan of the metal Kahrs.

Thanks,
Al

[BirdsThaWord]

Thanks Al! I appreciate the response and contact. I wish they were better sellers, as a metal Kahr fan myself. Anxiously waiting! :D

[BirdsThaWord]

I ordered MK9 grips from kahr. I hope they are in stock, not a drop ship scenario?

[Oldman51]

Lakelinellc.com 2 versions of G10 slabs available. I have the black and gray on my mk9. Awesome fit and gripping is perfect.