Is you Kahr hot? Always.......?

[Gene Hackman]

My defense pistol is a sig p250 sc 40 but it has issues. Fail to feed issues. Sig had it and said it didn't malfunction for them so they didn't do anything and sent it back. It still failed for me but I bought a new recoil spring which seemed to help the fail to feeds but now the slide doesn't cycle reliably. It is preferred because of the DAO action. But it isn't reliable. I'm thinking of switching to the kahr ct9. I would keep it hot all the time. Anyone else? what do you think? That will be my last sig btw. The sig was bought brand new in 2014 and sig sauer isn't offering any solutions.

[RRP]

There have been threads in the past querying whether or not one carries with a round in the chamber. Overwhelmingly, the answer is "yes".

[Gene Hackman]

There have been threads in the past querying whether or not one carries with a round in the chamber. Overwhelmingly, the answer is "yes".

What about storage too? Chambered 24/7 365

[kahrnut1]

yes

[TheTman]

Yes, as long as kids cant get to it. I keep several guns in that condition hidden around the house. No kids here.

[Gene Hackman]

Yes, as long as kids cant get to it. I keep several guns in that condition hidden around the house. No kids here.

I'm referring specifically to my kahr. Some guns shouldn't be stored chambered all the time.

[KingWulfgar]

Both mine are always chambered and ready to pull the trigger on. When not on me, they sit in the safe in their holsters.

[LD48750]

I'm referring specifically to my kahr. Some guns shouldn't be stored chambered all the time.

Which guns would that be?

All the pistols in my house are loaded & hot 24/7/365.
Never had a problem nor heard of anyone else having one.
What is it you fear happening?

[Longitude Zero]

Which guns would that be?

All the pistols in my house are loaded & hot 24/7/365.
Never had a problem nor heard of anyone else having one.
What is it you fear happening?

My question too. ALL handguns can be stored with a round in the chamber with no issues. Just make sure uneducated hands cannot get to it.

[ucurboy]

According to one expert/author the most dangerous moment in pistol manipulation is when working the slide.
I'll admit that it is counter intuitive to me, but the author makes a valid argument that it is safer to have a round chambered (and properly holstered).

[berettabone]

I would continue to hammer Sig, and try for better results. If not, if I was not familiar with any kind of gunsmithing, I would find a reputable gun guy/gal, that could get your firearm running right. It does no good, to have a non working firearm sitting around, the problem needs to be solved. I would not sell a firearm to anyone, that wasn't in "working" condition. My MK stays hot always, as do my other strategically placed firearms. The ones in the safe, no, but they probably should be................................................ ..........................

[Ken L]

My Kahr is "hot" 24/7. The only time it isn't is when I am out of town and haven't taken it, then it's locked in the safe.

[rjt123]

All my handguns are loaded 24/7/365. They are either on my person, in the safe, or on the nightstand (swapped for that day's carry weapon as soon as I get up and get dressed for the day).

[b4uqzme]

The Kahr I am carrying is "hot" around the clock. They do get unloaded for long term storage. Not because they need to be...it's just my preference.

Sorry to hear about your Sig. Sig is usually good stuff.

[deadeye]

My Kahr is hot 24/7. However. I do believe in "gun control". My guns are in MY control 24/7.

[Bawanna]

Everything in my safe and man cave are unloaded. My carry line up stays on me or in my bedroom on the dresser.

The carry line up remains loaded 24/7. If I make a switch the new carry piece is loaded and the old is unloaded and put in the safe.

I just switched from my Cbob to my Remington yesterday. Same ammo, same mag, same holster just different gun.

My Kahr PM45 never gets switched so it stays in it's ankle holster chambered 24/7 year round.

I never store guns in my safe in the holster, I want the gun to breath and not be near moisture attracting leather.

I agree that most incidents are gonna happen in loading or unloading.

[JustinN]

When I carry my K9, there is a round in the chamber. When it goes in my night stand, I empty the chamber, but keep the mag inserted. I have a three year old running around so I don't want the gun to be "hot" and she couldn't be able to chamber a round, so it's close to ready, but far enough I feel alright in case she ever got in there when she wasn't supposed to.

So far she has been really good about repeating "we don't touch daddy's guns, its dangerous" and simply pointing at them anytime one is laying somewhere, but I also don't trust a 5lb trigger to prevent a tragedy.

[hardluk1]

My carry pistols are only unloaded to changed mags or to clean. Last thing I want to do as have ammo that's cleared from the pistol and rechamber or reloaded into the mag.

Now your sig ?? Take a friend you respect as a shooter alon g with the old recoil spring and sit back and let that person run your pistol with the ammo he like to use just to see if its ammo or the shooter as it can be ether one. If the ammo is the same , change bands . I have bought handguns at the range from mad owners that had issues they could not get beyond and I had none . Great reliable handguns . That include my first kahr . Not always the firearms fault .

