I am SO glad I read this forum before buying a PM9193

[Nytcrawler93]

New Kahr owner here but plenty of firearms experience. I bought a PM9, model PM9193. If I had not read about these before buying, it would have gotten returned immediately. It looked great, came with 3 mags and was impressive to look at. When I racked the slide though, it felt gritty and had what I would call hitches in the action. This normally would have alarmed me to the point of rejecting the sale. After reading others accounts of buying one I decided to give it a try even with the grit. When I got home, I racked the slide around a 100 times and then disassembled to get the grease out of the gun. It was SUPER tight to disassemble. I cleaned it thoroughly and dry lubed, greased, and oiled only in the recommended areas. After working the slide about 100 more times, it smoothed out. It REALLY smoothed out and the trigger felt like it was about 1/3 the travel of the P9 I tried right next to it (I am assuming that is due to the enhanced trigger). I will get it to the range this week with a full report and take some pics. Still not sure how I feel about the sights and the safety. I am used to Novaks and a 1911 sweep DOWN to disengage safety. I love the trigger pull and plan to try 200 rounds of NATO spec 9mm and two mags of Black Talons to break it in. I also want to try some police Sellier and Bellot which people claim have hard primers. The Black Talon ammo is old and the plating is getting nasty so I will shoot it up. So, thank you all for having an insightful forum which kept me from judging this pistol prematurely.

[Armybrat]

Hope it works to your satisfaction.

Bought my PM9 right after the model was introduced. Only had a couple failures to return to battery (minor) right out of the box. No prep or nothin'. Ran like a champ all the years I had it before passing it on to one of my sons.

[Redstate]

Congratulations. This is a very helpful forum, and glad you too have found it so. Hope you stick around. Look forward to your range report.

[Nytcrawler93]

Congratulations. This is a very helpful forum, and glad you too have found it so. Hope you stick around. Look forward to your range report.

I went to the range this morning. 100 rounds of Sellier and Bellot 115 grain FMJ, 50 rounds Black Talon 127 grain, 25 rounds of Winchester White Box, 100 rounds Winchester 124 grain NATO FMJ. ZERO failures of any kind. No FTE, no FTRTB, No nothing. Accuracy was good if I took my time. I blew through a lot of ammo just to blow through the break in period. So much for reliability issues for a new PM9. My first post covered what I did before going to the range. I took pics of what the weapon looked like after the visit and how it cleaned up. I am a satisfied customer.

[Nytcrawler93]

Here are the picshttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/13199ed9dd4d6458c12a5b64bd0b2c53.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/40c94d3662bc3428341e5fbfa2967409.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/2c46c2cef17b2617bf8ba065d0f21ee4.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/01727204f082cd9f3c4703a45d2c4274.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/4da4eefb89fbe5df89d99900892b4672.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/66af3235f6117bd92735896b5000f5e1.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/b53d395cfd42d9d339d324dae46faa38.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/28/b2249446d70622de3db9ff16c96061f7.jpg


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[Nytcrawler93]

You can definitely tell I was getting sloppy after 200 rounds. Plus, it was an indoor range and the people next to me had to have a howitzer. Not bad for all shots at 21 ft with such a small gun. I think the gun is more accurate than me. I had a hard time with the sights. I think my astigmatism was screwing with me a bit. It kept blurring the line on the rear and the dot on the front.

[Bill K]

Congrats on your new Kahr! You got a good one out of the box, that's great.

[muggsy]

You can definitely tell I was getting sloppy after 200 rounds. Plus, it was an indoor range and the people next to me had to have a howitzer. Not bad for all shots at 21 ft with such a small gun. I think the gun is more accurate than me. I had a hard time with the sights. I think my astigmatism was screwing with me a bit. It kept blurring the line on the rear and the dot on the front.

You might need glasses with a bit of prism to correct for the astigmatism. At 21 feet I can regularly keep seven rounds within a three inch circle at 21 feet when I'm fresh. Your experience with the PM9 is similar to my experience with the poor man's CM9.

[Nytcrawler93]

With my Colt Rail Gun, which has Novak's, I can 10 ring at 30 ft all day. Also, that target is smaller than it appears. :)


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[Nytcrawler93]

I was also shooting way faster than I normally would just to finish the boxes of ammo.


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[Redstate]

Thanks for the range report. Good to hear how successful it was.

[RRP]

I was also shooting way faster than I normally would just to finish the boxes of ammo.


