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naa10104
02-27-2015, 03:05 PM
Hello,

Looking for advice on my P-9 Issues before I get rid of the gun ... this is a long story, sorry. I have a P9 I bought new app. 12 years ago, not heavily used app. 1500 rounds thru it. Few years ago started having malfunctions, usually fail to extract type jams,(new cartridge trying to chamber and spent catridge flat on top of new cartridge in ejection port of slide. Called Kahr, they recommended new recoil spring which I bought ... installed ... no change. I then shipped to kahr at a cost of $70. They polished the feed ramp and installed new metal mag release. Took the gun to the range no improvement. Shipped it back at their cost this time. Kahr replaced the slide, barrel, recoil spring tube, and reworked the slide... whatever that means.

Took it to the range today after recleaning and lubing per Kahr instrucitons. Now the gun has a whole new set of malfunctions. I called Kahr, they were less than helpful and said I could ship it back at my expense. Today I figured it might need some break in time. I started out with FMJ 115 grain and some FMJ 124 grain. I finished up with some +P 124 grain HP ammo. Here are the type of malfunctions I was experiencing : fail to chamber a new round, fail to reset/cock the trigger, light strikes on the primer where round did not fire ... very light dimple. Near the end of the shooting the slide was hanging up at the far rearward travel just for a split second ... long enough to cause cycling issues. The lite striker issue seemed to go away the more I shot, but all of the rest of the issues remained. At one point I disassembled the gun looking for any obvious issues and applied some more lubricant to the slide where the frame rails ride. Also noticed that the new barrel is almost impossible to get out of the slide ... I was able to remove it at the range but at home it will not come out. The back of the chamber hits the extractor, not enough clearance to remove the barrel, did not have this problem before.

I really like carrying this gun but it is worse than before and totally unreliable. I have read that Kahr's do have many reliability issues so I am in need of advice otherwise I am going to have to purchase another type of handgun. I should say that I have two other handguns ... a Ruger LCP and a Glock Model 19 ... never a problem with either one. Thanks in advance for any advice.

sas PM9
02-28-2015, 09:49 AM
n:

I would think that a copy of this post in an e-mail to Kahr customer service would get a reconsideration from them for a RMA shipping tag so they could have another go at getting it right.

-steve

smokersteve
02-28-2015, 11:07 AM
Send it back to Kahr at their expense or sell it and get something that will be reliable

marshal kane
03-01-2015, 08:21 AM
Maybe a letter to someone higher up in the chain of command? Like Justin Moon?

naa10104
03-01-2015, 08:28 AM
Thanks for the input ... I did script a detailed email to Kahr today. Will have to see what happens.

naa10104
03-01-2015, 08:30 AM
HI,

Sent a detailed email to Kahr today to see if they will do anything else. If not I will probably part the gun out for it's good parts and get somethiong else. I don't want to pass this gun onto anyone else with its problems. The slide, barrel, recoil spring and tube are practically brand new. Thanks for the suggestions.

naa10104
03-01-2015, 08:31 AM
Thanks for your reply ... may have to do that.

naa10104
03-02-2015, 06:47 PM
Kahr did respond and said they would pay for shipping and look at the gun again. I told them I wanted to get it to the range one more time to see if it improves. I gave it a very complete cleaning and lubing per Kahr instructions. Also have been manually racking it to help break the gun and recoil spring in. Also have left the slide locked back for a couple of days to further help break the spring in. Hopefully this will all help. I put app. 175 rounds thru it and want to put another 100 thru to see if that makes any difference. Thanks again.

naa10104
03-21-2015, 11:22 AM
Hello,

Went back to the range, made no difference. Sent it back to Kahr, got it back. They reworked the fit between the barrel and slide at maximun rearward travel and put 29 rounds thru it with no malfunctions. I took it to the range today and put 115 gn FB range ammo, 124 gn FB, 1120 fps, and 5 rounds of 124 JHP +P 1200 fps thru it with no issues concerning slide operation or malfunctions I was having before. Slide feels much smoother, no drag or binding. Only issue I had was one light/non strike on the primer of one of the 115 gn, imported range ammo. I had this happen last time with the same ammo 2 or 3 times. I have never done a complete cleaning disassembly of the slide to include extractor/firing pin. Will do so today, don't know if Kahr ever did this. Any advice on the light strike no strike would be of interest. I have had ammo FTF before with a light strike on other guns over the years, but usually there is more of an indentation on the primer ... probably was the primer not the gun. Also interested on any recommendations as to lubing the firing pin and area it sits in. Thanks

sas PM9
03-21-2015, 12:34 PM
N:

If you haven't already done so, get some non-chlorinated brake cleaner spray and take the slide off your P9. Go outside put on your goggles and put the nozzle tube of the spray can in the little hole on the underside of the slide and give it a couple of good sprays. Also spray some inside the firing pin hole to help reverse flush that end too.

The consensus of the forum is NO lube in the striker channel. Clean and dry is preferred.

HTH.

-steve

naa10104
03-21-2015, 02:51 PM
N:

If you haven't already done so, get some non-chlorinated brake cleaner spray and take the slide off your P9. Go outside put on your goggles and put the nozzle tube of the spray can in the little hole on the underside of the slide and give it a couple of good sprays. Also spray some inside the firing pin hole to help reverse flush that end too.

The consensus of the forum is NO lube in the striker channel. Clean and dry is preferred.

HTH.

-steve

Thanks for the info. Gave the P9 a good cleaning today. Wanted to attach a couple of photos of the inside of the slide, muzzle end where they used a Dremel tool and honed out some metal. This was the trick ! For anyone else having a similar issue. Thanks again.
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naa10104
03-22-2015, 08:33 AM
Wanted to update you on what Kahr actually did to the P9 to make it work. Tried to post photos but was unable to. I went ahead and completely disassembled the slide, firing pin, extractor etc. Not to bad ...gave it a good cleaning. On the inside of the slide app. .5 of an inch from the muzzle end, top side. Kahr used a Dremel tool or similar and honed out two elliptical shaped areas to provide more clearance for the barrel and less binding. This made the difference as the gun appears to be working perfectly. Still curious about the nonstrike on that one round but other than that worked fine with all ammo, even the +P. Wonder if the rould I fired before the FTF was underpowered and did not reset the trigger ? Thanks

ripley16
03-22-2015, 08:53 AM
Sounds like the gun works fine and you had a hard primer in the one case. It happens. Glad you have it working. I've read the whole thread and can't help but wonder why a perfectly good gun went bad? What was the cause? Certainly nothing wore out after only 1500 rounds. A real mystery.

b4uqzme
03-22-2015, 09:04 AM
n,

I just gotta commend you for sticking with it and I'm glad you were rewarded with a fully functioning pistol. Good things really do come to good people.

Best,