Why he doesn't like Kahr.

[GA_Sheepdog]

I'm sure many of you have seen this before but what do you think about this video? Everyone has a right to their own opinions and views. Some of use prefer different types of guns and triggers. I happen to love both Glock and Kahr triggers. Each weapon has thier own roles and purposes. To me, Glock is to a duty weapon as Kahr is to a CCW. They both fit a certain role and both do it well. I do not agree with his opinion of the Kahr trigger but he does make some valid points.



http://youtu.be/q_syz38TCXg (http://youtu.be/q_syz38TCXg)

[Longitude Zero]

His opinion is his opinion. It has no more value than that. Folks like him on FoolTube IMHO are for the most part blowhards. Folks like Hickok45 have credibility due to tenure.

[GA_Sheepdog]

His opinion is his opinion. It has no more value than that. Folks like him on FoolTube IMHO are for the most part blowhards. Folks like Hickok45 have credibility due to tenure.


Thats why you have to take what these guys say with a "Grain of salt". I do get a kick out of all the wanna be weapons experts that have flooded YouTube over the years. I do however like Hickok45, especially the way he chuckles after blowing up a 2 liter of soda. ;)

[kenemoore]

I like Hickok45 also, he appears to enjoy every gun he holds, and is an excellent shot.

[SlowBurn]

Started to watch this one but long preamble full of "I" turned me off. As H45 says, "life is good." But it's also short.

[b4uqzme]

I tried to skip forward to what he had to say about the trigger so I have no idea what I missed. However, the things he doesn't like about Kahr triggers is exactly what I like about them. As LZ says...we all have our opinions.

[Bill K]

I think the fellow could have made his main argument as effectively, whether one agrees with his argument or not, in 2-3 minutes. The 12+ minute video wasted about 10 minutes of my time.

I'd be interested in what the valid points are that you think he made. They might be worth discussing in this thread so that we might learn from one another.

[JohnR]

Hickock seems to find something good in every gun. I'm not even interested in hearing what some blowhard says about Kahr, I know what I like.

[muggsy]

The fact that the comments for this video have been removed and disabled says a lot. IMHO the guy is an A-hole who knows very little about firearms. S&W sold a lot of fine guns with a very similar trigger pull. All Kahr pistols are excellent concealed carry guns. His screen name of Humans for Targets says a lot about him, too. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[kahrseye]

Kahrs are known for their long smooth trigger. That's what attracted me to them. I find it odd that the comment feature on that video was disabled. Did he want to give his opinion without anyone rebutting because he knew others would slam him? Others that know the Kahr product much better than him?

[marshal kane]

IMO, the Kahr trigger is just like what you would find on a DAO revolver and I see nothing wrong with that. Just have to adapt to it. All of the comments about the reset point, need to know when the striker will release, need to get the shot off in a split second, is just opinion. Personally, if I could withdraw from a potential gunfight without firing a shot that would be fine with me.

[Armybrat]

Haters gonna hate.

The Kahr bashing goes on a lot at most of the big gun boards. Funny thing though, go read the all brand/model specific forums and see all the complaints about malfunctions/breakages/QC/kabooms etc. Kimber/Glock/Sig/HK/Colt/S&W/Ruger.... whatever... same stuff. No brand is immune, and Internet complaints are not a sure indicator of a brand's reliability.

[WMac19]

Similar to YankeeMarshall's assertion that Kahrs ride entirely on polymer rails, it's one man's opinion. One is completely wrong and the other is mere opinion but both are a waste of time.

[GA_Sheepdog]

I think the fellow could have made his main argument as effectively, whether one agrees with his argument or not, in 2-3 minutes. The 12+ minute video wasted about 10 minutes of my time.

I'd be interested in what the valid points are that you think he made. They might be worth discussing in this thread so that we might learn from one another.