I did that too when I bought my first Kahr. My objective for the first range trip was to put 200 rounds through the gun, to complete the break-in.

In retrospect, that was kind of silly. I would have been far better off to slow down the pace and make every shot count. My goal should have been to master the technique of shooting the tiny sub-compact, rather than slinging lead downrange like I was on a quest to cross-off a chore on my honey-do list. I won't make that mistake anymore. Every shot is a training opportunity.

[Nytcrawler93]

Agreed. Slower practice is more productive. Man, those talons have some pop in that little gun too. I was strictly proving reliability today. Had some old ammo to burn and wanted to make sure I trusted it to carry. I am glad I got the enhanced as well because the trigger is pretty nice.


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[DPR]

New Kahr owner here but plenty of firearms experience. I bought a PM9, model PM9193. If I had not read about these before buying, it would have gotten returned immediately. It looked great, came with 3 mags and was impressive to look at. When I racked the slide though, it felt gritty and had what I would call hitches in the action. This normally would have alarmed me to the point of rejecting the sale. After reading others accounts of buying one I decided to give it a try even with the grit. When I got home, I racked the slide around a 100 times and then disassembled to get the grease out of the gun. It was SUPER tight to disassemble. I cleaned it thoroughly and dry lubed, greased, and oiled only in the recommended areas. After working the slide about 100 more times, it smoothed out. It REALLY smoothed out and the trigger felt like it was about 1/3 the travel of the P9 I tried right next to it (I am assuming that is due to the enhanced trigger). I will get it to the range this week with a full report and take some pics. Still not sure how I feel about the sights and the safety. I am used to Novaks and a 1911 sweep DOWN to disengage safety. I love the trigger pull and plan to try 200 rounds of NATO spec 9mm and two mags of Black Talons to break it in. I also want to try some police Sellier and Bellot which people claim have hard primers. The Black Talon ammo is old and the plating is getting nasty so I will shoot it up. So, thank you all for having an insightful forum which kept me from judging this pistol prematurely.

The PM9193 sure is under appreciated. I have one and I love the shorter length of pull of the trigger. Mine has been very, very reliable though not 100%.

[JohnR]

Wait, shorter trigger pull...?

[RRP]

Wait, shorter trigger pull...?

Yes. This model has an external safety. So, it relies less on a loooong double action pull for safety. Standard Kahrs have a 3/8" trigger pull. The enhanced trigger on this model has a 1/4" pull.

As far as I know, the enhanced trigger is only available on models with an external safety.

[JohnR]

Thanks, I always thought the safety was just an option and the rest was the same.

[Nytcrawler93]

I love the trigger pull. Compared to the P9 in the shop, it was night and day.

[Nytcrawler93]

Took back to the range today and learned a few things. Got night sights installed and wanted to test POA. If I take my time and mind my mechanics, a 5-6 shot group can be had under 2 inches at 21 ft. When I got careless, the first shot would land within an inch of where I wanted and then they would open up quite a bit. I think this is due to my personal issues trying to shoot guns that are this thin and small sight radius. Here is the condition of the PM9 after roughly 200 more rounds shot bringing the total to around 425-450 rounds with no failures AFTER the initial round is chambered. More on that later.http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/d3c961fcd44608c112194bbbbdf116b9.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/9d8c98e2951af8c04d5a06225630902e.jpghttp://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/11/ab0adb76d8118cda08fb7425127d4364.jpg


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[Nytcrawler93]

Here is the rest of the story from the range. 150 rounds WWB 115grain. 50 rounds Sellier and Bellot. No fails that I can contribute to the gun. I had one instance where the second round did not release the striker only to find out the mag was not seated. I think this was me. The gun is WAY more accurate than I am. Like I said before, a proficient shooter can cover a 4-5 shot group with a thumb at 21 ft and I did that a couple times today. Problem is, I can't do it mag after mag. Overall, I can easily keep a pie plate at 21ft. When Kahr says to carry with one in the pipe, do it. Mine is 100% reliable with one in the pipe. The only reliability type thing I have ran across is sometimes the round will nose dive on the 7 rounder when putting the first round in. It would load if I slapped the bottom of the mag. When I got home, I disassembled the mag and found a LOT of gunk in the mag and on the follower. I cleaned it and manually cycled 5 mag loads through. Problem disappeared. I highly recommend anyone with over 400 rounds to disassemble the mags and do the same thing. I like the new night sights and on the first 9 mags I noticed a huge difference in my shooting. Towards the end, I only noticed the front sight. Hopefully, these posts will help someone trying to decide on a Kahr or someone who has minor issues and needs help figuring it out. So, to summarize, 1. Highly accurate. 2. Keep one in the pipe. 3. Keep mags clean. 4. Make sure mags are seated.