Don't get the hot thing . I have pocket carried a cm9 for years between a carpenters tool pouch and my thigh. I expect no issues and never had any. People put handguns in cars . WE all know a cars interior gets hot , far hotter than on your person .

[Bawanna]

I think when he said "hot" he meant loaded chamber, not on the dash board in Arizona in mid summer.
Least ways, that's the way I read it.

Justin, you need to condition Saoirise to only touch daddy's guns when daddy says it's ok. Don't treat em like cigarettes or booze and make it a novelty.

All three of my kids, I could leave my guns on the coffee table with their toys all around it and they wouldn't touch it.
If I asked them to hand it to me they would extremely carefully do so.
Freinds kids would bee line for it nearly every time, I trained a few friends kids too.

The beauty of this system is if she is ever at a friends house and discovers guns there and they want to play with them, she will do the right thing and discourage it or failing that leave the house and tell you or an adult about it before somebody gets hurt. Most importantly "her".

[BEARDOG]

Yes you can leave your kahr loaded 24/7.
I assume you are asking if you can keep it "hot" or chambered due to any safety issues ?

If so, the design of a Kahr is very safe. When "cocked" the striker is not storing enough energy to fire a round with out further effort on your part by pulling the trigger completely to the rear .

Also there is a striker block safety that is blocking the forward movement of the striker to contact a primer till the trigger is retracted completely to the rear. So it would be just about impossible to have one "go off" without pulling the trigger.

My Kahrs are kept always loaded, and always holstered.

[RUT]

>>Is you Kahr hot? Always.......?<<
Yes, me Kahr is always hot.

[timboy]

24-7

[Gene Hackman]

My carry pistols are only unloaded to changed mags or to clean. Last thing I want to do as have ammo that's cleared from the pistol and rechamber or reloaded into the mag.

Now your sig ?? Take a friend you respect as a shooter alon g with the old recoil spring and sit back and let that person run your pistol with the ammo he like to use just to see if its ammo or the shooter as it can be ether one. If the ammo is the same , change bands . I have bought handguns at the range from mad owners that had issues they could not get beyond and I had none . Great reliable handguns . That include my first kahr . Not always the firearms fault .

Don't get the hot thing . I have pocket carried a cm9 for years between a carpenters tool pouch and my thigh. I expect no issues and never had any. People put handguns in cars . WE all know a cars interior gets hot , far hotter than on your person .

The sig fails to chamber a round when you hit the slide release too. sometimes you can hear and feel it almost jam other times it just jams as if the rim isn't at the right spot under the extractor.

[Gene Hackman]

Sig wants me to send them video footage of the failures happening in action. I usually go to the range alone. It's just a dinky little hole in the wall 5 lane range. Hey, I don't know you but will you film me shooting my pistol until I get a jam. thanks.

[Pointblank]

If you don't plan on keeping a round in the chamber then Kahr is not for you. Kahr recommends chambering by using the slide lock lever, not "slingshotting". This would be next to impossible in an emergency.

[Gene Hackman]

If you don't plan on keeping a round in the chamber then Kahr is not for you. Kahr recommends chambering by using the slide lock lever, not "slingshotting". This would be next to impossible in an emergency.

I'm aware. Are you a cop? Do you carry a kahr?

[hardluk1]

Try new ammo made from a different company. Is your problem ammo by chance WWB. Been root of many problems .

Pointblank All of mine rack like and pistol should. My cm9 is the smoothest to rack slowly of the 12 pistols we own . Heavily sprung but smooth . Just have the get a full pull to the rear with a clean release . Nothing special about it. How you train is how you do it in an emergency .

[Gene Hackman]

Try new ammo made from a different company. Is your problem ammo by chance WWB. Been root of many problems .

Pointblank All of mine rack like and pistol should. My cm9 is the smoothest to rack slowly of the 12 pistols we own . Heavily sprung but smooth . Just have the get a full pull to the rear with a clean release . Nothing special about it. How you train is how you do it in an emergency .

Are you referring to my sig? dude, I've tried everything. It will do it with any ammo. The new spring may have helped the problem but now it doesn't cycle reliably.

[SlowBurn]

If you don't plan on keeping a round in the chamber then Kahr is not for you. Kahr recommends chambering by using the slide lock lever, not "slingshotting". This would be next to impossible in an emergency.

I carry Israeli, but practice slingshotting my Kahrs every time I dry fire with snap caps and every time I go to the range. Its not as forgiving as slingshotting a Glock, but practice takes care of that. Once you get in the habit of a firm rack and clean release it becomes subconscious like anything else.

