New CM9 / kahr owner

[MR 45 ACP]

Hi all I am new to the kahr pistol I just got a new CM9. I have zero function problems so far I have shot 150 rds of fmj and PDX1 ammo. Very happy with function but the quality is not what I expected it to be very disappointed. The frame is ugly on the inside looks like a chain saw was used to tune it up the barrel plating is pealing/flaking off.
I don't under stand this lack of detail never seen this have owned plenty of glocks and ruger poly framed guns never seen this.
What is the plating for? Can I polish it off or is it there for a reason?

[DaleCM9]

Hello,

I'm a fairly recent CM9 owner also, a few over 400 rnds and no problems. Mine looks ok inside, nothing rough or chewed up. I'm totally puzzed by the plating on the barrel issue you mention. I don't think mine has plating on the barrel. I think the barrel is stainless as is the slide.

[berettabone]

Hi all I am new to the kahr pistol I just got a new CM9. I have zero function problems so far I have shot 150 rds of fmj and PDX1 ammo. Very happy with function but the quality is not what I expected it to be very disappointed. The frame is ugly on the inside looks like a chain saw was used to tune it up the barrel plating is pealing/flaking off.
I don't under stand this lack of detail never seen this have owned plenty of glocks and ruger poly framed guns never seen this.
What is the plating for? Can I polish it off or is it there for a reason?


I'd take a breath and start over.............................................. ...................:rolleyes:

[RRP]

You're not the first to report flaking plating. Kahr has replaced the defective barrels, at no charge. Send them an email, with pics. Be polite. Be courteous. You'll get a positive response.

[MR 45 ACP]

What is the plating for? Can I just remove it? The frame was rough before I fired it. I don't understand why, looks like slide would not fit and they sanded it down with course grit sandpaper.
I like the gun and would like to keep it. I would like to take it to kahr and do a little show and tell in person just to hear the explanation.

[RRP]

I have zero function problems so far...



I would like to take it to kahr and do a little show and tell in person just to hear the explanation.

The gun has never malfunctioned. However, the cosmetics are not up to your usual expectations. You've been told that Kahr has replace barrels, at no cost. Yet, it doesn't seem like you'll be satisfied until you give them a piece of your mind.

Good luck with that. Let us know how it goes.

[marshal kane]

IME with my own handguns and they have all been quality handguns, the manufacturers always finish the external surfaces nicely but may not finish the internal surfaces the same way. It passes QC if the internal surfaces do not interfere with functionality. If you expected the same finish on the internals and externals, you would have paid a higher price for the same gun. You do have a legitimate complaint about the material on your barrel flaking. I would definitely contact Kahr about that.

[b4uqzme]

It's pretty easy to misalign the slide while removing or re-installing. That could chew the frame up pretty good. Maybe that happened to our OP...possibly even before he purchased it. I suspect the frames come out of the factory fairly clean and the ugly stuff happens later. Regardless, I hope OP puts on his "nice" hat and reviews his concerns with Kahr. They should do him right.

[b4uqzme]

Kahr barrels are nickel plated. If you are talking about a few scuff marks on the hood, those are typical and I'd just polish them out.

[MR 45 ACP]

I have done a lot of reading on this forum since I made this post. I have worked on my magazines to correct the problems with them. I can now cycle rounds by hand. polished feed ramp also. I am keeping the gun for now. I still would like to know why so many of you put up with the use the slide stop to chamber a round? This is a problem with engineering of this firearm and Kahr has put a band-aid on it by telling you to use the slide stop. I don't know of any other firearm company that has done this. This gun was intended to be a self defense firearm. With that in mind if you have a FTF or FTE you can not tap rack to clear it. this fact makes this unmodified gun useless for self defense.

[deadeye]

Odd. Mine is 2 1/2 years old with close to 3000 rounds through it and it still looks new inside and out. Never had any problems hand racking it after the break in period.

[b4uqzme]

sell it!

[MR 45 ACP]

sell it!

I may do that just to please you.

[MR 45 ACP]

You must have a good one. Other than plating coming off barrel I have fixed my hand racking problem with the mag follower fix. The follower does not support the case and keep it at the proper angle. My problem is why Kahr does not fix this mag problem? I sent them an e mail with no reply.

[nickbales]

I don't understand the hate for Kahr based on the slide release because I haven't heard of anyone that it happens to after break in(unless there is user error of course). I was annoyed by it in break in but I expected it because I had already researched the gun and knew the first 200 rds would be that way. If people say the gun is not ready to carry out of the box I say "and....". You should not even consider carrying a gun before putting a minimum of 200 through it plus a box of your carry ammo. These are minimums! Every manufacture has flaws from time to time and you need to put some rounds through it to get to know the gun and build confidence that there are not going to be reliability issues.