I dont agree with his opinion of the Kahr trigger but like I said its his opinion. As far as the valid points, it's still just his opinion. I was referring to the slack take up and reset of the Glock trigger. I do like the ability to be able to take up the slack out of the trigger which in turn pretty much makes it like a S/A trigger and then have a short reset. I don't know if he is LE or just a fan boy of the Glock. I will tell you in my experience I've never held a suspect at bay with my finger on the trigger with the slack taken out. I have heard of officers doing that and Im not gonna question why or why they did not have to take up the slack of the trigger. It's all in their perceived threat during that particular incident. We are however taught to take up the slack and after the shot, let the finger move forward until the reset during qualifications. In the heat of the moment it's said that training takes over but I'm not going to be concerned with taking up slack or waiting until I hear the audible click from the trigger resetting.


Maybe I'm totally wrong but that's just my opinion. I also love the Kahr trigger for what the weapon was designed for which is a CCW. Thanks for the replies and I was just curious on everyones opinions on this video.

[GA_Sheepdog]

Similar to YankeeMarshall's assertion that Kahrs ride entirely on polymer rails, it's one man's opinion. One is completely wrong and the other is mere opinion but both are a waste of time.


I don't know how many times Ive heard people say that about the slide riding on polymer rails. Maybe if they actually took the time to look at the weapon or research they would know it's not true.

[Bawanna]

Many of our firearms instructors are totally obsessed with trigger reset.

Our last transition we went from Beretta 96's and they considered S&W M&P's (my choice), Springfield XD's (the instructors choice) and Glocks (the brasses choice). Instructors didn't like the M&P's because the reset wasn't as pronounced.

At the time the Glock was the best choice due to all the other stuff needed, holsters and such. We went 45's and even with the Glock it took forever to get holsters.

County went with M&P's and somehow got holsters but that was a year or two later. They love them.

I maintain when the shooting starts, trigger reset is going right out the window along with most everything else people are obsessed about.

[GA_Sheepdog]

I maintain when the shooting starts, trigger reset is going right out the window along with most everything else people are obsessed about.


I totally feel the same way. Trigger slack and reset are great for training and target practicing. I've never been in a situation where I had to fire my duty weapon and I hope I never have to but trigger reset is going to be the last thing I worry about.

[TheTman]

He certainly has a high opinion of himself. And the thousands of people that rely on his reviews before purchasing a gun. Which I call Bullsh!t on.
If you were holding a suspect at bay, the difference in trigger pull is not going to make that much difference. I don't want to hold the trigger at the breakpoint. I want the trigger as far forward as it can go. I think his youtube name Humans 4 Targets is stupid too. Sounds like just another Glock Fanboy to me.

[thefirearmguy]

I happen to know this guy personally and he knows firearms very well. Since this video, he has come to like Kahr and recently picked up a CW380. The whole Kahr trigger discussion will change very soon as the Kahr gen2 guns hit the market. The trigger on the gen 2 is shorter and crisp.
As for guys on youtube, I have to say that making videos is hard work. We don't get everything right and certainly make our share of mistakes. That is why people like to watch. Youtubers usually give their unbiased and unpolished remarks. I try to learn all I can about a product before putting it on the web. It takes time, energy and sometimes hours of study. Trust me, it is much easier to spend 20 seconds to write a comment on a forum like this than to study, take camera shots, edit then upload the video.

[Bawanna]

The important thing to remember is that all these Youtube things are just one persons opinion. Everybody has one weather it's right or wrong is up for debate.

Some do it very well such as Hickok. He does it without putting on airs or suggesting that he knows everything. I like his style.

I don't watch many of these videos except ones I'm linked too. I enjoy Hickok, just cause of his style. I doubt my decision to buy a particular gun would be influenced much by any of them, even Hickok.

I have more faith and put more creedence in GB Gregs opinion than any of those guys.

I'm come to realize too that some folks can commit a lifetime to studying a particular subject and still not know anything.
Kind of a weird phenomenon I guess. See if often though.