[RRP]

So, to summarize, 1. Highly accurate. 2. Keep one in the pipe. 3. Keep mags clean. 4. Make sure mags are seated.

Good advice.

Now with a bit more trigger time, you'll be shootin' ragged holes at 7 yds.

[Ron AZ]

I picked up a used Black Diamond PM9 last year. Guy said it was only a few months old, and the condition supported that. But you never can tell. After jumping through hoops (both back to the factory) to get my 2 P380's humming along smoothly, I was a little bit apprehensive about what I would see with the PM9.

I was pleasantly surprised … no issues … have not had to do anything. I can not swear that there has never been a stovepipe with a dirty gun at the end of a long shooting session with a particular ammo. But if it has, it is so rare that I don't recall any failures.

My PM9 has become my most carried CCW!

[RRP]

I picked up a used Black Diamond PM9 last year. Guy said it was only a few months old, and the condition supported that. But you never can tell. After jumping through hoops (both back to the factory) to get my 2 P380's humming along smoothly, I was a little bit apprehensive about what I would see with the PM9.

I was pleasantly surprised … no issues … have not had to do anything. I can not swear that there has never been a stovepipe with a dirty gun at the end of a long shooting session with a particular ammo. But if it has, it is so rare that I don't recall any failures.


This mirrors my own experience with a PM9.

[OvalNut]

Here is the rest of the story from the range. 150 rounds WWB 115grain. 50 rounds Sellier and Bellot. No fails that I can contribute to the gun. I had one instance where the second round did not release the striker only to find out the mag was not seated. I think this was me. The gun is WAY more accurate than I am. Like I said before, a proficient shooter can cover a 4-5 shot group with a thumb at 21 ft and I did that a couple times today. Problem is, I can't do it mag after mag. Overall, I can easily keep a pie plate at 21ft. When Kahr says to carry with one in the pipe, do it. Mine is 100% reliable with one in the pipe. The only reliability type thing I have ran across is sometimes the round will nose dive on the 7 rounder when putting the first round in. It would load if I slapped the bottom of the mag. When I got home, I disassembled the mag and found a LOT of gunk in the mag and on the follower. I cleaned it and manually cycled 5 mag loads through. Problem disappeared. I highly recommend anyone with over 400 rounds to disassemble the mags and do the same thing. I like the new night sights and on the first 9 mags I noticed a huge difference in my shooting. Towards the end, I only noticed the front sight. Hopefully, these posts will help someone trying to decide on a Kahr or someone who has minor issues and needs help figuring it out. So, to summarize, 1. Highly accurate. 2. Keep one in the pipe. 3. Keep mags clean. 4. Make sure mags are seated.

I'll take it a step further: I highly recommend to disassemble and clean all new magazines for any gun. Just like a new gun, you've got to clean out any manufacturing debris, packing lubricants, and post production gunk. I noticed that the PM9 mags had an almost tacky feel to them when brand new, likely some sort of coating for storage/shipping. Disassembly and a light wipe down of the parts with Rand CLP then a dry rag, reassembly, and they were good to go. Squeaky clean smooth.

My experience with the PM9193 has been exemplary. I had 1 FTE at about 70 rounds, and zero issues since then with well over 1,000 accurate rounds down the pipe. Great gun! It is my EDC and I trust it completely.

Oh, and the enhanced trigger? Wonderful. Moderate take up with a true predictable break.


Tim

[Stingray]

Glad you're enjoying your new PM9. I bought a new one in December which now has over 1000 trouble free rounds of thru it, of all ammo types. Mine is the no safety version, that comes with a Crimson Trace laser. I got a smoking hot deal on it, $525 shipped. This gun has far exceeded my expectations and is my most trusted carry gun. It has the reliability of a Glock, and it fits in my pocket no matter what pants I wear. I should have bought 2 while they were at that price.

As as far as cleaning mags, I've always found that wiping the insides and spring with silicone spray on a swab after cleaning makes a big difference.

The only mod I've made is to add the grip panels from their website. They're excellent, I wish that company made them for my other guns. I will probably add tru-glo tfx sights at some point.