I don't want to go into the whole debate re advantages/disadvantages, which I think is very individual. But while on the subject want to admit and bring up one down side to my way I haven't seen discussed. For us, it may be even MORE important to practice unloading the gun once a round is chambered than to practice racking the first round.

At the range we tend to empty the mag and so not think about unloading. But there may be times when we rack a round and then don't fire or fire less than a full mag. If we're used to carrying with the chamber empty, we need to get the round out safely and reload the mag to get the gun back to the condition we're used to.That means DROP THE MAG FIRST, THEN EJECT THE ROUND. Point in a safe direction, pull the trigger, replace the mag, good to go.

In a low stress no pressure situation with time to think about it, it's simple and logical. But its not intuitive. Under excitement or pressure, people can get the order mixed up and not realize that in ejecting the round they loaded another round. Then ... drop the mag, pull the trigger, and BANG. I've seen it happen.

I practice unloading the chamber, both with a round in and when the chamber should be empty. Drop the mag, rack the slide. Drop the mag, rack the slide, etc.

[Ron AZ]

Gene, Of course I carry my Kahr's hot 100% of the time. I often carry a different gun than I use for HD.

At home, I have a simple rule … if it is in my gun safe IT IS SAFE. If it is in my carry rotation, the mags are loaded, and to fit in the case, one of the loaded mags is partway in the gun. But, chamber is empty and decocked, verified by me.

If it is out of the safe, either on me, by my bed, where I undress and lay my CCW of the day, it is hot. It is only my wife & myself at home and when my granddaughter visits, everything is SAFE in the safe and locked up.

[Armybrat]

Of course - one in th' pipe always!
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[southern thunder]

alway chambered, all the time.

[rsu11]

One in the tube here, too, but will add that I use nylon holsters for my stored pistols also. Most are unloaded while stored, but those in my carry group stay "hot" and holstered. This prevents a trigger from being pulled when reaching into the safe, keeps the guns from being nicked up, and the semi-auto holsters include a mag pouch so both the pistol and the extra mag are together. Just makes things easier. The only exceptions are two HD guns in small gun vaults in the house. Don't want holsters in those.

When going to the range, at least one of my carry guns will go with me in it's storage holster, untouched from it's carry condition. I'll then do a rapid fire mag dump, reload with the extra mag and do it again. I haven't had a malf yet with this process, but if I did, that particular pistol would get a lot of scrutiny, TLC and more testing before being carried again. Ammo is 9mm Golden Saber 124gr BJHP, which runs fine in my carry Glocks and Kahrs.

Hope this wasn't too off-topic, but we seemed to be getting into carry and storage methods. Sorry about the trouble with your Sig!

[89grand]

Not having a round in the chamber is about as convenient and smart as having a car with no gas in the driveway, with a full gas can near by.

[ltxi]

^ I really like that!

[dbracin]

My defense pistol is a sig p250 sc 40 but it has issues. Fail to feed issues. Sig had it and said it didn't malfunction for them so they didn't do anything and sent it back. It still failed for me but I bought a new recoil spring which seemed to help the fail to feeds but now the slide doesn't cycle reliably. It is preferred because of the DAO action. But it isn't reliable. I'm thinking of switching to the kahr ct9. I would keep it hot all the time. Anyone else? what do you think? That will be my last sig btw. The sig was bought brand new in 2014 and sig sauer isn't offering any solutions.

I would NEVER carry a gun that was not ready to use. Period.

[Pointblank]

I'm aware. Are you a cop? Do you carry a kahr?

Retired and I do these days.

[Gene Hackman]

I would NEVER carry a gun that was not ready to use. Period.

Yeah I agree. My dad is an ex cop/dective and went from carrying a 40 or 45 to a sig p238 unchambered because single action only he isn't comfortable carrying it hot with the hammer cocked.

[muggsy]

Anyone who carries without a round in the chamber is carrying an empty gun. There is no guarantee that the first round will chamber and you had better make sure that you can chamber a round one handed in case you are wounded before you can get your gun into action. All guns in storage should be unloaded for the safety of others. All guns that are carried should be fully loaded 24/7. Gun safety is no accident.

[tom.p]

When I carry my K9, there is a round in the chamber. When it goes in my night stand, I empty the chamber, but keep the mag inserted. I have a three year old running around so I don't want the gun to be "hot" and she couldn't be able to chamber a round, so it's close to ready, but far enough I feel alright in case she ever got in there when she wasn't supposed to.