[marcinstl]

H4T2 is an idiot. he's standing there with a gun on a bad guy that's 10 feet away with a knife or gun in his hand and H4T2 is worrying about the trigger? WTF!? shot the bad guy! your way past the conversation stage. if the bad guy has given up and dropped the weapon and your just standing there waiting for the cops, finger is back on the frame.
the Kahr is just another one of those 1/2ass(hmmm, maybe 3/4) gun designs, where the designer was trying to give the customer a lightweight, easy to operate, safe pistol that kind of works and feels like a revolver and holds more ammo. in every desing there are a number of comprimises: the Kahr is not full DA, nor is the trigger "Glocky". the Kahr holds more than J-frame but not enough for a serious urban battle (I carry 2 of them). if H4T2 want's a trigger with a wall before the break, he should be looking at a Glock, Walther PPQ, or any of the fine(heavy) XD products. you know anybody can hang a video on youtube and can say they are an expert. (most are just loudmouthguy).

[berettabone]

Before you call someone an idiot.............punctuation, spelling and capitalization go along way towards your credibility..............just sayin...................

[knkali]

I totally feel the same way. Trigger slack and reset are great for training and target practicing. I've never been in a situation where I had to fire my duty weapon and I hope I never have to but trigger reset is going to be the last thing I worry about.

+1000 yeah (my opinion only) under stress you aint gonna notice a reset. You are gonna squeeze and that's about it. Seems this reviewer guy wants a trigger that loads up. Why? In all fairness, the reviewer did say clearly that this review is only his opinion and take it for WIW. In my opinion, its worth jack sheet.

[ltxi]

Dude's obviously never fired a good, if any, revolver.

[GA_Sheepdog]

I do find it kinda funny how he supposedly now owns a CW380. I guess he went to his LGS and didn't do any research and picked a gun just because "It looked cool". Hahahaha

[z8894]

I have a Kahr and a Glock (plus others). I like both. I think he isn't used to the dual action trigger concept. With your finger on the trigger of a Glock and having taken up the slack, it's about like a single action 1911. The slightest pull and it will go bang. He shows trying to stage the trigger of a Kahr. My Kahr trigger breaks very predictably but I wouldn't want to try and stage it for something I'm not ready to shoot. In the situations he's talking about there would maybe tenths of a second difference between holding a Glock trigger with the slack out or just pulling through with the Kahr trigger. Either way will work but I feel with the Kahr trigger it will be less likely for me to ever have say "Oops I didn't mean to do that". I like the Glock trigger too, once I got used to it. He will use what works best for him and I'll do the same for me.

[marcinstl]

Before you call someone an idiot.............punctuation, spelling and capitalization go along way towards your credibility..............just sayin...................

ya, ok, der, cheesehead, hehehehehe, you in the English dept.? anybody standing there looking at an attacker with a weapon in hand and pondering the trigger is an idiot, good or bad grammar. jus shoot the sob!

[marcinstl]

Dude's obviously never fired a good, if any, revolver.

ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. thank you.

[muggsy]

Before you call someone an idiot.............punctuation, spelling and capitalization go along way towards your credibility..............just sayin...................

Tell that to Jocko. I dare ya. :)

[Armybrat]

Speaking of Jocko..... ??????

[berettabone]

Tell that to Jocko. I dare ya. :)

There is a difference when you do it on purpose...........others seem to just make ignorant comments:o

[downtownv]

I like Hickok45 also, he appears to enjoy every gun he holds, and is an excellent shot.
I noticed that too, makes me think he's a paid endorser.....

[marcinstl]

Speaking of Jocko..... ??????

yeah, where is Jocko? is that the same Jocko that used to post on KTOG?

[downtownv]

yeah, where is Jocko? is that the same Jocko that used to post on KTOG?

Jocko is nakie sunbathing in florida he said Naples but I think that's code for Key West where a lot of young boys are sunning nekked!

[Bawanna]

I noticed that too, makes me think he's a paid endorser.....

I don't get the feeling at all watching Hickok. Gunblast, I get that feeling without fail. The braided beard is kind of cool but no faith in the review.

[Gene Hackman]

That breaking point on the glock nearly disappears when the gun has been in freezing temperatures for awhile. Yes I did some experimenting.