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bilbo
02-09-2015, 11:06 AM
Hi All,

I've never really been one to modify my guns but I've grown attached to my CM9 and find myself wanting to "make it my own". Like many, my eyesight is getting worse with age. After investigating XS Big Dot sights I just couldn't justify $150-$200 for sights on a $299 gun. I have access to a machine shop so I figured I'd try my hand at making my own. While researching this goal I went looking for the largest diameter fiber optic I could find. That led me to the TruGlo .120" Fat Bead universal shotgun sight... which is more-or-less exactly what I was going to try and build. A couple days later Amazon dropped one off for a paltry $14.

First order of business was to carefully remove the front sight. I clamped the original sight in a smooth vise. I then used a soldering torch to carefully heat up the mushroomed ends while gently pulling up on the slide. The sight popped right out leaving the mounting nubs intact so I can replace it if I choose.

Next I drilled and tapped a 3-56 hole directly between the two factory holes. You might be able to do this with hand tools if you are *really* good, but I wouldn't try it. I used an old Bridgeport to drill hole then locate the tap.

You are pretty much at the mercy of where the tap starts cutting the threads as to where the sight will line up. I shaved down the base of the sight until it squared up tight... Actually, I went a little too far and ended up using a piece of foil as a shim. A bit of blue threadlocker and it was on. (I have new found respect for people how manage to take great pistol pictures with a phone.)

http://www.borton.org/images/guns/frontsight.jpg
http://www.borton.org/images/guns/sightpicture.jpg

After several tries these where the best pics I could get. The sight picture above is not really how it appears to my eye so I 'shopped the dot bigger to approximate how it actually looks to me:

http://www.borton.org/images/guns/sightpicture-modified.jpg

Honestly, I thought it was going to fly right off... But, after 100 rounds of WWB and 50ish rounds of misc SD ammo, it is seemingly still firmly attached. Using the sight picture above the impact point is "combat" style, right behind the dot. My accuracy suffered a bit at distance but I can still keep all rounds on a 8.5"x11" piece of paper pretty easily at 30'. It does seem to me that the large FO dot is easier to pick up than the factory white dot sight accept at extremely low light levels.

So far I'm pleasantly surprised at the results of this experiment. I'm going to shoot it like this for a while and see how long term durability is. Perhaps my accuracy will get better with more practice. I'm thinking of serrating the front of the slide and perhaps a bit of a melt. If I decide I like this sight I will probably order another one (and be more careful) so I don't need the shim. Otherwise I may go to one of the Dawson front sights. They seem to be highly regarded.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share my experiment...

BEARDOG
02-09-2015, 11:29 AM
Nice work!

I have been thinking about doing almost the same thing to my kahr CM45.
I have considered using a Glock front XS Big dot (this will take some precision filing to shape the hole)
Or a screw on Meprolight shotgun front sight as it is a lot like a Big dot, but much cheaper.

But, I contacted Ameriglo recently about them making their sights for Kahr firearms. And I was told that they are working on them, and they should be released in the spring. So I am going to wait and see if I can get a Hack or Cap set from them for mine.

el_presidente
02-09-2015, 08:04 PM
Nice job! I'm extremely impressed. You wanna do mine next? ;)

gb6491
02-09-2015, 10:20 PM
Nice work!

I have been thinking about doing almost the same thing to my kahr CM45.
I have considered using a Glock front XS Big dot (this will take some precision filing to shape the hole)
Or a screw on Meprolight shotgun front sight as it is a lot like a Big dot, but much cheaper.

But, I contacted Ameriglo recently about them making their sights for Kahr firearms. And I was told that they are working on them, and they should be released in the spring. So I am going to wait and see if I can get a Hack or Cap set from them for mine.
I totally agree, nice work bilbo!

That's good news from Ameriglo. I have the "Hack" sights on my XD-s and really like them. Thanks for sharing that BEARDOG.:)

Regards,
Greg

Bill K
02-10-2015, 07:52 AM
I'm impressed by the talent I see so often demonstrated here on this forum. Nice job!

bilbo
02-10-2015, 10:11 AM
Thanks guys. I'm a little surprised there aren't more sight options for what seems to be one of the most popular CC firearms. I'm looking forward to seeing what Ameriglo comes out with. That Meprolight shotgun sight looks like it might be perfect for my 18" 11-87. Hmm...

Baklash
02-10-2015, 08:52 PM
Good job bilbo. Your next one will probably be perfect. I ,too, don't want to pay $150 for a sight for a $350 gun, but I don't have the talent or confidence to start drilling or cutting, etc. Heck, I wouldn't even try to smooth off the sharp slide serrations. So I got the gunsmith to do it with a perfect size ceramic stone for $30.

bilbo
02-23-2015, 11:29 AM
Just a quick follow-up. I have 300 rounds through it now. Below are a few targets from this weekend. The first is the first target of the day: 10 rounds at 30'. Around 50 rounds in I tried a "dot torture" target at 15'. I completely missed with a few shots. lol. My worst dot was 5. (Right hand unsupported.) I missed the hole up on the 2 dot when I circled that group. I'm not sure what happened with 6 and 7 dots. I either shot "1 and 1" one time when I was supposed to shoot "2 and 2" or I missed completely with two shots... both are possible. The last target was the last of the day: 12 rounds at 30' There are a couple fliers but overall the group tightened up a bit from the first target. So far I'm still pretty happy with this experiment.

http://www.borton.org/images/guns/three-sm.jpg