OP the nickel plating adds some lubricity which some say should not be removed while others say it makes no difference. I lean towards do what you want and the gun will function exactly the same in my experience.

Rough polymer.... pics.

[CPTKILLER]

Wow.

[OvalNut]

I literally just registered as a member on this forum so that I could reply to this thread.

Last week I bought a brand new PM9 with the external safety and enhanced trigger (PM9193). I field stripped and cleaned/lubed it, then shot 125 rounds of 124 grain FMJ through it. Then, cleaned/lubed it, and shot another 125 rounds of 124 grain FMJ through it. 1 round FTE'd on me. It was about the 80th round and I was getting lazy/sloppy/tired, so I won't blame it on the gun. That's it. It otherwise ran like a sewing machine, and I will next run about 100 round$ of expensive hollow points though it. I fully expect it will eat them like a fat kid going through a pizza. Then, I will use it to help ensure the safety of my family and myself.

I have taken this gun apart multiple times, and the only thing I noticed was some, frankly expected, polymer peeling around the steel rail lugs in the frame during the first cleaning. No worries as it is just the usual injection mold trimmings one would expect. This is a VERY well made firearm. It shoots way more accurate than I can make it perform.

My point is this ... My experience does not at all correlate to that of the OP.


Tim

[RonW]

Wow.


Took the word right out of my mouth.

I just put 300 rounds thru my new CW40 and have zero issues with it. Then of course I also have the understanding that all defensive firearms must go thru a break in period, to think otherwise is being very naive.

[skiflydive]

I have done a lot of reading on this forum since I made this post. I have worked on my magazines to correct the problems with them. I can now cycle rounds by hand. polished feed ramp also. I am keeping the gun for now. I still would like to know why so many of you put up with the use the slide stop to chamber a round? This is a problem with engineering of this firearm and Kahr has put a band-aid on it by telling you to use the slide stop. I don't know of any other firearm company that has done this. This gun was intended to be a self defense firearm. With that in mind if you have a FTF or FTE you can not tap rack to clear it. this fact makes this unmodified gun useless for self defense.

Every Kahr newbie, me included when I was, comes on here with a lot of bravado, BS, engineering opinions, opinions about quality control, and decades of experience with every other gun manufacturer on the planet. First of all, you must not have in all your reading seen the posts about how easy these become to rack once they're broken in. I can rack mine all day every day. You will be able to also. Tap rack is no problem...once the gun is broken in. When the mag empties, the slide locks back anyway. How are you going to rack a locked back slide? Second, the reason (IMO) Kahr wants you to use the slide stop to chamber a round is that in their youth these guns can be/are difficult to rack. Using the slide stop assures that even your average 98 lb weakling can chamber a round. Third, who the heck cares what the inside of the slide looks like as long as it works. Have you any experience machining stainless? I do. Stainless is extremely difficult/impossible to get a good finish on using using cutting tools, even carbide cutting tools using high speed (RPM) machining techniques. Every final finishing on stainless I've been involved with requires grinding. Maybe you could tell me how you would go about grinding the internals of that slide. Even if you could, the time and equipment involved would drive the cost through the roof. You didn't buy this gun to impress yourself with the artisanship of the inside of the slide. You bought it to go bang. Fourth, as to your suggestion that you show up at Kahr and give them a demo, they don't allow people to show up with guns. They have to be shipped in appropriately. That info is on their web site. As to the nickel plating on the barrel...I got nuttin. I truly hope you grow to love your CM-9 as much as I do mine. It runs flawlessly, is easy to rack, and the bad guy isn't going to stop to ask me if he can see the inside of the slide.

[berettabone]

:popcorn:

[RonW]

My near future purchases are going to involve a CM-9, CW380 & possibly a S&W J frame.... I think every gun owner should own at least 1 S&W J frame revolver :Amflag2:

[muggsy]

Kahr barrels are nickle plated to prevent galling. Kahr arms believe's that it's worth doing and I support Kahr in that belief. Some owners have polished and removed the nickel plating thinking that they have improved the guns performance. In actuality all that they done is alter the gun cosmetically. No one ever sees the barrel of a concealed carry pistol, but to each his own. Additionally, the nickel plating holds lubricant better than polished stainless steel. It's your gun and you are free to do with it as you wish. If you asked my opinion I'd tell you to leave the barrel the fokk alone. The people who designed and manufactured the gun know one hell of a lot more about it than you do.

[marcinstl]

http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/pistols/falcon-series/falcon-commander/falcon-commander.html?___SID=U
and!(get ready for this), it's got a great trigger. have fun.