I agree. I have a little one on the way, so I'm trying to train myself for child safety habits now. If the gun is on me, it needs to be ready to use (chambered). If I really have the need to use it, I'll only have a split second to draw and fire. If it's not on me, I'd rather build in a little extra safety by leaving it unchambered. I practice enough that it doesn't add much time to rack the slide, especially taking into account the time I already have to take to retrieve the gun.
Like Justin said, no little kid is going to be able to rack the slide on my Kahr to chamber it. My wife has a hard enough time doing it. Of course, there is no substitute for teaching them proper firearms safety...but I'd still rather take the extra step on my part.

[Bawanna]

I agree. I have a little one on the way, so I'm trying to train myself for child safety habits now. If the gun is on me, it needs to be ready to use (chambered). If I really have the need to use it, I'll only have a split second to draw and fire. If it's not on me, I'd rather build in a little extra safety by leaving it unchambered. I practice enough that it doesn't add much time to rack the slide, especially taking into account that I already have to take to retrieve the gun.
Like Justin said, no little kid is going to be able to rack the slide on my Kahr to chamber it. My wife has a hard enough time doing it. Of course, there is no substitute for teaching them proper firearms safety...but I'd still rather take the extra step on my part.

Just hope your not carrying your little one when you need to grab that gun. The little kid can't chamber for you and your hands are full. Not good.

If I was pocket carrying a 238 I'd probably go unchambered too but that won't be happening any time soon.
With kids of any age, knowledge is power and safety. Can't start teaching them too early.

[Bikehiker]

Although I am very concerned about safety, I have come to realize that my carry gun should be hot. Although my CW 380 came with a nice little trigger lock, it's only good for long period safe keeping/storing--or maybe your night table drawer if kids are around. The CW 380 is fairly inherently safe because of its double action-only workings. And if I holster the CW, there is less worry about an inadvertent firing. However, because I sometimes want to benefit from the extreme small size of this 380, I prefer it to be as bare in my pocket as possible. So I have looked into some small trigger protectors. Two sites below may help someone to choose this method of carry. So far I have purchased the Garrison Grip (second website below) and I now feel better about bare carry. The Garrison Grip is a little rubber spool-like cylinder that slips behind the trigger. It is tough enough to stop an accidental trigger pull, and easy enough to poke through and release the trigger in a split second so the trigger can be pulled. It MAY be a little better than a safe switch in that it is more noticeable when you are stressed to shoot and you are less inclined to forget the obvious red colored safety item sitting behind your trigger. To each his own, but I am feeling a lot safer with handling the gun, and it is still hot and ready to go, still fitting in most of my pockets. The Garrison Grip does not widen this narrow CW. An additional benefit of this trigger protector is this: Not many people like to state this, but some of our best friends who mean well, do NOT appreciate gun safety as some of the rest of us. I have seen "experienced" gun owners in gun shops take a gun and the first thing he/she does is slip his finger in the trigger guard and place his finger on the trigger--and point in any #@&%* direction. Yes, I know the gun shop dealer did check to be sure that the gun was unloaded. So did the recent instructor at a gun show about a few months ago, and the customer pulled the trigger and shot herself anyway. "I (instructor) was sure it was unloaded." I hesitate to let some of my friends handle my guns. If you choose to show your gun to someone, this additional trigger stop could be an additional safety to protect from inadvertent hot or dry firing.
http://aegisarmory.us/shop/kydexholsters/the-guardian-kydex-trigger-guard/
http://www.garrisongrip.com/quick-release-trigger-stays/

[ltxi]

Normally when I hand a gun to a friend to look at it's with the action open. If it's not and they don't check it themselves or at least observe me doing so immediately before handing it to them it's the last of my firearms they get to handle.

Denver gun show tomorrow and I've practicing my juke and dodge moves for the past few days.

[muggsy]

Everything in my safe and man cave are unloaded. My carry line up stays on me or in my bedroom on the dresser.

The carry line up remains loaded 24/7. If I make a switch the new carry piece is loaded and the old is unloaded and put in the safe.

I just switched from my Cbob to my Remington yesterday. Same ammo, same mag, same holster just different gun.

My Kahr PM45 never gets switched so it stays in it's ankle holster chambered 24/7 year round.

I never store guns in my safe in the holster, I want the gun to breath and not be near moisture attracting leather.

I agree that most incidents are gonna happen in loading or unloading.

+1 Every once in awhile Bawanna says something that makes good sense. This statement happens to be one of those rare occasions. Good work, Bawanna.

[Bawanna]

Consider me blushing. A rare occurrence indeed.

[LD48750]

Consider me blushing. A rare occurrence indeed.

You blushing or Muggsy saying something nice about you?

[Bawanna]

Muggsy saying nice things cept about Jocko. I blush all the time, I'm blushing now.

[ltxi]

^ Methinks that be due to the Scotch.

[el_presidente]

One is always in the chamber. It'd be like storing my gas outside of my car.